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(2,633 posts)
Sat Apr 13, 2024, 08:28 AM Apr 2024

If I were an agnostic or atheist I would be mad as hell-how dare Christian Nationalist force

me to practice by law their religion. How would they like it if they were forced to practice another religion by law. Jesus never forced anyone to religion and Christian Nationalist have the hutzpuh to demand their religion by force of law. It has all the stink of egotistical man and not a damn thing about Jesus

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(47,086 posts)
1. American Atheists and The Freedom From Religion Foundation and to some extent,
Sat Apr 13, 2024, 08:32 AM
Apr 2024

The American Humanist Association, have been going to court for decades for your stated reason. It starts with relatively small skirmishes like Christian Only clubs in pubic schools or the Lord's Prayer at public Board of Education meetings. Our Establishment Clause (First Amendment) cases have been whittled down under the ruse of "accommodation".

Non-Protestant Christian religions (e.g., Judaism, Catholicism, Islam, the Bahai religion, Hinduism, etc.) have benefitted from these lawsuits as they remain minimally persecuted because of their faiths.


(7,453 posts)
2. The usual answer they give is "This country was founded on Christian values" or something similar.
Sat Apr 13, 2024, 08:32 AM
Apr 2024

Whatever those are.


(18,975 posts)
10. Christian Nationalist have no values or
Sat Apr 13, 2024, 10:59 AM
Apr 2024

ethics. They just make it up as they go along. Some of them think Christ was just too wimpy.


(15,748 posts)
3. You get used to it....
Sat Apr 13, 2024, 08:39 AM
Apr 2024

Still, we aren't as bad as some south American countries.

I think it was Ecuador where before marriage, you were required to attend religious counciling sessions with a priest. It didn't matter what religion you were. I'm sure divorce was equally screwed up.

And we don't yet have a religious tax, like a school tax, that some countries have. Though I'm sure that's on some zealots radar.

All in all, the separation of church and state really did protect both. Unfortunately those walls are crumbling. And both are suffering the decay.


(22,890 posts)
11. The Catholic Church requires religious counciling for
Sat Apr 13, 2024, 11:10 AM
Apr 2024

couples who are getting married. They call it Pre Cana classes.

Colonial Puritans in New England used to have a religious tax that everyone had to pay. Connecticut continued it after the US was established until it was challenged in court.

I have no doubt that dominionists would establish both practices as law, and much more.

When I attended public school in PA in the 1950s and early 1960s, PA law required public school teachers to begin each day by reading to the class a chapter from the King James Bible. I didn't know anyone who was atheist or agnostic at that time (or who dared to admit it), but there were Catholics and a Jewish family in my school who resented it.

The law was overturned by a SCOTUS ruling when I was in junior high. The pastor of our church gave a sermon that supported the ruling in the name of religious freedom. One of the things that I remember him saying was that it is the responsibility of parents and their place of worship to teach religion to their kids, not the public schools.


(9,152 posts)
5. I have a Plan
Sat Apr 13, 2024, 08:58 AM
Apr 2024

If the church’s demand a seat at the table of our government to make laws for all and take away rights of us all, end tax exemption. Tax at 30 percent min, every Mormon church, every Catholic Church, especially every Olsteen mega church, every Lutheran Church, every single faction of church down to the double wide chapel for snake handling, tongue talking, tambourine beating congregations.
Use every single dime of that revenue to strengthen Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, feeding the hungry, housing the homeless, caring for sick and elderly, and impoverished and abused child POST womb. And take in the stranger fleeing persecution and famine. And use a portion to go after the greedy lying thieves that worship cash over God.
As Jesus related straight from his dad’s mouth as what we are required to do to get to heaven.
That way all the Christian’s pouring cash into church’s go to do as Christ intended the money to not, not buy mansion and jets for preachers.
That way, Christian will get a better chance to paradise. With Mansions, streets of Gold, maybe even a few dozen virgins.
Then we may be able to call our self’s a Christian Nation.
And maybe a dime or two to take care of the planet he gave us instead of poisoning it.
Just a thought on Christian Nation requirements.
God bleeeessh, the United Staaaash.

Fla Dem

(24,499 posts)
6. I remember when we said the "Pledge of Allegiance" without saying "one nation UNDER GOD".
Sat Apr 13, 2024, 10:23 AM
Apr 2024
The pledge, as recited by U.S. schoolchildren, wasn’t standardized until World War II, and didn’t contain “under God” until 1954.

On June 14, 1954, President Dwight Eisenhower signed a bill to insert the phrase “under God” into the U.S. Pledge of Allegiance that children recited every morning in school. Previously, the pledge—originally written in 1892—had contained no reference to religion.

The push to add “under God” to the pledge gained momentum during the second Red Scare, a period when U.S. politicians were keen to assert the moral superiority of U.S. capitalism over Soviet communism, which many conservatives regarded as “godless.”

Court cases about whether students should recite the pledge had already reached the U.S. Supreme Court in the 1940s, before “under God” was added. In the decades after the 1954 addition, there were numerous other lawsuits related to the pledge.



(24,849 posts)
7. You don't have to be atheist or agnostic to object to religion compelled by law
Sat Apr 13, 2024, 10:39 AM
Apr 2024

I'm Catholic and I'll be damned if those evangelical bible thumpers force me to practice their religion! Who died and make them morality police?

Midnight Writer

(22,296 posts)
8. When given the choice between persuasion and coercion, Republicans choose coercion every time.
Sat Apr 13, 2024, 10:48 AM
Apr 2024

Whether it be in their government, their homes, their businesses, their social interactions, their go-to is to threaten, throw tantrums, use force to get their way.


(1,141 posts)
13. Well, after all,
Sat Apr 13, 2024, 01:06 PM
Apr 2024

What fun is it being unworthy, unclean and miserable if you can't make everyone that way?


(3,501 posts)
14. I AM an atheist and have been mad as hell my whole life
Sat Apr 13, 2024, 03:57 PM
Apr 2024

watching slimy theocratic nazis impose their stone age religious hatred on everyone in my country. Hell, the evangelical bastards who were finally shamed from further homo-hatred here are now exporting it to African and Asian countries, resulting in legislation such as Uganda's Kill The Gays and Ghana's Jail The Gays bills. To me, these bully coward control freaks are the lowest from of human life.

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