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Rabbi at Columbia advises Jewish students that they go home until it's safe again for them on campus. (Original Post) Ace Rothstein Apr 2024 OP
It was disappointing to hear Ali Velshi present the situation at JohnSJ Apr 2024 #1
Speaking of Kent State, a friend of mine waa a Kent student wnylib Apr 2024 #12
Your friend was very fortunate to go home. Yes, different theme, but JohnSJ Apr 2024 #15
Besides war protests at the time, there were also racial tensions wnylib Apr 2024 #19
Wow JohnSJ Apr 2024 #22
Signs of the times. There was unrest in many parts of American life back then. wnylib Apr 2024 #24
I know. I was referring to the close calls your friend had. JohnSJ Apr 2024 #25
Actually, it was her brother who got her out of the school riot. wnylib Apr 2024 #27
Ali Velshi DaBronx Apr 2024 #21
Usually Velshi is fair, but in this case important details were left out which neglected threats and harassment against JohnSJ Apr 2024 #23
Yes, but American Jews trying to live their lives are not Israel. shrike3 Apr 2024 #30
That seems to get lost these days DaBronx Apr 2024 #31
Yes. Intelligent people should be able to differentiate. shrike3 Apr 2024 #32
Ignorance and downright hatred breeds anti semitism DaBronx Apr 2024 #33
Go home until the antisemitism ends? JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2024 #2
They should not have to interrupt their education wnylib Apr 2024 #14
It's true, the Jewish protestors are definitely in danger of being kicked out of their dorms at best and arrested WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2024 #3
Are you saying Jewish students aren't being harassed on college campuses? JohnSJ Apr 2024 #8
It appears that's what they're saying. Patton French Apr 2024 #29
Post removed Post removed Apr 2024 #4
I fail to see how the saying applies sarisataka Apr 2024 #6
Are you saying Jewish students deserved to be harassed? JohnSJ Apr 2024 #7
Care to elaborate on that? I don't think that means what you think it means. Please be explicit. Hekate Apr 2024 #16
You're obviously referring to the long history of the Jews harassing Muslims on US campuses elias7 Apr 2024 #20
Wondering if you had a response? TexasDem69 Apr 2024 #26
Wonder if there will be a faculty letter about this Sympthsical Apr 2024 #5
Oh my god, this is so awful. Lunabell Apr 2024 #9
Wait! So the best they can do is tell these students to go home and maybe come back later? Biophilic Apr 2024 #10
Actually Columbia is they are taking action against those harassing. JohnSJ Apr 2024 #11
Do you have an article Mossfern Apr 2024 #18
It's a rabbi, not the administration, that is urging studrnts to go home for safety. wnylib Apr 2024 #17
There is no excuse, no rationale for this mcar Apr 2024 #13
What a sad day for America Takket Apr 2024 #28
 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
1. It was disappointing to hear Ali Velshi present the situation at
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 02:59 PM
Apr 2024

Columbia as though having police remove the protesters from the campus encampments being so unfair, without telling the complete story about the harassment of Jewish students.

It was to prevent incidents like what happened to Salman Rushdie, or what happened at Kent State years ago



wnylib

(26,018 posts)
12. Speaking of Kent State, a friend of mine waa a Kent student
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 04:02 PM
Apr 2024

at the time of the protests leading up to the shootings, which occurred on a Monday. On the weekend before that, she went home because of the escalating tensions. She planned on returning that Monday morning, but her parents insisted that she stay home until they could be sure that the campus was safe. So, she was at home in another city when the shootings occurred. She knew some of the students who were shot.

The protests were about escalation in Vietnam, so her religious/ethnic identity was not relevant to the protests, but she is Jewish.

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
15. Your friend was very fortunate to go home. Yes, different theme, but
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 04:07 PM
Apr 2024

because preventive action wasn’t taken, and calling in the National Guard, the tragedy occurred

wnylib

(26,018 posts)
19. Besides war protests at the time, there were also racial tensions
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 04:24 PM
Apr 2024

over treatment of Black students in public schools. When she was in high school, she escaped a school riot by jumping out of a first floor window. So she was alert to avoiding escalating tensions.

wnylib

(26,018 posts)
27. Actually, it was her brother who got her out of the school riot.
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 11:27 PM
Apr 2024

When the violence broke out, he ran to her classroom and pushed her and a few other students out of the window. They ran home.

Today's students face gun violence.

DaBronx

(772 posts)
21. Ali Velshi
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 07:39 PM
Apr 2024

Very talented, compassionate journalist/anchor. That being said, he has certain views about the Middle East, and the compassion does not extend to Israel. There are a few more anchors on msnbc who align similarly.

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
23. Usually Velshi is fair, but in this case important details were left out which neglected threats and harassment against
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 11:15 PM
Apr 2024

that were occurring on the campus. That being said, he was not alone in neglecting important details.





 

shrike3

(5,370 posts)
30. Yes, but American Jews trying to live their lives are not Israel.
Mon Apr 22, 2024, 09:49 AM
Apr 2024

I think it'd be appropriate to condemn Israel while also pointing out that American Jews do not control what Netanyahu does. Intelligent people should be able to make that distinction.

 

shrike3

(5,370 posts)
32. Yes. Intelligent people should be able to differentiate.
Mon Apr 22, 2024, 09:59 AM
Apr 2024

No one with a heart likes what's going on in Gaza. But how are American Jews responsible for it?

DaBronx

(772 posts)
33. Ignorance and downright hatred breeds anti semitism
Mon Apr 22, 2024, 10:05 AM
Apr 2024

Even at “the best schools.”

Perhaps the SATs need revision.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(24,681 posts)
2. Go home until the antisemitism ends?
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 03:01 PM
Apr 2024

Sounds like a plan, unless you're trying to actually get an education, degree, all that sort of stuff.

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,956 posts)
3. It's true, the Jewish protestors are definitely in danger of being kicked out of their dorms at best and arrested
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 03:03 PM
Apr 2024

at worst. FWIW, Hillel CU/BC put out a statement saying it doesn't believe anyone needs to leave campus at this point. Two Jews, three opinions, etc.

Response to Ace Rothstein (Original post)

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
16. Care to elaborate on that? I don't think that means what you think it means. Please be explicit.
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 04:13 PM
Apr 2024

elias7

(4,229 posts)
20. You're obviously referring to the long history of the Jews harassing Muslims on US campuses
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 04:24 PM
Apr 2024

I actually defy you to provide me one example of Jewish terrorism, hate speech, harassment or violence against any group in the US.

Sympthsical

(10,969 posts)
5. Wonder if there will be a faculty letter about this
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 03:08 PM
Apr 2024

Nah, right?

It's always nah.

And we're never supposed to read a thing into that.

It's like interviewing someone when there's a klan rally on their front lawn. "Sir, what do you think about the klan rally happening just outside your window?"

"Well, Jim, it's unfortunate that people are being called racist. I mean, they're not all racist. It's so unfair. We don't want to generalize."

"Sure, but what do you have to say about an actual klan rally ten feet away from you?"

"That's none of my business. Just don't be too mean to them, ok?"

Always remember. These are the people teaching young people. Then we wonder why some quadrants of TikTok end up looking like Nuremburg rallies.

 

Lunabell

(7,309 posts)
9. Oh my god, this is so awful.
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 03:48 PM
Apr 2024

So, this is what has happened to our wonderful, "free" country. Freedom for white, heterosexual, x-tian men only.

Biophilic

(6,552 posts)
10. Wait! So the best they can do is tell these students to go home and maybe come back later?
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 03:55 PM
Apr 2024

I must be missing something. My understanding was that pro-Palestinian protestor are harassing and endangering Jewish students. Are the higher ups of Columbia afraid to take a stand for the safety of their students? Then the bullies win. I hope I’ve missed something here.

wnylib

(26,018 posts)
17. It's a rabbi, not the administration, that is urging studrnts to go home for safety.
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 04:14 PM
Apr 2024

His concern for their safety is legitimate, but it should not be necessary.

I'd rather see a student boycott of classes, beyond Jewish students, as a protest against anti-Semetic threats and hostilities.

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