The RANT light is on!

[Atticus]

As liberal Democrats in a very RED area, we have stared down neighbors and risked life and limb to post Obama posters (at our expense) in the last two presidential campaigns.

We have marched in DC several times, in Selma, in St. Louis, in Madison, in Indianappolis and in Tampa---always in support of labor, civil and voting rights, Democratic candidates and liberal ideals.

We have contributed money to liberal candidates all over the country.

But, excuse me all to HELL---I have a question!

WHO WON THE LAST DAMN ELECTION!!!

Why in hell are we starting off budget negotiations with an admonishment to liberals that we'll have to "step up" and agree to cutting Medicare and Medicaid since the nice Republicans have finally decided to visit the real world and "consider" "revenue enhancements"?

And, crybaby Boehner is "insisting" that we put Obamacare "on the table"?

I have a fair-to-middlin' vocabulary and a couple of degrees, but I wouldn't use more than three words in responding to these Republican whores : KISS MY ASS!!!

[yardwork]

1. Tell it.

[haikugal]

2. I'm with you...

Is Obama going to do what he did last time all over again? I'll never vote for another Democrat if he does this, I'll go green instead. Don't elections count anymore?

[AnotherMcIntosh]

37. The Republicans will run another scary equivalent to Insane McCain or Multi-Billionaire Rmoney.

They know how to scare people.

Green will not be a choice for many. Instead, it will be the lesser of two evils while we ship jobs to foreign countries, extend tax breaks to the super-rich, and adopt a version of Romney-care instead of Medicare for all.

[SammyWinstonJack]

69. So...bidness as usual?

[AnotherMcIntosh]

74. Yep. In time, we'll find out who the next Rep candidate is. Maybe the Bush from Florida.

[Faygo Kid]

3. Couldn't agree more.

Check out the #1 most recommended thread right now. It says it all. Corporate CEOs who want to gut Social Security and Medicare.

I haven't worked these nearly 50 years to give that up now.

[tblue]

4. Agreed.

Eff that BS.

[forestpath]

5. After seeing a clip of David Plouffe on Ed's show tonight talking about a "grand bargain"

with "entitlements" on the chopping block - I have to wonder if President Obama knows he won .

[Liberalynn]

6. +1

[John2]

30. Take Plouffe

and throw him off the Cliff along with the Republicans. He is expendable but not us! We elected you! I'm not kidding either! President Obama may not have another election but his successors does! We will definately remenber it and don't just think the Republicans are on the clock! You are working for those that elected you!

[lark]

63. Plouffe is not the problem

His boss is the problem. It's Obama who keeps putting Medicare, SSI, etc. on the table. Anyone who didn't know he is a moderate Repug has not been been paying attention. He WANTS bipartisanship, really almost seems to need it when he's not campaigning. We, who voted for him, need to push hard to have any chance in hell of him not selling us out. His natural inclination is to just give in and not fight - NOT ACCEPTABLE.

[Jackpine Radical]

7. Well, maybe ome hifalutin language is in order here.

I invite Boner and the Republicans to make an airborne attempt at copulation with a moving piece of perforated pastry.

[MichaelSoE]

9. Or ask them to ......

defecate in their chapeaus

[2naSalit]

24. Hey...

isn't that from at least one of Kurt Vonnegut's books? I like that saying... the original that you appeared to be paraphrasing.

[heaven05]

68. not

the donut hole! LOL but seriously afraid of 1st term compromise fever striking.

[lunasun]

8. Many Dems are using the same mantras......sad

[butterfly77]

71. Time to march down to some..

bluedog and wimpy Democrats office to give them a piece of our minds.

[godai]

10. Repubs control the House.

Obama needs something that the House will pass. This is just like the last negotiations. It was well described in Woodward's book. Debt ceiling then, 'fiscal cliff' now. I say, jump off the cliff. Nothing needs to be passed!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/woodward-book-chronicles-obamas-fiscal-policy-battle-with-congressional-republicans/2012/09/05/0b6ac24c-f6dd-11e1-8253-3f495ae70650_story.html

[IDoMath]

59. So what?

They know they are on notice and skating on thin ice. They have already started telling Grover to take a hike. They can't play "make Obama a one-termer" anymore. They play the obstruction card at their risk now.

So, now is a good time to play hardball.

You NEVER, NEVER go into a negotiation asking for what you want or expect to get. You go in asking for more and expect to give something up along the way.

So right now we should be taking a hard line and doing so LOUDLY.

[lark]

64. Ready, Set, Jump

Wow what a soft landing. The cliff is really more of a mole hill. It's only the rich that will be impacted in any serious way. Not too bad.

[godai]

66. I'm good with cliff diving. n/t

[MFM008]

11. yup!

[Laurian]

12. Is there any way to mount a Twitter or Facebook avalanche directed

to the White House? I sign all kinds of petitions to this person and that person, but I think that diffuses the response. We need a massive outpouring targeting one critical participant before the haggling begins.

[wilsonbooks]

14. This article seems to be gaining some traction.

Post it to Facebook, etc.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/25/deficit-reduction-council-fiscal-cliff_n_2185585.html?utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false#slide=1513788

[annabanana]

15. very very very good,, and READ some of those

comments on there. The place is on FIRE!

[druidity33]

78. Sometimes I feel like i'm missing something...

but i just NEVER visit HuffPo anymore. It's like WalMart to me. Dead.

[tosh]

13. K AND R!!!

[Liberal In Red State]

16. AMEN! To Cantor and his ilk . . . Obamacare is not ob the table now or ever! We settled that . . .

On November 6th! As his mentor once said . . . Elections have consequences! FORWARD!!!!!!

[LeftyLucy22]

27. Although SCOTUS wants to revisit it now from what I read today. :(

[humbled_opinion]

33. Only because

they want to deny women the right to contraception, that's all...

[stupidicus]

17. you are being a "concern troll" or somesuch

at least that's what I extensively saw such concerns pre-election described as by many.

I suppose they weren't concerned about getting screwed, just who was doing the screwing

[rurallib]

18. sing it brother Atticus!

the music is sweet and inspiring!

[GeorgeGist]

19. They Frame. You Respond.

It's called playing THEIR game.

[Atticus]

21. That bit about liberals "stepping up" came from the mouth of David Plouffe.

Is he a part of "They"?

[John2]

31. Did he say

that when they were begging for our votes? I got one response to Plouffe. The back of my foot!

[freshwest]

34. We have Reid, Sanders, Warren, etc. And there will be more voices than just his:

Liberals lline up at the White House

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/11/liberals-line-up-at-the-white-house-the-note/

Don't give up. You can see the opposition, the comments are really horrible on that page. Full conservative hatred against those working to preserve progressive ideas. They are the real problem we are dealing with, and they kept Ryan and Cantor in office to make trouble for a lberal agenda.

[Milliesmom]

20. Make yourself heard

Go to http://www.whitehouse.gov/ and tell them how you feel. I did, and do every week. I also wrtei mean letters to Congress.

[Atticus]

22. Good idea. Been there, done that, but thanks for the suggestion. nt.

[Liberalynn]

23. me too

written WH, Senators, etc

[2naSalit]

25. I also write

mean letters to Congress... LOL I love that honest admission!!

[LeftyLucy22]

26. Absolutely right! nt

[patrice]

28. Regarding the House: Here's a petition to recognize the Tea Party as a treasonous hate group:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/legally-recognize-tea-party-hate-group-and-remove-them-office-treason-against-united-states/9jJv4sT0

.......................................

If you'd like a little research supporting the claim that the TP is a hate group, here's a professional researcher who has dedicated his life to documenting the genealogy and activities of hate groups, including the Tea Party:

http://www.irehr.org/

[obxhead]

29. I wouldn't use more than 2 words

FUCK YOU!

eom

[humbled_opinion]

32. Exactly...

Bottom line raise taxes and if need be cut loopholes by all means reduce the DOD spending close some bases overseas... but do not cut anything from any of the social safety nets PERIOD, or I guarantee I will be the first one out front protesting.

[jerseyjack]

35. But are you willing to vote Green next time..

if your rep or senator votes to reduce ss or medicare?

[Pakid]

36. During the battle of the bulge in WW2

The American forces in Bastogne were ask by the German to surrender The reply by Gen McAuliffe was one word NUTS and that should be our replay to Republicans NUTS!!!!!

[bvar22]

55. The problem here is not The Republicans.

It is the Democratic Party Leadership.
"They" need to hear from you.

[Smilo]

38. I wouldn't waste that many words on them

Eff off will do nicely.

[ReRe]

39. I want to see that GD "Grand Bargain" document.....

K&R x 1000000000

Red state here too, and all the rest, Atticus. Did I see a copy of that GD document on here somewhere a couple weeks ago? If so, somebody please link to it. I want to see where that thing says that the so callled "Grand Bargain" was "heretofore forever and ever" the deal. They got what they wanted, i.e. the Bush tax cuts..right? And what did we get? Didn't they blackmail us with unemployment payments... it was Christmas time as I remember, and the unemployment rate hadn't started to fall yet? McConnell would filibuster the unemployment extension if they didn't get their tax cuts?

The "Grand Bargain" is off the table. Obamacare is the law of the land. That deal was settled back then. This is now, we won the effing election.

I think Plouffe was just floating a balloon. And it blew up in his face. I just can't believe the Democratic Party will throw it's base to the curb yet again. I just can't believe it. I'm hanging on until the bloody end...

[loudsue]

40. And so what needs to happen is some good ole time phone blasters and mail

blasters to each and every member of congress and the white house. We need to get everyone on facebook & twitter up in arms, and shouting at the congress and at the news media to report the outrage....not disagreement....total out and out outrage over even the prospect.

[Liberalynn]

45. Everyone should agree on a hashtag for twitter

like #savemedicare or #NoMedicarecuts?

[hrmjustin]

41. Huge K&R!

[Poll_Blind]

42. When the President's own Sr. Advisor is FOR Medicare & Medicaid cuts...we're fucked. (VIDEO)

It's as simple as than, man. When those two sit down at the table to negotiate, no matter who wins, we lose. This clip is from Big Ed's show, tonight:

PB

[forestpath]

43. I have never seen Ed so shaken....we have been stabbed in the back.

[Poll_Blind]

44. This is, according to Plouffe, going to be a 10-20 year deal. That's most of the rest of my life.

Even if you're a youngster, this is going to be a big chunk of your future. And all...decided very shortly, and while most of us are preoccupied with the holiday season.

10-20 year "dead".

With the Repukes.

And we "won".

PB

[bonniebgood]

46. Ploufe has just signed on to the next campaign to run. A repuke for sure. This talk

from Ploufe depress the vote more than Gov rick scott. A nice way to put All rups back in
the Senate 2014.

[heaven05]

72. the

knife has not brought blood yet. I haven't felt any pain yet. But the knife is somewhere, of this I'm sure. Now whether it's us or them(rethugs/tea party) that bleed is yet to be seen.

[heaven05]

70. I saw it

Plouff needs to go poof and fucking disappear. Yeah we really will need a viable third party start up if first term compromise fever strikes us again.

[sabrina 1]

82. Did Plouffe really say that Medicare and Medicaid were the 'chief drivers of the Deficit'????

Is he a stealth Republican or what? That is one of the biggest lies I've even someone claiming to be a Democrat tell in public?

Fire Plouffe. He has made himself an enemy of the middle class and the poor by pushing that Republican lie.

The President needs to make a public statement correcting that lie as fast as he can.

[nonoxy9]

47. Amen! Called the White House right after the news today

And listening to the interviews with Dems in the "gang of 8". What a bunch of crap! Leave it to weak kneed Dems to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

[99Forever]

48. In case it isn't obvious to all..

.. here's how it works:

When they win, they win.

When we win, they win.


As to why? Ask the Democratic Party "Leaders."

[Magoo48]

76. The lead leader needs to clearly lead those who would be led.

[99Forever]

49. Fuck with Social Security and...

.. see what happens.

[daleanime]

50. K&R

[mstinamotorcity2]

51. If they are kissing my Ass,

I would appreciate it if they would use a little chapstick first, my ass is rather delicate. And the way republicans talk with their hard words I know them lips are chapped. Personally we have worked hard in every area surrounding our President. I am prepared to fight Republicans tooth and nails. The republicans have not learned any lessons. they are gearing up to figure out which new LIE will work on the Electorate. Even if they were to get in charge they have already shown and told us that they will not Govern for all the people. As our President has said he is behind 100 percent of the Country but 98 percent will be affected by his policies. The top 2 percent don't need help. They have acquired quite a bit of Wealth in the last 12 years. They have apparently already have helped themselves. When the President says 98 percent of americans it covers all backgrounds. When Republicans throw out their numbers its like 47 percent and 30 percent. Its black people are lazy. The unemployed don't want to work and living off their unemployment. Welfare queens driving Cadillacs. Illegals coming across the boarder. And young women are sluts. This is the big tent party. Funny I wonder how anyone can remain in the party, that had regular meetings on C street. How is former Senator Ensign?????

[colorado_ufo]

52. Amen and hallelujah!

[i am thee modren man]

53. For the love of God

why don't you MOVE? If it's so ignorant in the backwoods and all?

A little caveat: the grass is always greener...

[joanbarnes]

54. WELL SAID. Bless you for your activism.

[bvar22]

56. Righteous Rant!

DURec!



[font color=firebrick][center]"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will STAND UP for Working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone [/font][/center]
[center][/font]
[font size=1]photo by bvar22
Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed[/center][/font]


"By their WORKS you will know them."

[IDoMath]

57. Heck Yeah!! No more compromising BEFORE negotiating.

[They_Live]

60. Don't negotiate with terrorists,

and certainly don't go in to a meeting with your hat in hand ready to compromise, when you have a mandate from not only voters, but A LARGE MAJORiTY OF Americans.

Make the wealthiest PAY for their endless WAR.

[mfcorey1]

58. Preeeeeeeeeach!!!!

[AAO]

61. I would be first in line to shove a unshelled pineapple right up his ass!

Put it in with the grain of the spikes. It makes pulling it out a real sensory treat!

[IDoMath]

62. Me Next! Where do I buy tickets? n/t

[AAO]

81. In Hell!

[AAO]

83. I highly doubt you could afford them

I will be catering to the 1%.

[heaven05]

73. ouch!

but yeah.

[butterfly77]

65. Kick,kick,kicked&Recommended!

Exactly!

[heaven05]

67. very well put

i concur.

[calimary]

75. Works for me, Atticus!

I like your three parting words - VERY MUCH!!!! In his case they're very well-deserved!

[gtar100]

77. Word!

[1monster]

79. Have you sent this your our Democratic leaders? I'm sure most of us

at DU would be willing to sign on this as co-sponsors to your letter just as it is!

I'm willing.

[ProudProgressiveNow]

80. +1000 nt K&R