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WiVoter

(1,686 posts)
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 09:49 PM Apr 2024

WTF Is With Alex Wagner's Show Tonight?

Negative on Biden & saying that the witnesses against Trump aren’t credible (ex: Cohen). Now a poll that shows President Biden losing a “key constituency” .

Jesus FC. Why did I even tune in to MSNBC 🤬
Hope Lawrence is better. Damn

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WTF Is With Alex Wagner's Show Tonight? (Original Post) WiVoter Apr 2024 OP
To inform the public, perhaps. elleng Apr 2024 #1
Lawrence should be on in prime time. MOMFUDSKI Apr 2024 #2
He is on in primetime... appmanga Apr 2024 #11
I never watch her....Chris and Lawrence but not her or Stephanie. chillfactor Apr 2024 #3
I agree with you about her; she's completely unwatchable wackadoo wabbit Apr 2024 #13
I don't understand why the left wants MSNBC to basically be the left's version of FOX News. All Mixed Up Apr 2024 #4
+1. obnoxiousdrunk Apr 2024 #8
The key word here is "truth". Elessar Zappa Apr 2024 #18
Nothing in the OP suggests that's what happened here. All Mixed Up Apr 2024 #19
I agree with your disdain. Hard to cure stupid. triron Apr 2024 #5
And the fact is... appmanga Apr 2024 #12
I'm not sure what the real complaint is..??? mamajudi Apr 2024 #14
Biden is at jeopardy of losing reelection because of his losing support among minority voters. All Mixed Up Apr 2024 #15
"The left" doesn't want msnbc to be the Faux channel.. We Want Reality. Cha Apr 2024 #6
do you want them to report the news that comes to them, or just read a script of things you want to hear? Takket Apr 2024 #7
Their job isn't making you feel good Silent3 Apr 2024 #9
I Have No Problem With Facts WiVoter Apr 2024 #10
Polls are all over the place. We just had this one. shrike3 Apr 2024 #16
Translation: Why should a news show say something I disagree with? brooklynite Apr 2024 #17
She did that show The Circus with a couple of republicans. Emile Apr 2024 #20
I watched the replay at 9pm PST. maxsolomon Apr 2024 #21

elleng

(141,926 posts)
1. To inform the public, perhaps.
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 09:56 PM
Apr 2024

Recognizing democracy's not been so great for African Americans, notwithstanding the alternative. Charles Coleman's interesting.

appmanga

(1,531 posts)
11. He is on in primetime...
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 11:22 PM
Apr 2024

...which is described as between 8pm and 11pm.

Traditional primetime is eight to 11 o’clock at night, Monday through Friday, but Nielsen finds that more Americans tune in from 9:15pm to 9:30pm than any other period during primetime. The tail end of primetime—10:45 to 11:00pm—is when the fewest viewers use their televisions.


https://www.nielsen.com/insights/2011/what-time-is-really-primetime/

wackadoo wabbit

(1,309 posts)
13. I agree with you about her; she's completely unwatchable
Fri Apr 12, 2024, 12:04 AM
Apr 2024

I find Stephanie Ruhle to be OK, though.

 

All Mixed Up

(597 posts)
4. I don't understand why the left wants MSNBC to basically be the left's version of FOX News.
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 10:20 PM
Apr 2024

There's nothing to gain from sugarcoating the truth. FOX News spoon-feeds its viewers nothing but misinformation as it relates to reality. We don't need MSNBC to do the same.

Elessar Zappa

(16,385 posts)
18. The key word here is "truth".
Fri Apr 12, 2024, 10:56 AM
Apr 2024

There’s an objective truth and often CNN and MSNBC act like there’s two sides to an issue when, in fact, there’s not. Climate change is but one example.

 

All Mixed Up

(597 posts)
19. Nothing in the OP suggests that's what happened here.
Fri Apr 12, 2024, 11:06 AM
Apr 2024

Sounds like the OP is upset that they brought legitimate questions to the table.

1. Biden very well could be losing support among Black voters. It doesn't mean all voters but with how close 2020 was, even a minority dip in support could cost him reelection. Discussing that is absolutely valid and if you don't think so, you just want a media that rubs your thigh and tells you how great everything is and how popular Biden is and there's no way he's vulnerable in November - or basically what FOX News does with Trump. Yeah, no thanks.

2. Whether you want to believe it or not, Michael Cohen isn't the most credible person. Pointing that out isn't some crazy conservative take.

So, yeah, it sure sounds like a lot of people just want MSNBC to parrot only positive talking points.

 

triron

(22,240 posts)
5. I agree with your disdain. Hard to cure stupid.
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 10:23 PM
Apr 2024

So MSNBC digs up some disgruntled blacks. That one playing pool was a real winner.

appmanga

(1,531 posts)
12. And the fact is...
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 11:43 PM
Apr 2024

...they aren't going to speak to the true root causes of why some black people are interested in Trump, and it's for the same reason some white people are interested in Trump: bigotry. There are lots of black people who harbor prejudice against the folks coming through the Southern border, and there is a not small cohort of black men who feel like the Democratic Party "pushes" the "gay agenda" and Trump and his ilk seem like they're willing to harm LGBT+ people.

Throw those things in with the misbelief Trump was behind the stimulus checks and child tax credit payments they got during the pandemic and you have some black folks who might go beyond Trump-curious to Trump voters. This is part of why polls aren't as great as some people think they are because people routinely cloak what actually motivates them.

One thing Coleman said, and it's scary in its truthfulness, is some people who don't feel democracy has worked all that well for them aren't particularly moved by the argument that democracy is in danger.

I have said it before: Biden and the DNC needs to have young surrogates like Jasmine Crockett making the case for him in black media. She's brilliant and she's real. Her appearing on their behalf on The Breakfast Club or Club Shay Shay would have ten times the impact of a Kamala Harris doing the same. Not because Kamala isn't capable, but she's a different vibe and a different generation.

mamajudi

(73 posts)
14. I'm not sure what the real complaint is..???
Fri Apr 12, 2024, 12:29 AM
Apr 2024

I agree with you appmanga.... I do think Alex is okay... Remember she was doing "The Circus" before coming 'back' to msnbc. I think overall she's a good reporter, but falls into the ....what about... crap sometimes. Like tonight. I like Coleman. But, I don't really understand what the beef is? What is it they want? Not him, but the black vote. What isn't Biden doing for them? Ha, like TFG would do for them. That's what is so confounding about politics. Crap like that...

 

All Mixed Up

(597 posts)
15. Biden is at jeopardy of losing reelection because of his losing support among minority voters.
Fri Apr 12, 2024, 10:26 AM
Apr 2024

It's absolutely a news worthy story. So, I'm not sure why you're dismissing it?

To you, it's just a few disgruntled voters but in the context of how narrow 2020 was, and how narrow 2024 might be, that could be the difference between victory and defeat.

Remember, Biden won the 2020 election essentially by 43,000 votes across just three states (Arizona, Georgia and Wisconsin).

Any dip in minority support, no matter how minor, could absolutely cost him the election.

And I find that pretty noteworthy and worthy of discussion, just as I do Trump's weaknesses, which she has focused on a lot.

It just sounds like you want MSNBC to be the media arm of the Biden campaign.

I disagree.

Takket

(23,803 posts)
7. do you want them to report the news that comes to them, or just read a script of things you want to hear?
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 10:32 PM
Apr 2024
 

Silent3

(15,909 posts)
9. Their job isn't making you feel good
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 11:07 PM
Apr 2024

It's the news, not a Democratic pep rally.

It's true Cohen has credibility problems. And whether these polls showing more black support for Trump are accurate or not, that such polls exist is a fully valid story to cover.

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