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OAITW r.2.0

(32,133 posts)
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 08:17 PM Apr 2024

Could you be a fair and impartial jurist in a Trump trial?

Not sure I could. It's like you'd need a complete memory wipe of the last 20 years and then hear the evidence in his cases. That ain't happening....so how will a jury get seated?

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Could you be a fair and impartial jurist in a Trump trial? (Original Post) OAITW r.2.0 Apr 2024 OP
Yes. elleng Apr 2024 #1
Absolutely I could... Ohio Joe Apr 2024 #2
Absolutely and I'm ready to do my civic duty. Deuxcents Apr 2024 #3
Anyone who passes that screen will do so covertly, or be very dumb and uninformed. bucolic_frolic Apr 2024 #4
Right up to the point where he opened his mouth Arthur_Frain Apr 2024 #5
Having to look at that putrid, traitirous, lying, orange blob of fecal matter niyad Apr 2024 #6
I don't think so. EndlessWire Apr 2024 #14
Yes. I've served on a murder trial and several years later, an attempted murder trial... hlthe2b Apr 2024 #7
Yes I could. I could seriously look at all the evidence, listen to the testimony and make a non-biased judgement. FSogol Apr 2024 #8
I hate the man, but the evidence has to be there for specific crimes. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #9
I couldn't calguy Apr 2024 #10
I could be fair and impartial. The evidence will Emile Apr 2024 #11
I'd be fine, impartial to the evidence, as long as he doesn't speak. sinkingfeeling Apr 2024 #12
Yes Johonny Apr 2024 #13
Sure! ecstatic Apr 2024 #15
Honestly, no. hay rick Apr 2024 #16
I'd rather have a Judge than a jury trial for Trump. OAITW r.2.0 Apr 2024 #24
Nightmare-- At some point a rogue judge decides trump can't get a fair trial because of all the publicity Silent Type Apr 2024 #31
based on my personal experience I agree NoRethugFriends Apr 2024 #29
No DET Apr 2024 #17
Hilarious! Thanks North Shore Chicago Apr 2024 #40
Yes. I am proud of my only jury duty so far. marble falls Apr 2024 #18
Yes. I know what a trial is. I know how to think. I support the basic enough Apr 2024 #19
No. SamKnause Apr 2024 #20
I couldn't and Bettie Apr 2024 #21
No Kennah Apr 2024 #22
I'd say yes but I'd have to avoid lie detectors that indicate "whopper" when I say it. Ping Tung Apr 2024 #23
Yes, you dont have to be neutral on Trump karynnj Apr 2024 #25
Can we use Trump as the standard of ethics, honesty, and integrity? keithbvadu2 Apr 2024 #26
Doubt it. But I might be the first juror to jump out of the box and punch a defendant. Silent Type Apr 2024 #27
Nope. tulipsandroses Apr 2024 #28
Legally, yes...there is a difference Maeve Apr 2024 #30
If I was tying a noose in the jury box CanonRay Apr 2024 #32
Sure. It is an intellectual exercise. RockRaven Apr 2024 #33
Yes I could gopiscrap Apr 2024 #34
Honestly, I could not. TSExile Apr 2024 #35
I could do it Renew Deal Apr 2024 #36
Absolutely. Ms. Toad Apr 2024 #37
Yes! imanamerican63 Apr 2024 #38
Nope. happybird Apr 2024 #39
Yes. I've been on one grand jury, and one trial jury. LuckyCharms Apr 2024 #41
Yes, without a doubt. Passages Apr 2024 #42
Of course I could. hamsterjill Apr 2024 #43
Yes Kaleva Apr 2024 #44
Nope. MorbidButterflyTat Apr 2024 #45
No problem. Kid Berwyn Apr 2024 #46
I would never get the chance. I once worked for Planned Parenthood. His attorneys would not have me. CTyankee Apr 2024 #47
It would depend on how we weighted the facts. Prairie_Seagull Apr 2024 #48

bucolic_frolic

(55,140 posts)
4. Anyone who passes that screen will do so covertly, or be very dumb and uninformed.
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 08:20 PM
Apr 2024

Don't count me as having confidence in the jury system. Every so often they get a high profile case wrong.

Arthur_Frain

(2,358 posts)
5. Right up to the point where he opened his mouth
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 08:21 PM
Apr 2024

Or tweeted his usual shit. Then, nope. Sorry, I have no patience for bullies.

niyad

(132,440 posts)
6. Having to look at that putrid, traitirous, lying, orange blob of fecal matter
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 08:21 PM
Apr 2024

every day??? It would be extremely difficult.

Interesting timing on that question, as we were duscussing the jurors in the simpson case a bit earlier today.

EndlessWire

(8,103 posts)
14. I don't think so.
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 08:37 PM
Apr 2024

Not now. I am too polarized against him. I hate what he stands for, starting to hate him like Hitler. I'd be okay until they asked me if I could be impartial.

But, if the facts lined up in his favor, well, I am not a liar. It is what it is. I am very nuanced, but it's not like I would involve space aliens in a "what if" scenario. Let them present the facts, let the defense have a go, explain the law standards to me, and that's the way it would be. I am not afraid to go against what every one else thinks. And lying is not permitted. In the end, I'd be what Alvin wants, but probably not tRump. So, they won't be calling me!

Besides, I'll be too busy searching tRump's properties for those missing classified docs. I am really pissed about those.

hlthe2b

(113,971 posts)
7. Yes. I've served on a murder trial and several years later, an attempted murder trial...
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 08:28 PM
Apr 2024

The former was conducted poorly with "evidence" based largely on innuendo, a questionable, noncredible eyewitness, no useful forensics, and a suggested motive that seemed outlandish. I went into the trial thinking "guilty" and the guy was not especially "likable" (in fact, he was just the opposite). But in deliberations, it was clear all of us WANTED to be presented with more compelling evidence to allow us to convict. But we were not. We acquitted. I google his name periodically, fearful that he might go on to kill someone else if we were indeed wrong. So, far, nothing... But it did haunt me a bit.

The second was more clear-cut and resulted in a ready conviction.

But, I know I can be fair--even when I don't want to be.

FSogol

(47,623 posts)
8. Yes I could. I could seriously look at all the evidence, listen to the testimony and make a non-biased judgement.
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 08:28 PM
Apr 2024

No lie.

Irish_Dem

(81,266 posts)
9. I hate the man, but the evidence has to be there for specific crimes.
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 08:31 PM
Apr 2024

Or I vote not guilty.

I don't care what happens to Trump, but I do care about the law,
the truth, and justice.

Trump will get caught in the end on one of his crimes.

Emile

(42,289 posts)
11. I could be fair and impartial. The evidence will
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 08:33 PM
Apr 2024

guide me to a fair and impartial verdict.

hay rick

(9,605 posts)
16. Honestly, no.
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 08:41 PM
Apr 2024

Corollary: if the jury is hung I would expect the cause would be a dishonest juror. On dealing with Trump, I do not think our legal system is capable of providing justice on behalf of the American people.

OAITW r.2.0

(32,133 posts)
24. I'd rather have a Judge than a jury trial for Trump.
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 09:31 PM
Apr 2024

For the reasons you point out.

The reality is, Trump has no jury of his peers. No one lives in this guy's world.

 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
31. Nightmare-- At some point a rogue judge decides trump can't get a fair trial because of all the publicity
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 10:57 PM
Apr 2024

That might be unprecedented, but the whole mess is unprecedented.

enough

(13,760 posts)
19. Yes. I know what a trial is. I know how to think. I support the basic
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 08:57 PM
Apr 2024

premise of our judicial system: trial by jury.

SamKnause

(14,896 posts)
20. No.
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 08:58 PM
Apr 2024

I don't trust our justice system.

I don't trust the police.

There is too much corruption and incompetence.

Kennah

(14,578 posts)
22. No
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 09:01 PM
Apr 2024

I'd love to lie to get on the jury and put him away, but I don't see how I could be impartial

Ping Tung

(4,370 posts)
23. I'd say yes but I'd have to avoid lie detectors that indicate "whopper" when I say it.
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 09:17 PM
Apr 2024

However, considering he is almost certainly guilty of felonies it wouldn't be seen as a lie.

karynnj

(60,968 posts)
25. Yes, you dont have to be neutral on Trump
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 10:13 PM
Apr 2024

You would have to state you will apply the law, as defined by the judge, to the facts presented in the trial. I WOULD have to say that I could NOT do so in Cannon's court because I am not convinced she will follow the law.

keithbvadu2

(40,915 posts)
26. Can we use Trump as the standard of ethics, honesty, and integrity?
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 10:16 PM
Apr 2024

A jury of his peers.

Then again, that's what he would want.

Maeve

(43,456 posts)
30. Legally, yes...there is a difference
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 10:40 PM
Apr 2024

Between knowing he's a slimeball and telling when the evidence is presented to prove it.
Lawyers will tell you the best story wins; I can judge between fact and fairytales.

RockRaven

(19,373 posts)
33. Sure. It is an intellectual exercise.
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 11:11 PM
Apr 2024

Evaluate the evidence presented within the parameters of the instructions.

If I can suspend disbelief for the purposes of a TV show/film/book plot, or comply with the rules of a board or card game, then I can do jury duty just fine even when it involves TFG.

Am I a perfect robot? No, of course not. But could I deliberately choose to be a cog in the machine, and serve as that cog despite whatever outside knowledge/feelings I have? Yeah, I think so.

But I'd be fucking annoyed with the universe for involving me in that mess.

TSExile

(3,363 posts)
35. Honestly, I could not.
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 11:20 PM
Apr 2024

As a sexual assault survivor, he is a gigantic trigger. So no, I honestly couldn't set aside any bias.

Renew Deal

(85,151 posts)
36. I could do it
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 11:43 PM
Apr 2024

Though I have a hard time seeing why he would have boxes of classified documents in his basement

Ms. Toad

(38,638 posts)
37. Absolutely.
Fri Apr 12, 2024, 12:11 AM
Apr 2024

During tryouts for the moot court team (mock appellate arguments), the coach assigned me to argue the anti-social net position - specifically because he knew it was opposite what I really believed. I convinced him I was actually opposed to social net programs. So he assigned me as the one person on the team who was obligated to argue both sides of whatever question we were assigned.

I've never had a problem separating personal beliefs from analysis (legal or otherwise). It gets me in trouble around here, because flaws in analytial reasoning, and failure to do basic fact-checking drive me to distraction. The expectation around here, by many, is that any challenge to analytical reasoning is treated as a political position.

imanamerican63

(16,176 posts)
38. Yes!
Fri Apr 12, 2024, 12:11 AM
Apr 2024

Because it’s Trump’s trial, I couldn’t wait to see the evidence and I would feel better knowing he was guilty from the start!

LuckyCharms

(22,648 posts)
41. Yes. I've been on one grand jury, and one trial jury.
Fri Apr 12, 2024, 06:35 AM
Apr 2024

Speaking for myself only, I just kind of blocked out anything that wasn't applicable to the actual law, and focused on the instructions that were given to me as to whether the law itself was violated or not.

Passages

(4,161 posts)
42. Yes, without a doubt.
Fri Apr 12, 2024, 08:56 AM
Apr 2024

A person can dislike someone and also be able to be objective while listening to testimony and other evidence presented at trial.

I wish I had the chance.

hamsterjill

(17,577 posts)
43. Of course I could.
Fri Apr 12, 2024, 10:43 AM
Apr 2024

That’s what sets me (and most here) apart from assholes like Trump.

We still believe in the concept of the rule of law and fair and impartial justice.

CTyankee

(68,201 posts)
47. I would never get the chance. I once worked for Planned Parenthood. His attorneys would not have me.
Fri Apr 12, 2024, 11:09 AM
Apr 2024

But I'll ask my son who is an ADA with the Brooklyn DA's office. I bet he'll get a kick out of that question!

Prairie_Seagull

(4,689 posts)
48. It would depend on how we weighted the facts.
Fri Apr 12, 2024, 12:52 PM
Apr 2024

Go to jail fact = 10
No jail time fact = 1

According to the facts presented. I would be horrible on a jury trying the sick fuck.

Everyone or nearly everyone would have some sort of opinion. I think it will be a very interesting jury selection process. I hope we get to hear jury instructions.

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