J.D. Vance: The Math on Ukraine Doesn't Add Up

[Voltaire2]

The fascist the center-right just can't love enough gets to fly the fascist flag on the NYT's opinion page.

President Biden wants the world to believe that the biggest obstacle facing Ukraine is Republicans and our lack of commitment to the global community. This is wrong.

Ukraine’s challenge is not the G.O.P.; it’s math. Ukraine needs more soldiers than it can field, even with draconian conscription policies. And it needs more matériel than the United States can provide. This reality must inform any future Ukraine policy, from further congressional aid to the diplomatic course set by the president.

The Biden administration has applied increasing pressure on Republicans to pass a supplemental aid package of more than $60 billion to Ukraine. I voted against this package in the Senate and remain opposed to virtually any proposal for the United States to continue funding this war. Mr. Biden has failed to articulate even basic facts about what Ukraine needs and how this aid will change the reality on the ground.

Link: fuckthisfascistclown

No sorry, wrong link, here is the paywalled bullshit https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/12/opinion/jd-vance-ukraine.html

[cos dem]

1. The math didn't add up in 1776 either

[BeyondGeography]

2. Every entity on earth with a size disadvantage should just give in to their math problem

Let’s start with Republicans.

[Captain Zero]

4. By JDVs logic we just give Eastern Europe to Russia? What about Alaska?

Trump and Vance. Putin's Appeasers.

[BeyondGeography]

7. If only JD was around for Vietnam

He could have penned a memo on the VC’s math problem to Ho Chi Minh and that would have been that.

[NanaCat]

24. Well, Vietnam was indeed a problem of numbers

For France and the US.

Little-known fact: Both France and the US were propping up a government serving a Catholic minority that was exploiting and terrorising the Buddhist majority--and had been ever since the French took over Indochina. The Buddhist monk who set himself on fire did so in protest of the ill treatment that Buddhists received under the South Vietnamese regime. Like, oh, the murder of 9 unarmed Buddhists in Huế Phật Đản, to name but one.

We failed in Vietnam because our military stupidly thought they could win a war in a foreign country against a majority of its population. So we did indeed lose a war of numbers there, because Ho Chi Minh had most of the Buddhist majority on his side.

[BeyondGeography]

25. "We failed in Vietnam because our military stupidly thought they could win a war in a foreign country."

And this is why Ukraine will endure in the end, provided that it has adequate support.

Yes, it could and will take many years, but, as Foreign Minister Kuleba has said, “we will fight them with shovels if we have to.” Russia is right next door so the situation is obviously different than Vietnam, but the dynamic is similar: one side is fighting for its life as a country and the other is fighting a war of choice. Putin is not just interested in a tranche of land here and Ukrainians will never accept a return to Russian rule. This war will continue for years even without our involvment. A full occupation of Ukraine is unattainable for Russia and if a Putin puppet was installed in Kyiv it would only lead to civil war. An achievable victory is a sovereign, EU-facing, sustainable Ukraine shored up with western security guarantees and reinvestment fueled by Russian reparations; what mostly stands in the way is MAGA Republicans, not math.

[FSogol]

3. The only size advantage is based on Vance's pea-sized brain rattling around in his skull.

[Voltaire2]

9. No actually that is a problem.

Russia has a massive advantage in troop strength. Of course as Russian military strategy doesn’t mind wasting soldiers, they need a massive advantage. But it is a real problem and is why material support is essential.

[FSogol]

11. Reading is Fundamental!

[Voltaire2]

14. "The only size advantage is based on Vance's pea-sized brain rattling around in his skull"

Maybe clearly expressing oneself is a prerequisite for others to comprehend your writing?

Russia has a troop strength advantage. That is a fact regarding the war. It isn't even in dispute. So there are at least two size advantages.

[FSogol]

19. So is the point of this thread to ridicule Vance (which 11 posters) did including me who called him

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a pea-brain, or to crow about Russian superiority which 1 poster did several times?

[Voltaire2]

23. Given the troop strength disparity Ukraine is dependent

on superior offensive and defense weapons.

Vance’s argument is vile.

[maxsolomon]

5. "They're going to lose, so let's force their surrender"

Really grinds my gears that my Dad voted for this dickbag.

[lame54]

17. "David. Put the rock down. You don't stand a chance."

[Diamond_Dog]

6. Shut up, J.D. Go kiss Trump's ass some more.

J.D. thinks we should just let Russia have Ukraine? I’ll bet if Victor Orban was begging for help J.D. would be first to sponsor an aid package.

[Renew Deal]

8. What Vance and others fail to realize is that Eurupe and subsequently the US may get directly involved in Ukraine

Biden is trying to prevent that, but it's coming.

[oasis]

10. Tim Ryan lost to this dope.

[Initech]

16. I know! WTAF!!!

Fuck Fox News!

[Freethinker65]

28. WTAF is wrong with Ohio?

[Initech]

12. JD Vance doesn't add up.

Another wingnut installed by Fox to do as much damage as possible.

[Raven123]

13. Consider the source: Vance failed to recognize Biden got more votes than TFG

[Voltaire2]

15. Consider the source: the NYT is under no obligation to publish fascist propaganda.

[Raven123]

18. Or if they identify it, refute it.

[maxsolomon]

20. It's an Op-Ed.

They like to print essays they know will rile up their Librul readership (like me). The comments section and LTEs will be full of well-informed fire and brimstone shortly.

I don't know for sure, but this could be a counterpoint to a NYT Editorial Board opinion that was strongly in favor of lethal Ukraine aid.
You could argue that it's important to have the argument against Ukraine aid made by a Republican Senator, since a majority of that party appears united behind that position.

As always, Republicans keep telling you that they're horrible people.

[Voltaire2]

26. Giving a platform to fascists is stupid.

[muriel_volestrangler]

21. As Lawyers, Guns & Money says, this is Vance's application to be Trump's VP pick

https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2024/04/j-d-vance-pens-love-letter-to-vladimir-putin

and to get it in perspective, substitute "Nazi Germany" for "Russia", and "the UK" for "Ukraine".

Archive link to bypass the paywall - Republican propaganda does not deserve copyright protection for the NYT: https://archive.is/t1FRs

[Aristus]

22. What a fancy-schmancy way of saying might makes right.

Asshole...

[Freethinker65]

27. JFC. This ignorant on foreign policy asshole in Ohio better be a one termer