are macaques using stone tools

[rampartc]

do we have an "animal rights" forum, because this needs to be on the radar.

if, as this article indicate, macaques are teaching their young to make and use stone tools, they have entered a paleolithic era.

that alone entitles them to, i think, extraordinary protection , not only as endangered or threatened species (macaques usually don't qualify) but as fully sentient beings.

should we help them along? or should we enact some kind of "prime directive?."
my instinct is to allow them to make their own mistakes.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-stone-wielding-macaques-can-tell-us-about-early-human-tool-use/

[Drum]

1. We can only hope that the macaques are afforded the time to so develop on earth.

And yes, there is a forum:

Vegetarian, Vegan and Animal Rights
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1131

or

Science
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1228

[rampartc]

5. under "v" forehead slap

[LeftInTX]

2. Macaques are quite numerous

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[rampartc]

4. 23 species as well

and i'm sure there is wide variance on this development.

that ability to steal is an even greater indication of intelligence than tool use.

thanks for those videos.

[LeftInTX]

7. Lots of macaque videos on YouTube

Here is a thief/bartering video

I guess you could call macaques "peridomestic" (thrive around humans)...Raccoons would fall into this category. Because raccoons have hands similar to our hands, they quickly have learned to use them to open garbage cans and get into things.

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[rampartc]

8. there is a big ol racoon that eats cat food on my porch

he isn't very afraid of me or the cats.

[True Dough]

3. That would make macaques

more intelligent than MAGAts.

[rampartc]

6. another great point

if they can pass a cognitive test they should be able to vote.

[Hekate]

9. We have an Anthropology forum you should check into...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1229

[rampartc]

10. thanks, hekate. i love judi lynn

[werdna]

11. Was Pierre Boulle prescient? N/T