Why the ugly Republican lie about Dems and infanticide matters

[LetMyPeopleVote]

The problem isn’t just that Republicans are lying about Democrats and infanticide. It's also the fact that they feel like they need to lie.

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https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/ugly-republican-lie-dems-infanticide-matters-rcna147195

Making matters worse, of course, is the fact that Trump’s line is being echoed by his partisan allies. The New Republic noted yesterday, for example:

North Carolina Representative Greg Murphy continued Tuesday to weave the yarn on Fox Business, telling host Maria Bartiromo that Democrats want to kill kids when they’re “coming out of the birth canal.”

The GOP congressman specifically said on the air, “[Abortion is] going to be a big issue every time, because you have folks really on both sides, really probably more Democrat, that want abortion literally when the child is coming out of the birth canal, always to force the issue.”

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......But there’s a larger context to all of this. Republicans like Trump and Murphy seriously expect voters to believe that there are women, medical professionals, and Democratic policymakers who “want abortion literally when the child is coming out of the birth canal.” That’s insane. There are no such people.

This, in turn, helps set the stage for a debate over the future of reproductive rights in the United States, with the presumptive GOP nominee and his cohorts apparently convinced they need to peddle outrageous falsehoods, not just to smear their opponents, but also to distract from the fact that most Americans simply don’t agree with the Republican Party’s regressive position.

The problem, in other words, isn’t just that guys like Trump and Murphy are lying. The problem is made worse by the fact that they feel like they need to lie in order to prevent more election defeats.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

1. This is a RWNJ talking point that does not happen in the real world

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[mopinko]

2. sounds like a good thing to me.

[rampartc]

3. they began by condemning roe vs wade

as some libertine act of the rat pack generation, but roe vs wade was decided on what were the libertarian leanings of the wing nits of the age.

they have gotten a lot of mileage on this "blood libel" over the years. and it ain't the only hysteria that they periodically unroll. the pedophiles. the we hate israel. we hate america. we hate christians ........

[MadameButterfly]

4. We shouldn't underestimate the importance of attacking these falsehoods

They are accusing Dems of murder because to make the real harm of their abortion policies seem justified.

When John Kerry was falsely accused of war crimes, cowardice, and lying about his Swift Boat heroism, he was advised not to give it attention because it was so ridiculous. Then it got legs. By the time he spoke out it was too late. His biggest strength had become his biggest weakness. I spoke with a Democratic friend of mine last week who STILL thought Kerry had lied about his Swift Boat service.

Now "Swift Boating" is by definition going after a politicians' greatest strength and making it a liability.
The Republicans are Swift Boating us on abortion. The infanticide piece is becoming a talking point. We've got to put an end to it NOW. These claims are worthy of a major media campaign if not libel suits.

[HUAJIAO]

7. EXACTLY !!!! Why aren't Dems all over this?

That's the problem, "They don't fight back soon or hard enough!! Enough with the academic arguments against repukes. Just come out and call them liars!!!!!!!

[MadameButterfly]

9. Accusing Dems of killing babies (real babies, born ones) is so ridiculous

that it's allowed to slip by in interviews. Or the interviewer is friendly, as on Fox.

Yet there are thousands (millions?) of people buying it. Once people believe it they aren't apt to change their minds.

The funny thing (if any of this were funny) is that if the baby has been born it's not an abortion. It's just plain murder. Anti-abortion laws would not protect babies from being murdered after birth, if such things were going on. There are another set of laws for that. These are unrelated subjects.

But they have to say it because they know there aren't enough people against actual abortion.

Then there's the whole issue of late term abortions which also isn't happening unless the fetus isn't viable and the health of the mother is at risk.

When there are too many lies, it's hard to get to all of them. Like dealing with Trump.

[Blue Owl]

5. I've wanted to punch Dump's face ever since he said "they wrap the baby beautifully..."

What kind of sick twisted fuck makes shit up like that?

[Wounded Bear]

6. They need to lie because they know they'll lose on the truth...

and not just on abortion. They're wrong on damn near everything. That's why trump is their hero. He knows he can't win at anything without cheating. That's been his truth his entire life.

[Demsrule86]

8. They tried that in Ohio...blanketed the airwaves and sent litrature too...it didn't work.

The referendum passed.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

10. TFG again made his claim about after birth abortions

[LetMyPeopleVote]

11. 'Nobody is killing babies': Fox News host rips right-wing reporter on 'infanticide' myth

TFG's lies about late term abortions and post birth murders are false and offensive. I was amused to see Fox News push back against these lies

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https://www.rawstory.com/infanticide-fox-news/

Fox News host Howard Kurtz pushed back against National Review reporter Caroline Downey after she suggested Democrats were killing babies with their abortion policies.

During a Sunday panel discussion on Fox News, Kurtz told Downey that Democrats were using Arizona's near-total abortion ban as an example of "what you get when you leave it up to the states."

"A court can step in and revive this 1864 law where you can get up to five years in prison if you're a provider," Kurtz explained.....

"Well, the infanticide thing is a bit of a Republican talking point," Kurtz interrupted. "Nobody is killing babies that have already been born."

[Cha]

12. Creepy Crawly COCKroach Magats.

[dalton99a]

13. Kick

[LetMyPeopleVote]

14. Fact Check-Donald Trump is wrong on Democrats' abortion stance. They don't support the 'execution' of babies.

TFG's lie about Democrats wanting to kill babies after birth was fact checked and shown to be false

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https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/apr/08/donald-trump/donald-trump-explains-his-abortion-policy-with-fal/

In an April 8 video released on Truth Social, Trump tried to strike a pragmatic tone for a party that has suffered electoral setbacks over abortion, saying he was proud to have nominated three justices to the U.S. Supreme Court who decided to overturn Roe v. Wade in 2022.

Then he turned the issue back on Democrats, claiming that they were the "radical" party on abortion.

"They support abortion up to and even beyond the ninth month," Trump said. "The concept of having an abortion in the later months, and even execution after birth. And that's exactly what it is. The baby is born, the baby is executed after birth is unacceptable, and almost everyone agrees with that."

We have rated similar statements from Trump and other Republican leaders False. Democrats aren’t calling for the killing of infants after birth. Willfully ending a newborn’s life is illegal in every U.S. state.......

Our ruling
Trump claimed that Democrats support abortion measures that result in the "execution" of babies "after birth."

This is grossly inaccurate. Rather than discuss Democratic support for broad abortion access throughout pregnancy, Trump’s inflammatory rhetoric exaggerates by saying the party supports killing an unwanted infant after birth. This would be infanticide and is illegal in every state.

Situations resulting in a fetal death in the third trimester are rare, and involve emergencies such as fetal anomalies or life-threatening medical emergencies affecting the mother. Babies that are delivered are not killed.

We rate this claim False.