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TomDaisy

(2,091 posts)
Sat Apr 13, 2024, 09:55 PM Apr 13

This was a long-telegraphed attack by Iran, and they knew nearly all missiles would be shot down

This is perfunctory and performative, it is not an escalation, it is a measured response to Israel's recent deadly attack on the Iranian embassy in Syria.

This attack was announced by our own White House days ago.

Israel forced Iran's hand. Iran had to respond with something.

In fact, Iran just issued a statement saying that the engagement is over unless Israel provokes them again.



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This was a long-telegraphed attack by Iran, and they knew nearly all missiles would be shot down (Original Post) TomDaisy Apr 13 OP
So the planned drama is over. Irish_Dem Apr 13 #1
exactly correct. TomDaisy Apr 13 #2
It was quite the dramatic performance. Irish_Dem Apr 13 #4
... orangecrush Apr 13 #29
Except for the injured kid. Igel Apr 14 #45
Reminds me of something that happened in WWII. Irish_Dem Apr 13 #8
US had a whole fake Army Kennah Apr 15 #47
Oh yes that is another story. Irish_Dem Apr 15 #54
No - 4th wave of 40 drones minutes ago womanofthehills Apr 13 #18
Exactly. Gore1FL Apr 13 #3
You think that Iran wanted to make a public display of how Mountainguy Apr 13 #5
Iran sent the drones first, knowing it would take hours from them to reach Israel TomDaisy Apr 13 #7
If that was the case, they wouldn't have launched the ballistic missiles Mountainguy Apr 13 #17
Iran is fighting a proxy war using wnylib Apr 13 #26
Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis are far better at killing people. Iran looks weak. Kennah Apr 15 #48
So no harm, no foul? sarisataka Apr 13 #6
so the WWIII screaming is just hysterical blathering by people who don't know anything. TomDaisy Apr 13 #10
The risk is there but is so far being averted. wnylib Apr 13 #28
Delayed Kennah Apr 15 #49
I would hardly classify Malcom Nance as a "know-nothing"..... AZ8theist Apr 14 #43
As long as nothing slips through and hits something important or causes casualties. Should be yes. Zipgun Apr 13 #16
Supposedly, another 80 drones are heading to Israel womanofthehills Apr 13 #34
That points out a weakness in pretty much all Disaffected Apr 13 #37
Joe enid602 Apr 13 #9
yes TomDaisy Apr 13 #11
It's getting really weird here. BannonsLiver Apr 13 #12
couldn't agree more TomDaisy Apr 13 #13
Where are you? OAITW r.2.0 Apr 13 #20
It was a save face attack Johnny2X2X Apr 13 #14
It seems like a measured reasonable response. Autumn Apr 13 #15
Iran makes a rational response after testing Israeli defense systems. OAITW r.2.0 Apr 13 #19
Crazy, but if Iran wanted to seriously hit Israel it would have a} fired more and b} had a coordinated attack with... dutch777 Apr 13 #21
thx for the explanation BlueWaveNeverEnd Apr 13 #22
If/When they get serious, they'll come with 10 times as many drones and missiles? Silent Type Apr 13 #23
At which point, the US will likely hit Iranian military sites Kennah Apr 15 #50
So, it's the Hatfields versus the McCoys? TeamProg Apr 13 #24
Good to know! BigmanPigman Apr 13 #25
Yeah, OK orangecrush Apr 13 #27
Iran firing over 200 real rockets and drones into Israel is not an escalation? Beastly Boy Apr 13 #30
All the drones are not sold to Russia and not launched against Ukraine. . . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 13 #31
Post removed Post removed Apr 13 #32
Think I'm gonna disagree on using nukes, sorry. Silent Type Apr 13 #40
You forgot the sarcasm emoji (hopefully). Celerity Apr 13 #41
Poor Iran. nt LexVegas Apr 13 #33
Iran has Russia, China, N Korea, Yemen, Iraq womanofthehills Apr 13 #35
Iran pulled a trump. BidenRocks Apr 13 #36
So a dotard move? Kennah Apr 15 #52
Interesting worldview where folks are so eager to be apologists for the tyrannical Islamist regime in Iran tritsofme Apr 13 #38
Its bizarro....nt LexVegas Apr 13 #39
So Saudi Arabia allowed the drones and missiles Ilsa Apr 14 #42
From Iran and Yemen according to what I read, so yes, it seems the Saudis allowed it Kennah Apr 15 #51
LOL n'kay. This is why I come to DU... AnrothElf Apr 14 #44
The little Bedouin girl who was injured did not have access to a bomb shelter. LeftInTX Apr 15 #46
dick waving Skittles Apr 15 #53

Igel

(35,540 posts)
45. Except for the injured kid.
Sun Apr 14, 2024, 12:20 AM
Apr 14

But aet includes red.

Ironically, the kid was (apparently) Bedouin.

Then again, Persians are the imperialists. Arabs, their tool or subjects.

Remember, Iran is a rump empire with Putinesque delusions of revanchist grandeur.

Irish_Dem

(50,519 posts)
8. Reminds me of something that happened in WWII.
Sat Apr 13, 2024, 10:03 PM
Apr 13

Germany used to put out fake airplanes and tanks to try to fool the allies.
The American pilots would waste bombs and fuel bombing cardboard and wood.

Then the Americans started dropping pretend bombs on the pretend airplanes and tanks.

Gore1FL

(21,253 posts)
3. Exactly.
Sat Apr 13, 2024, 10:00 PM
Apr 13

Measured retaliatory responses are commonplace. No one really wants to escalate this.

The attack, despite being ineffective, did come at a weapons-replacement cost.

Everyone leaves a with a little less.

Mountainguy

(720 posts)
5. You think that Iran wanted to make a public display of how
Sat Apr 13, 2024, 10:01 PM
Apr 13

weak its attack is against Israel's Missile defense?

I don't but that for a second. Iran launched the magnitude of weapons it believed it could overwhelm those systems and get some solid hits.

Israel is going to answer this attack and I bet Iran won't be as successful at defending.

TomDaisy

(2,091 posts)
7. Iran sent the drones first, knowing it would take hours from them to reach Israel
Sat Apr 13, 2024, 10:03 PM
Apr 13

and Israel knew very well the missiles were coming.

The Biden administration said days ago the attack was coming.

Iran doesn't want a larger war, but they wanted to make a response. This is what is called a proportional, non-escalatory response. If Iran wanted to attack Israel without warning - the would have. They didn't.

Mountainguy

(720 posts)
17. If that was the case, they wouldn't have launched the ballistic missiles
Sat Apr 13, 2024, 10:13 PM
Apr 13

On top of that they had Houthis and Hezbollah launching rockets as well.

They clearly expected some to get through. They have egg on their face tonight that their attacks were repelled.

wnylib

(22,282 posts)
26. Iran is fighting a proxy war using
Sat Apr 13, 2024, 11:05 PM
Apr 13

Hamas, Hezbollah, and Houthis to gain absolute control in the region. If they get that control, they will annihilate Israel from the map.

AZ8theist

(5,685 posts)
43. I would hardly classify Malcom Nance as a "know-nothing".....
Sun Apr 14, 2024, 12:13 AM
Apr 14

Ans he is stating we're in WWIII ALREADY.

Of course, it's all a matter of interpretation. But Nance is a national security expert and has been pretty much on-the-money since BEFORE Russia got Doturd elected in 2016.

Zipgun

(192 posts)
16. As long as nothing slips through and hits something important or causes casualties. Should be yes.
Sat Apr 13, 2024, 10:11 PM
Apr 13

Though Bibi has wanted the US to fight Iran for a LONG time, so always the possibility that it continues. If the response from Israel is low key, like smacking a bunch of Iranian proxies, everything should be good. Hit Iranian soil again, and not so much.

womanofthehills

(8,921 posts)
34. Supposedly, another 80 drones are heading to Israel
Sat Apr 13, 2024, 11:30 PM
Apr 13

They are trying to exhaust Iron Dome & Patriot systems. Sounds like some - 10 % are now getting through tonight according to different reports.

Each Iron Dome missile costs $40,000 to $50,000 so it costs mega bucks to replace them

Disaffected

(4,652 posts)
37. That points out a weakness in pretty much all
Sat Apr 13, 2024, 11:38 PM
Apr 13

missile defense systems - overwhelm the defenses with cheap missiles (or drones or decoys). It's a primary reason BTW why the Regan's "Star Wars" missile defense system was a no-go from the outset.

enid602

(8,762 posts)
9. Joe
Sat Apr 13, 2024, 10:04 PM
Apr 13

Thank you Joe Biden for working tirelessly via diplomatic channels. Glad to see there are still some adults in the room.

Johnny2X2X

(19,726 posts)
14. It was a save face attack
Sat Apr 13, 2024, 10:08 PM
Apr 13

They’ll claim it was wildly successful. But it was highly coordinated to be innocuous.

Autumn

(45,167 posts)
15. It seems like a measured reasonable response.
Sat Apr 13, 2024, 10:10 PM
Apr 13

Now what will Netanyahu do? He's the wild card, a school yard bully. He doesn't give a fuck what happens.

dutch777

(3,111 posts)
21. Crazy, but if Iran wanted to seriously hit Israel it would have a} fired more and b} had a coordinated attack with...
Sat Apr 13, 2024, 10:23 PM
Apr 13

...Hezbollah. Israel has a finite number of enemy rockets/missiles it can engage with in real time. 200 or a few more based on 10 Iron Dome systems with 20 intercept rounds each. Would fighter jets and other systems maybe intercept more longer range weapons, yes. But, could Iran coupled with Hezbollah unleash 1,000 or more missiles/rockets in very close coordinated and timed attacks, probably so. If that did not happen, indeed looks like Iran did minimum it had to do so it seemed to respond to the affront of Israel attacking one of its consulates. The fact that this is not much more serious a response is total luck on Israel's part. Killing who Israel killed is totally understandable. Doing it by striking a diplomatic facility is WAY across the line they should not have crossed and sets a terrible precedent for them and the whole world. Another dumb Bibi move the US will be blamed for by association.

Beastly Boy

(9,949 posts)
30. Iran firing over 200 real rockets and drones into Israel is not an escalation?
Sat Apr 13, 2024, 11:13 PM
Apr 13

Israel forced Iran's hand to fire live munitions into Israel? Are you kidding?

No, Iran's attack wasn't harmless. Iran didn't do it for kicks and giggles. Iran did it with full intent to harm Israel. That was a deliberate attack by one state on another. This is what in military legalese is called a casus belli, an event that calls for a declaration of war. This is not measured. It is an act of aggression that requires a decisive response, no matter how ineffective this act of aggression may have been.

When someone telegraphs intent to shoot you, then shoots you and misses, it would be insane to call this chain of events perfunctory, or performative, or measured. This is attempted murder, whether anyone gets murdered in the process or not (BTW, a Bedouin Arab child was murdered in Iran's attack).

And when someone shoots at you and then issues a statement that they are done shooting unless you provoke them "again", what would your most measured response be? Assuming that you are not completely suicidal, of course.

Response to TomDaisy (Original post)

Celerity

(44,581 posts)
41. You forgot the sarcasm emoji (hopefully).
Sat Apr 13, 2024, 11:53 PM
Apr 13
I hope Israel responds to the Iranian attack with nuclear weapons



If you are serious, you are advocating for WWIII, and with nukes involved from the beginning.

Thankfully you are not in charge.

BidenRocks

(848 posts)
36. Iran pulled a trump.
Sat Apr 13, 2024, 11:37 PM
Apr 13

They threw a tantrum which looks good to the Iranian public, but was simply target practice for Israel and NATO.
It's a deadly game. Let it lie for now. Ya done good.

tritsofme

(17,631 posts)
38. Interesting worldview where folks are so eager to be apologists for the tyrannical Islamist regime in Iran
Sat Apr 13, 2024, 11:39 PM
Apr 13

Putin’s close relationship with Iran is also not particularly surprising in that context.

To each their own, I suppose.

Ilsa

(61,735 posts)
42. So Saudi Arabia allowed the drones and missiles
Sun Apr 14, 2024, 12:03 AM
Apr 14

to fly over their nation? Or were they launched from a place outside of Iran?

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