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Marcus IM
(3,001 posts)??
Not much of a sneak attack.
werdna
(1,250 posts)- Iran and Israel is 1,071.54 mi (1,724.48 km). The y must travel through two country's air space. Not sure how they could "sneak".
Irish_Dem
(82,250 posts)Marcus IM
(3,001 posts)Irish_Dem
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(3,001 posts)Irish_Dem
(82,250 posts)Celerity
(54,837 posts)SARose
(1,831 posts)President Biden decided to cut short his weekend vacation and return to the White House on Saturday for consultations ahead of a possible Iranian attack against Israel, the White House said.
Why it matters: Biden's decision signals that the White House thinks the Iranian attack could be imminent and take place within hours, according to sources with knowledge of the situation.
Israel Defense Forces' home front command announced a state of alert starting 4pm ET Saturday and added that all schools and education institutions will be closed Sunday another sign of an imminent attack.
The Israeli security cabinet was called for a meeting on Saturday night local time to discuss the preparation for an Iranian attack, Israeli officials say.
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Easterncedar
(6,463 posts)Iran wants to be seen to retaliate.
underpants
(197,124 posts)but what do I know?
Enquiring_Mind
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rollin74
(2,328 posts)Enquiring_Mind
(83 posts)But who knows.
MarineCombatEngineer
(18,171 posts)despite your doubt about the truth of it from Israel.
Cha
(320,480 posts)SARose
(1,831 posts)IDF confirms launch of Iran attack on Israel, says IAF tracking drones thatll take several hours to reach Israel
By EMANUEL FABIAN
IDF Spokesman Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari in a press statement confirms that dozens of drones launched from Iran are heading toward Israel.
He says the Israeli Air Force is tracking the drones, while noting that they will take several hours to reach the country.
Hagari says there will be GPS disruptions as the military works to intercept the drones.
Channel 12 says the US was the first to identify the launch and immediately notified Israel. Emphasis mine.
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Takket
(23,795 posts)Excuse my ignorance.
Israel has a good defense system and should be able to fend off most of these drones..
That is why we need to let Israel handle this.. A US involvement could start a regional war.
This all seems planned out, Iran has to respond, and is the highest way they can it seems. Seems like this will be it and Iran will say they won, and nothing else will happen. well lets at least hope.
I doubt Israel will attack Iranian soil without US backing, which I am not sure they will give if this is the only thing Iran does.
LeftInTX
(34,847 posts)Celerity
(54,837 posts)https://archive.ph/GUtcA
Israel is braced for the possibility that Iran or its proxies will launch major missile or drone strikes on the country, based on intelligence assessments. Over the past decade-and-a-half, Israel has upgraded its air defenses considerably, adding new systems for interceptions of ballistic missiles fired from as far away as 2,400 kilometers. That range includes Yemen, Syria and Iraq, where militant groups allied with Iran are based, as well as Iran itself. While these new systems passed years of testing to become fully operational and have notched a few successful interceptions in the battlefield, they have not yet dealt with a large-scale attack.
1. What air defenses does Israel have?
The most active and well-known of Israels air defenses is Iron Dome, which has intercepted thousands of rockets fired by Palestinian militants in Gaza since 2011. However, Iron Dome is designed for missiles and drones with a short range, from 4 kilometers to 70 kilometers, and is just one of the various advanced missile defense systems in place in Israel. In 2017, Israel installed a medium-to-long-range interceptor known as Davids Sling, which was co-developed by Israels Rafael Defense Industries and the US-based Raytheon Technologies. Davids Sling is designed to detect and destroy ballistic and cruise missiles, as well as drones, at a reported range of up to 200 kilometers. That range covers Gaza as well as southern Lebanon, where the Iran-backed militant group Hezbollah is believed to have 150,000 missiles, some of them precision-guided. Israel also possesses the advanced Arrow missile defense system, made up of Arrow 2 and Arrow 3. Developers have said the Arrow system can intercept missiles fired from up to 2,400 kilometers away and can do it above Earths atmosphere. The Israeli military also announced this month that a mobile, maritime version of Iron Dome known as C-Dome was operational and had successfully knocked down a hostile drone launched by Yemens Houthi rebels, who are backed by Iran. The military is also testing another system called Iron Beam, which uses lasers to intercept projectiles fired at close range at less expense than the Iron Dome. Iron Beam is not expected to be operational before mid-2025.
2. How effective are these systems?
Iron Dome has intercepted 90% of missiles heading toward populated areas, according to Israels military. However, the other air defense systems were only more recently introduced and data on their real-time effectiveness is not available. The army has acknowledged that its air defenses, including Iron Dome, can be overwhelmed if a large number of projectiles are fired simultaneously. Small drones fired by Hezbollah and the Houthis have also been able to slip through Israels defenses since October. Thats when war broke out between Israel and the Iran-backed militant Palestinian group Hamas, prompting other groups supported by Iran to pile on. Still, in recent years, the military said the few cases of real-time response in battle were successful. Arrow 3, which was jointly developed by Israel Aerospace Industries and Boeing Co., notched its first battlefield success in November 2023 when it shot down a missile fired by the Houthis toward southern Israel. Davids Sling knocked down Gaza rockets in fighting that erupted last May.
3. Whats led to fears of an Iranian attack on Israel?
The war between Israel and Hamas, which is considered a terrorist organization by the US and European Union, has aggravated the so-called shadow war between Israel and Iran. Iran blamed Israel for an April 1 airstrike on the countrys diplomatic buildings in the Syrian capital, Damascus, and vowed to retaliate. The strike killed seven Iranian military personnel, including a top commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, Irans premier security force.
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getagrip_already
(17,802 posts)Missiles may get launched to coincide with drone arrival, to overwhelm defenses, or at least make things more confusing for air defenses.
Could be other attack modes as well.
Those are some pretty long distance drones.
sarisataka
(22,818 posts)To keep the Iron Dome busy. I would expect ballistic missiles to be launched for a time on target strike
Easterncedar
(6,463 posts)Dont watch their hands. Watch their eyes.
But I am marginally hopeful that Iran will back away from instigating a full-scale war.
scipan
(3,102 posts)In the coming hours the U.S. expects missile launches from Iran and southern Lebanon -- and maybe even the Houthis -- as well as drones, which take longer to reach target. The Iranians are trying to overwhelm the Israeli air defenses with drones and missiles coming in at different altitudes, speeds and directions -- but hitting targets at the same time, according to the official.
While the U.S. expects that most of these will be intercepted -- upwards of 85% -- the fear is that if any Israeli lives are lost, the Israeli response will be much bigger.
The target is believed to be three military bases, especially one where F-35s are kept. While these bases are relatively remote, there are towns nearby and these Iranian weapons are not completely accurate.
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NickB79
(20,399 posts)And God help Iran if they directly target a US warship.
DemocratInPa
(743 posts)rollin74
(2,328 posts)Ace Rothstein
(3,378 posts)It has been reported that there is a US tanker plane over Iraq currently. The operation has likely been in progress for some time.
Deuxcents
(27,655 posts)Israels retaliation is certain and they are fierce
Behind the Aegis
(56,204 posts)They could bomb the shit out of Israel, and it wouldn't matter. The ONLY thing that would/will matter is Israel's response, which will, of course, be "wrong".
DFW
(60,423 posts)They know Israeö DOES have the capacity to respond in a manner that would bother them, they just figues we wouldn't "allow" it. The fact that Netanyahu doesn't need to ask for our permission is probably not a part of their propaganda, and so they actually believe it. Just like the misguided souls who think Biden can "order" israel around on how to conduct the Gaza operation.
DFW
(60,423 posts)Israel has the capacity to respond at practically any level they want to, and the Iranians know it. If they want to turn Iran's only major seaport, Bandar Abbas, into a glowing mass of radioactive waste, they can, and the Iranians know it. They won't care about their "martyrs," but they will care plenty about the money they'd lose if their only major seaport is gone, and remains uninhabitable for the next twenty years.
Iran has the capacity to mobilize an immense wave of Arab suicide soldiers to attack and possibly overrun a huge amount of Israeli territory, and the Israelis know that. Iran has supplied Hamas and Hezbollah with more weapons than they know what to do with, and the Israelis know that, too.
The Palestinian proxies do not care in the slightest what happens to their civilian populations, and the Israelis have nowhere else to go with theirs, and both side know that, too.
It's probably useless to hope that cooler heads will prevail if there no longer are any. We'll find out for sure if an Iranian drone should strike in a populated civilian area of Israel. Both sides know that, too. I bet Netanyahu is just praying that the Iranians are foolish enough to attack one of our ships in the Gulf. That is probably the only thing that would save his sorry ass. For that same reason, I'd also bet that Tehran has given its military commanders in the Gulf region orders not to cause so much as one American seaman's hat to be blown into the water.
LeftInTX
(34,847 posts)Israel will shoot drones back. Iran might shoot something worse. Israel will shoot something worse. Nukes won't get involved.
As long as Iran has "martyrs", all is good with them.
This won't get much worse than Hezbollah.
Both sides have a logistic problem. I suspect Hezbollah attacks will escalate.
DFW
(60,423 posts)It only takes one side to decide "we have nothing else left to lose." That will be the tipping point.
If drones sent from Iran start killing Israeli civilians in their homes, I don't think the response will be "proportional."
scipan
(3,102 posts)but they are not necessarily accurate.
Let's hope they are this time, or that Israel shoots them all down.
LetMyPeopleVote
(181,879 posts)rollin74
(2,328 posts)gulliver
(14,064 posts)Smh
scipan
(3,102 posts)Right about now...
ETA: over 100 drones plus over 100 UAVs.
scipan
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Conducted on the strength of Article 51 of the UN Charter pertaining to legitimate defense, Irans military action was in response to the Zionist regimes aggression against our diplomatic premises in Damascus. The matter can be deemed concluded. However, should the Israeli regime make another mistake, Irans response will be considerably more severe. It is a conflict between Iran and the rogue Israeli regime, from which the U.S. MUST STAY AWAY!
rollin74
(2,328 posts)scipan
(3,102 posts)not feel like it needs to retaliate. I don't trust Netanyahu's instincts though.
LeftInTX
(34,847 posts)Well, maybe
liberalla
(11,217 posts)With netanyahu at the head, I rather agree with this description.
LetMyPeopleVote
(181,879 posts)scipan
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I don't know if there are military bases there.
ETA: smoke near the Knesset.
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