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hlthe2b

(113,872 posts)
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 05:00 PM Apr 2024

**Donald Trump's Hopes of Black Support Stung by New Poll** (Pew Research Center)

A new poll has suggested Donald Trump will not garner significant support from Black voters in November's presidential election.--snip--

Ahead of this vote, some reports and polls have suggested there has been racial realignment, with Black voters, who traditionally support the Democratic Party opting to vote for the Republicans instead.

But new research from Pew Research Center suggests otherwise. A survey shows 83 percent of Black voters favor the Democratic Party, a three percent decline from 1994 when 86 percent aligned in this way.

On the other hand, 12 percent support the Republican Party. This marks a one percent decline from 1994 when 13 percent supported the party.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trump-s-hopes-of-black-support-stung-by-new-poll/ar-BB1locSO?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LSJS&cvid=085a5951b44b412caa55908c60a93c40&ei=76

Guess the condescending "gold sneaker campaign" and attempts to garner the "mug shot sympathy vote" aren't working...

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**Donald Trump's Hopes of Black Support Stung by New Poll** (Pew Research Center) (Original Post) hlthe2b Apr 2024 OP
Makes me think of JC Watts father's comment on blacks and Republicans rurallib Apr 2024 #1
What I think happened to J.C. Jr. BaronChocula Apr 2024 #12
Direct link to the Pew site: Fiendish Thingy Apr 2024 #2
And yet..................... Lovie777 Apr 2024 #3
Umm. rurallib's comment was about JC Watt's FATHER. n/t hlthe2b Apr 2024 #5
There are stupid whites too. Probably a lot more than blacks. LiberalFighter Apr 2024 #17
This is not a surprise. yardwork Apr 2024 #4
Women, People of Color, LGBTQ people, Muslims and Jews... Jrose Apr 2024 #6
--------- whathehell Apr 2024 #25
I see your point. I've changed this post to focus on the religious groups Jrose Apr 2024 #32
Ya think? shrike3 Apr 2024 #7
It's wishful thinking on the media's part. Sky Jewels Apr 2024 #9
They're desperate for a horse race. calimary Apr 2024 #16
Maybe the media should report more on the good Republicans do? LiberalFighter Apr 2024 #18
"Maybe the media should report more on the good Republicans do?" markodochartaigh Apr 2024 #21
Black people don't like the fucking Orange Wet Bag of Boiled Owl Shit. SoFlaBro Apr 2024 #8
Didn't he kill one of the only people of color who endorsed him? twodogsbarking Apr 2024 #10
Actually, that idiot killed himself with his own stupidity, but dementia j. niyad Apr 2024 #13
And then there is the late Ben Carson. twodogsbarking Apr 2024 #14
.ummmm, idiot carson is not deceased. .well, the body anyway. . niyad Apr 2024 #15
You are confusing him with Herman Cain (dead of COVID-19 after attending a Trump rally) hlthe2b Apr 2024 #19
Herm is the one. My bad. twodogsbarking Apr 2024 #22
Herman Cain (died of COVID-19 after attending a very ill-advised Trump rally early on) hlthe2b Apr 2024 #20
I screwed up. Sorry. twodogsbarking Apr 2024 #23
I wish they had buried him in "Ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan." Aristus Apr 2024 #24
If he hadn't already reproduced, he would have been a top contender for the Darwin award 0rganism Apr 2024 #28
But, I guess TSF is retaining the psycho vote. Mr. Evil Apr 2024 #11
Black people have student debt too underpants Apr 2024 #26
Why Would Blacks Vote for Traitor to the USA, Rapist, Lying Full of SHit Asshole? Cha Apr 2024 #27
1994 is a weird year to compare - so, let's compare to 2020. All Mixed Up Apr 2024 #29
And after everything that Trump did Qutzupalotl Apr 2024 #30
but his people put out those AI generated shots of him with black people? Wasn't that enough? Takket Apr 2024 #31
Black peoples know a crooked Racist Con malaise Apr 2024 #33
The GOP thinks black people are stupid Johnny2X2X Apr 2024 #34
Post removed by poster BComplex Apr 2024 #35

rurallib

(64,685 posts)
1. Makes me think of JC Watts father's comment on blacks and Republicans
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 05:08 PM
Apr 2024

Mar 1, 1999 — A black man voting for the Republicans makes about as much sense as a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders.” –J.C. Watts Sr., the father of ..

BaronChocula

(4,534 posts)
12. What I think happened to J.C. Jr.
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 06:22 PM
Apr 2024

He was so smitten by the admiration of all those white nationalist Sooner boosters at Oklahoma that he drank their Kool-Aid.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,132 posts)
2. Direct link to the Pew site:
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 05:12 PM
Apr 2024
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/04/09/partisan-coalitions-methodology/

An impressive sample size of 10,000 respondents, including 1200 Black respondents (MOE +/- 3.9% - pretty good for a polling subgroup)

yardwork

(69,352 posts)
4. This is not a surprise.
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 05:14 PM
Apr 2024

Btw, I think the news source inaccurately quoted Pew on the percent of decline.

Jrose

(1,531 posts)
6. Women, People of Color, LGBTQ people, Muslims and Jews...
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 05:24 PM
Apr 2024

Last edited Thu Apr 11, 2024, 07:39 AM - Edit history (1)

...and the many millions of Americans who want to keep our democracy strong...will join forces and reelect Biden!

whathehell

(30,460 posts)
25. ---------
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 08:05 PM
Apr 2024

Correction: Not "non- Christians" -- non- Right Wing Christians. Mainstream Christianity is still the predominate religion in this country, and it includes many, if not most, of the groups you've listed. That said, it might be best to stop conflating the two.









Jrose

(1,531 posts)
32. I see your point. I've changed this post to focus on the religious groups
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 07:42 AM
Apr 2024

that are the most attacked and alienated by maga-publicans.

 

shrike3

(5,370 posts)
7. Ya think?
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 05:49 PM
Apr 2024

It seems like every election cycle I hear this -- blacks voters are turning Republican -- and it never happens. Sheesh. Media and GOP never learn.

 

Sky Jewels

(9,148 posts)
9. It's wishful thinking on the media's part.
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 06:19 PM
Apr 2024

They love them some “Bad News for Dems!” narratives.

calimary

(89,951 posts)
16. They're desperate for a horse race.
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 07:10 PM
Apr 2024

Dear God are they dealt for a horse race! They think it’s good for ratings. For me, it’s only good for an Alka Seltzer.

markodochartaigh

(5,536 posts)
21. "Maybe the media should report more on the good Republicans do?"
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 07:28 PM
Apr 2024

Do stations even still have static?

niyad

(132,271 posts)
13. Actually, that idiot killed himself with his own stupidity, but dementia j.
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 06:37 PM
Apr 2024

cockroach (KO's latest name for TRAITOR**) certainly helped.

niyad

(132,271 posts)
15. .ummmm, idiot carson is not deceased. .well, the body anyway. .
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 06:46 PM
Apr 2024

the mind went lonnnnnnnng ago!

hlthe2b

(113,872 posts)
19. You are confusing him with Herman Cain (dead of COVID-19 after attending a Trump rally)
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 07:26 PM
Apr 2024

Ben Carson is alive.

Aristus

(72,135 posts)
24. I wish they had buried him in "Ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan."
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 07:53 PM
Apr 2024

Wherever that is...

A pizza parlor guy who openly mocks the importance of global diplomacy has no business being anywhere near the White House.

Fortunately, he took himself out of the running, thereby doing global diplomacy, and the globe itself, a huge favor.

0rganism

(25,632 posts)
28. If he hadn't already reproduced, he would have been a top contender for the Darwin award
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 08:48 PM
Apr 2024

His destiny walked the wide line between epic Greek tragedy and pathetic ass-kissing irony.

Cha

(318,900 posts)
27. Why Would Blacks Vote for Traitor to the USA, Rapist, Lying Full of SHit Asshole?
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 08:24 PM
Apr 2024

Thanks!

 

All Mixed Up

(597 posts)
29. 1994 is a weird year to compare - so, let's compare to 2020.
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 09:52 PM
Apr 2024

1. Democrats took a hit in 1994 after having the presidency for two-years (and would get hammered in November's midterms that year).

2. At least since 2000, Democrats have historically had a larger advantage among Black voters than they did in the 1990s. In 1992, Clinton won 83% of the Black vote. In 2020, Biden won 87%. So, he saw a four-point increase in his totals. In 1996, Clinton won 84% of Blacks - so, still less than what Biden saw in 2020.

Knowing all that, let's take a look at the 2020 survey.

So, Republicans held a 53-42 edge among white voters in 2020. Now? 56-41.

That's not good.

Democrats have lost one-point and Republicans have improved by three-points. That's a four-point swing.

Of course, this is a poll and not actual voters. In 2020, though, Biden won 41% of white voters and Trump 58%.

So, Biden is hitting about the number his total was in 2020's actual votes, while Trump is doing two-points worse than he did in 2020.

Except the polling (done in July, 2020 instead of April) was off from the actual 2020 numbers. Trump did much better (+17) in actual votes than he did in the 2020 Pew poll (margin +11).

Among Black voters, the poll in 2020 had Democrats winning 83% and Republicans 10%.

Now? It's 83 to 12.

So, Republicans have actually seen a two-point increase here.

How does that compare to the 2020 race?

Well I already pointed out that Biden won 87% of Black voters - and Trump won 12%.

Biden did better (+75) in actual votes than he did in the 2020 Pew poll (margin +71).

With Hispanics, the poll in 2020 had Democrats winning 63% of and Republicans 29%.

Now? 61% to 35%.

Republicans have made gains here. Democrats lost two-points off their 2020 total and Republicans increased their total by six. That's a swing of eight-points. That's significant. That's the biggest difference of any of the demographics.

BUT in 2020, Biden won 65% of the Hispanic vote - Trump 32%.

So, Biden did worse (+33) in actual votes than he did in the 2020 Pew poll (+34) - but barely. It was only one-point off in the margins.

What does this mean? Democrats have lost support across the board. But it also could just be MOE fluctuation.

With that said, as close as 2020 was, if these losses hold, Biden is going to have a difficult time winning in November.

To summarize:

Democrats are doing four-points worse among white voters than in the 2020 poll.

Democrats are doing two-points worse among Black voters than in the 2020 poll.

Democrats are doing eight-points worse among Hispanic voters than in the 2020 poll.

Which I think probably balances out to the actual lead they see in the party identification overall (+1).

+1 ain't going to get it done.

If Biden wins the popular vote by one, he's likely losing reelection.

My final takeaway: these numbers don't show a dramatic shift but a shift nonetheless and that shift is very problematic unless it's corrected between now and November.


Qutzupalotl

(15,815 posts)
30. And after everything that Trump did
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 10:26 PM
Apr 2024

to create fake AI-generated images of black people standing behind him.

Takket

(23,705 posts)
31. but his people put out those AI generated shots of him with black people? Wasn't that enough?
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 10:28 PM
Apr 2024

What more to black people want??? Substance???????????????

malaise

(295,894 posts)
33. Black peoples know a crooked Racist Con
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 07:47 AM
Apr 2024

when they see one. Only the lowest of the low African Americans will give him any time of day

Johnny2X2X

(24,179 posts)
34. The GOP thinks black people are stupid
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 08:05 AM
Apr 2024

When he pardoned a few well known black people before the 2020 election, he thought that would be enough. People aren't stupid, they see how he villifies them constantly when talking about "inner cities". People know the code words Republicans use for them.

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