Last night Butler Lawn, Columbia University: "We have Zionists who have entered the camp"

[lapucelle]

"Columbia students eject Jews from the quad"

Link to tweet

[Irish_Dem]

1. Time for some arrests.

[lapucelle]

2. ....

[TeamProg]

20. OMG! This not the place.

[Jedi Guy]

26. To use a Futurama reference...

Lapucelle is a whale biologist. They calls 'em like they sees 'em. And they are neither wrong nor wrong to do so.

If these clowns don't want to be compared to Nazis, perhaps they shouldn't behave like Nazis. A startling idea, I know.

[revmclaren]

28. Exactly.

Expelling Jews is rather naziesk to say the least.

Antisemitic to be quite factual.

[Jedi Guy]

31. I'm sure that if they had their way...

Jews would have to wear some kind of badge identifying them as such. And the only people allowed into the encampment are those who can prove they have no Jewish ancestry back to 1750.

Next thing we know, they'll have a group of protesters acting as a "protection squadron" and they'll have uniforms and everything.

[TeamProg]

35. Actual Nazis did horrible, horrible things to their fellow men and women. These students did not

do any of those things. They formed a human chain to keep non-members of their ‘club’ from joining in.

To compare creating a human chain barrier keeping opposing protesters awsy to the Nazis diminishes the atrocities that the Nazi party was engaged in.

MAGA in the U. S. is the closest thing to the Nazi party and there is no way that these student protesters are MAGA.

[EX500rider]

36. Non-members or Jews?

[TeamProg]

38. Opposing protesters is what I wrote. It seems you missed my main point.

I can’t help that.

[EX500rider]

41. No here's what you wrote verbatim

"They formed a human chain to keep non-members of their ‘club’ from joining in."

[TeamProg]

43. First off, their 'club' isn't a real thing so 'non-members' aren't a

real thing either.

There are however, protesters and opposing protesters.

Did you actually watch the short video?

[lapucelle]

61. So you're repudiating the terms you introduced into the discussion.

Good to know.

[TeamProg]

62. That's just cemantics, the important thing is, if justice prevails, history will NOT be kind.

[EX500rider]

66. You are correct, history will not be kind to anti-Semitism on US campuses

[TeamProg]

67. For the hundredth millionth time, it's not anti-semetic to be Anti-Netanyahu / Anti-Israeli politics. To blend the two

is a big part of the problem.

[EX500rider]

73. Yes I am sure these chants are just "anti-netanyahu" lol

“[Izz ad-Din] Al-Qassam [Brigades], make us proud, take another soldier out,” anti-Israel demonstrators chanted on Friday night in a video published on social media by pro-Palestinian activist ThizzL. “We say justice, you say how? Burn Tel Aviv to the ground. Go Hamas, we love you. We support your rockets too

[getagrip_already]

83. To exclude someone because they are jewish is not the same

As excluding them because they are pro Netanyahu.

They are born Jewish.

That is what the protestors are against.

[atreides1]

84. But

It will be kind to Islamophobia...because when that happens it's like crickets!!!

[Happy Hoosier]

39. IMHO, you are totally missing the plot here.

Hating Jews is a centuries long tradition.

The fact that they weaved a narrative you find some sympathy with doesn't change what their ultimate goal is.

I encourage you to step back and view the events of today in the context of a millenium of pogroms, massacres, and generalized hate.

[TeamProg]

44. What I see is Israel annexing land beyond the 1948 Partition.

“Annexing” is the polite word.

[Happy Hoosier]

46. You know it was the Arabs that attecked them, right?

Read the history of the war. Every damned time, the Arabs launches the offensives that the Jews defeated. Early in teh conflict, the Jews proposed a peace at the partition borders, which the Arabs rejected.

I'm not supporting everything the Istaelis did or are doing. But the the "poor widdle Palestinians" narrative is nonsense. They attempted violent ejection of the Jews, failed, and then cried victim.

I'm frustrated with this issue. It feels like no matter what is done, it will turn to shit because the people there are not acting in good faith.

[TeamProg]

47. You did not address the land annexation issue.

[ripcord]

118. Israel took Gaza from Egypt and the Gohlan from Syria because they kept using them as jumping off points for attacks

Israel took that land for legitimate security concerns after spanking the Arabs repeatedly.

[ripcord]

59. What does that have to do with Jews in the U.S.?

If the protesters have a problem with Jews rather than just Israel then their hate speech protests should be shut down.

[TeamProg]

60. That's two different issues. #1: 'Pro' and 'opposition' to Israel's retaliation is worldwide. #2: I didn't hear the pro

-Palestinian student protesters refer to any as being Jews. I heard the word "Zionists", heck, I'M A Zionist! Of course Israel should exist (while not blowing their neighbors to pieces.)

Did you watch the video with the sound on?

[Mossfern]

69. The protesters were using the word "Zionist"

as a pejorative for "Jew." Listen to the audio - it's quite noticeable.

[forthemiddle]

81. Were they addressing Jews they knew to be Zionist

Or were they addressing people they knew to be Jews?
How do you identify a Zionist? Are they wearing arm bands?

[MistakenLamb]

91. the identifier was allegedly a visible Magen David necklace so yeah

“Zionist” means visibility Jewish

[TeamProg]

93. I can't speak for the history, but presently, annexing land that is not Israel's as was designated in the 1948 Partition

could be a reason for Palestinians to be very upset - and even attack Israel for what Palestinians likely view as land-theft. What is your opinion on that?

I encourage you to step back and view the events of today from the perspective of Palestinians and the land they once had, legally.

Thank YOU!

[The Revolution]

114. You keep bringing up this 1948 partition

By which I assume you mean the partition plan adopted by the UN in 1947?

The Israelis mostly accepted the plan, while the Palestinians (and Arab states as a whole) basically rejected it outright.

Since they never agreed to the borders in the partition plan in the first place, they can't now suddenly hold them to be sacrosanct.

Immediately after the resolution was adopted, there was a civil war in Mandatory Palestine, immediately followed by the Arab-Israeli war once the Mandate ceased to exist.

In these wars, both sides were trying to grab more land than the partition plan had laid out. In the end, the Israelis had control of large chunks of what would have been the Arab state under the partition plan. Egypt and Jordan also annexed much of this land.

So the 1947 UN partition plan was never really in effect. The war changed the situation, and Israel came out ahead. Again, I don't see how the side that rejected the original plan can now go back and demand its enforcement just because they tried (and failed) to conquor additional land for themselves.

[TeamProg]

116. It was drawn up in late 1947, but not put into place until 1948. That's why it's called the 1948 Partition.

[The Revolution]

117. But it was never put in place

I'm not trying to debate the name (I don't know that it has an official name). The UN approved the plan in 1947, and violence broke out immediately. It was supposed to go into effect at some point in 1948 once the Mandate was terminated, but that never really happened. The conflicts that spanned 1947-1949 ended with armistice agreements that established the Green Line.

The Arabs rejected the partition plan from the start. And that plan was never really in effect anyway.

[ripcord]

119. Israel was granted land in the Partition

But the Arabs ignored the UN mandate to attack Israel over and over, funny how no action was taken against them for their genocide attempts. I guess when you only want to kill Jews it is acceptable, especially to the UN.

[Jedi Guy]

42. Actual Nazis started small and gradually escalated from there.

It began with Judenfrei areas, areas where Jews were forbidden to go. Later on, the term meant areas that had been cleansed of Jewish presence, since those Jews had been sent to the extermination camps to be tortured and murdered.

Similarly, the Nazis (primarily the Sturmabteilung, the precursor to the Schutzstaffel) protested outside Jewish businesses, encouraging other Germans not to shop or do business there. Remind you of any of these protests, hmm? It's worth noting that later on, those "protests" became Kristallnacht.

It's also worth noting that one of the protesters told a Jewish student to "go back to Poland." Of all the nations in Europe, why do you suppose they specifically chose Poland, hm? You do realize, I hope, that many of the extermination camps were located in Poland, with Auschwitz-Birkenau being arguably the most infamous of them. There's also the Warsaw Ghetto.

So kindly spare me your deflection on this topic because I'm not interested in it. If these jackasses want to behave like baby Nazis, it's fair they be called out for it. If that hurts their tender feelings, perhaps they should adjust their behavior.

[betsuni]

89. +1

[wnylib]

92. Actual Nazis did not begin with the "horrible things"

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that the world learned about later.

They began with normalizing and justifying the exclusion of Jews from various parts of society. They refined and built on the normalization of treating people as the enemy, the other. It escalated in increments. It began with simple things first. Each time an incremental escalation occurred, people acclimated themselves to it.

The way to prevent that is to call out the "othering" at the very start.

[keithbvadu2]

102. "Actual Nazis did horrible, horrible things to their fellow men and women."

They certainly did.

And they started off with minor actions such as these protesters are doing against the Jews.

You are falsely equating different time frames.

[Happy Hoosier]

37. I disagree.

Same hate, different year.

[TexasDem69]

3. I admit I'm a bit flummoxed by the actions of these students

It seems all a bit far, far Khmer Rouge left-ish. But maybe it’s just antisemitism?

[Ace Rothstein]

6. It is both.

[AnrothElf]

19. Both, yup. And naive and performative outrage to get laid.

[Rebl2]

56. Some of

the clips I see they are wearing masks I guess trying to hide their identity. I also have to wonder if there are instigators that are not students coming on campuses intermingling with students to protest.

[stopdiggin]

68. that's already been answered

a majority of the early arrests were identified as non-student. Situation may have changed - somewhat ... But want to make a wager .. ?

[sop]

101. "Outside agitators" was the term used during the anti-Vietnam War protests.

[Happy Hoosier]

40. You shouldn't be.

The the victim card narrative was always cover for some deep-seated hate for many of the these "protestors." And they're pulling some otherwise well-intentioned progressives down with them.

[Cha]

4. Yeah, fucking Authoritarian Anti Semitic Assholes..

Link to tweet

TY

[betsuni]

10. "a private, exclusive, no-Zionists-allowed community on your campus quad."

They should put up signs and check everyone's papers as well to make sure, you know, to maintain purity of the group.

Argh.

[Cha]

11. Yes , Obvious. Who the hell do they think they are?

[betsuni]

34. Well, on the video of some of them being arrested: "Why are you doing this to me?"

May as well have said, "Do you know who I am?"

[Cha]

75. Pity Wallow Harder protesters.

[sarisataka]

5. Your posts on this are radioactive

I wonder why?

[lapucelle]

9. I would imagine that some people might have me on "ignore".

[yardwork]

7. WTF indeed.

[betsuni]

8. Protesters demanding privacy.

[Cha]

12. ..

It's ludicrous

[betsuni]

32. Ludicrous. How dare obvious anti-Semitism be reported! Must be right-wing sources and

photos and videos are fake news!

[stopdiggin]

13. what a lot of people have been pointing to all along

freedom and rights for me and mine .....

[LexVegas]

14. Anti-Zionism is antisemitism. nt

[stopdiggin]

15. and is anybody else struck by the absolute CRINGE factor

"repeat after me" lockstep group compliance
while we all mouth the words of our 'teacher' - for all the world like a classroom of 5 yr olds!
( and even there you're going to have a couple that are picking their nose and thinking, "well, this is bulls***!" )
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

[AnrothElf]

18. Kinda slaps you in the face, so yeah... I was struck by that

[betsuni]

23. Yes!

Gives me the creeps, I couldn't do it.

[stopdiggin]

24. serious cringe

if I'm in that crowd ... major embarrassed!

[betsuni]

29. At first I read the OP as "We have Zombies who have entered the camp" and thought fine, as in any horror movie you

do what you must to survive, but mindlessly obeying orders (like a zombie) to keep out a few "Zionists" as if they're scary -- embarrassing.

Surprised it wasn't "We have Zionists who have entered the camp and that's not okay."

[AnrothElf]

16. Disturbing... the whole chanting hivemind mass insanity of it all.

[sop]

104. This has a certain Occupy Wall Street/Zuccotti Park sit-in vibe to it.

Many agreed with Occupy Wallstreet's message at the beginning, but their tactics put off a lot of people. In the end the whole thing went off the rails and the movement lost a lot of public support. The same thing may be happening here.

[AnrothElf]

105. Yah I was one of those people who was into OWS at first.

I was in Albq at the time, and attended every evening.

It went off the rails in a couple weeks there, splitting into two violently opposed groups and competing websites/FB/etc. Everyone's personal pet project was THE MOST IMPORTANT THING and nobody could agree on fuck-all.

The anti-GMO brigade was particularly virulent, there. As were the anti-colonialist brigade.

Then there were the anti-chemtrails fucknuts.

Both groups sucked, and I quit going.

[Mossfern]

17. Chilling!

I have no words.
I fear that there will be tragedies as a result of these "protests."

I'm waiting for the salute and the goosestepping.

[Mountainguy]

21. Cult shit

[Zeitghost]

22. The term

Is Judenrein.

These are modern day Nazis.

[Mz Pip]

25. These fanatics

are doing their bast to help Trump win. If they really cared about the Palestinians they would be putting together fundraisers rather than engaging in performative anti semitism.

[JohnSJ]

27. Columbia is on private property, and that means protesters do not

determine what happens on the campus

[Oopsie Daisy]

33. Disgusting, isn't it? I'm not surprised at all.

[TeamProg]

45. This:::::

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218887092

[lapucelle]

49. Sorry, "Quick look over here!" doesn't work on me.

[TeamProg]

50. Do the perspectives of your fellow humans and ideological house mates hold any weight?

If Yes, then check out the DU link, if No, then why should anyone anywhere care what anyone says?

Ya know what I mean?

[lapucelle]

74. Sometimes *people* who proffer unsolicited advice

would be better off simply taking it themselves.

[comradebillyboy]

57. Jewish students at Colombia aren't responsible for the

actions of a foreign government. American Jewish students and faculty aren't bombing Gaza. Don't scapegoat innocent people.

[TeamProg]

58. Well, of course not. Not sure how that relates through all of the back and forth, though. I am neither Muslim,

Palestinian, Israeli or Jewish, yet making my voice heard somehow makes me either oppostion or supporter.

[Cha]

88. Yeah, but the GD Anti Semitic Protesters don't

give a shit.

[ripcord]

71. That has absolutely nothing to do with US Jews

[Torchlight]

48. A level ugliness I'd hoped would not be met

If the protesters are being collectively manipulated by outside interests, it's being done very, very efficiently in this case.

[ExciteBike66]

51. Columbia has allowed the encampment to take a specific space for their protest (a whole Lawn)

Counterprotesters should not be allowed to mingle, is a safety issue.

[RandySF]

52. How about nobody throws punches?

[ExciteBike66]

54. If counter protestors do not mingle, punches would be tough.

Anyway, those are the rules according to columbia for using their private property.

Have punches been thrown on campus, or was it off campus?

[ripcord]

63. Can you show me where Columbia gave permission for these groups to have exclusive use of the quad?

Them taking it over without permission is not the same thing.

[ExciteBike66]

76. There was a story about a business school professor who wanted to enter the protest area...

The university told him he couldn't enter, and that he had to use a counter- protest area instead to keep the sides separate. That fact leads me to believe columbia allows the camp to exist in a certain area while keeping others out.

Is a common thing with protests, keeping the sides separate.

[stopdiggin]

70. the University has said that "Zionist" cannot mingle?

please provide that statement - I'd really like to see ...

[ExciteBike66]

77. There is a business school professor who wanted to mingle

And he was denied by the university.

The school told him to use a counter- protest area instead.

[stopdiggin]

72. a 'safety issue' adopted (and enforced) entirely at the hands of

a single entity. Show me where Columbia has endorsed this 'force out' safety measure.

[ExciteBike66]

80. Google Shai Davidai

He is a counter protestor who attempted to enter the camp, but was turned away by the school itself.

[lapucelle]

78. Columbia hasn't "allowed the encampment to take a specific space for their protest".

That's misinformation. Let's nip it in the bud before it becomes disinformation.

Columbia University President Minouche Shafik, in a letter to the NYPD, authorized the department to clear an encampment of protesters from its campus, saying the group had violated school policy and created an “harassing and intimidating environment.”

“This group has been informed numerous times and in writing that they are not permitted to occupy this space, are in violation of the University’s rules and policies and must disperse,” Shafik wrote in her letter to police. “All University students participating in the encampment have been informed they are suspended.” “The continued encampment raises safety concerns for the individuals involved and the entire community,” she added.

snip==========================

“Protests have a storied history at Columbia and are an essential component of free speech in America and on our campus,” she said, adding, “The current encampment violates all of the new policies, severely disrupts campus life, and creates a harassing and intimidating environment for many of our students.”

https://ny1.com/nyc/manhattan/news/2024/04/18/columbia-authorizes-nypd-to-clear-protest-encampment-on-campus

[ExciteBike66]

79. Actually, the university is keeping counter protestors out...

Professor Shai Davidai was notallowed to enter the camp, by the university itself. The school told him to use a counter protest space instead. This is tacit agreement that the camp is a protest in a specific spot.

[lapucelle]

85. There is no "tacit agreement" between the Columbia University and the encampment trespassers.

That's why anti-*Zionist* encampers were arrested on Thursday and why there is a heavy police presence outside the gates of the University today.

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Protests at Columbia and other schools escalate

Updated 4:11 p.m. ET, April 23, 2024


Columbia University officials warn ongoing encampment is in violation of university rules

Columbia University officials warned Tuesday that the ongoing encampment is in violation of university rules — but school leaders have not given specifics on disciplinary actions.

“The safety of our community is our number one priority,” university spokesperson Ben Chang said in a press conference Tuesday afternoon. “That includes the safety of the encampment that continues to grow. We are watching this closely.”

University officials met with student organizers until 2 am ET Tuesday to discuss the situation, Chang said. “Columbia students have the right to protest but they are not allowed to disrupt campus life or harass and intimidate fellow students and members of our community," he added.

https://www.cnn.com/business/live-news/columbia-yale-student-protests-4-23-24/index.html

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Like I said, let's stop the misinformation before it becomes disinformation

[ExciteBike66]

86. This discussion is about who is keeping pro Israel folks out.

If you look up what the school did to professor Davidai, it is clear the school is keeping them out (for safety reasons, which is sensible policy for any protest).

[lapucelle]

87. This discussion is about the false claim

that Columbia University has allocated the quad to anti-*Zionist* encampers.



----------------------------------------



Anti-*Zionist* Karen with the megaphone is very concerned about her privacy, despite having set up her brand new Patagonia tent smack in the middle of the University commons. Given the face coverings, it appears that many of them are concerned about *privacy*.

[ExciteBike66]

90. And columbia itself had kept non protesters away.

That's the answer to the OP.

[Mossfern]

94. Were the Jewish students counter protesters

or were they merely Jewish. Were they challenging the "in" group?
Do you have any information regarding this?

Imagine yourself in this situation: You see a large gathering of people. You're curious as to what's going on.
You walk toward the group. Suddenly there are chants about preventing you from approaching and actions
to block you.

How do you feel?

Be honest.

[Nanjeanne]

96. I'll be brave and respond 'cause I do like dialogue with you even though we disagree on much about this situation.

If I were just a student curious about what the gathering was - I'd probably ask what is happening and engage if I could about what they are gathering for. I wouldn't argue if I were just curious. I wouldn't respond negatively if I were just curious.

If I already knew what they were gathering for and I expected some kind of reaction - I'd honestly feel uncomfortable by the chants preventing me from approaching and actions to block me. And I'd probably turn around and be on my way.

Honestly. I did not find anything in that video to be threatening or fearful. Uncomfortable yes. But then, if I didn't agree with what this group of protestors were into - I probably would join some counter protest somewhere else. I did a helluva lot of anti war and women's lib protesting during my college years - I never found it made much sense to engage with those who felt otherwise. Dialogue with people who felt differently was different. But protest marches, sit-ins, demonstrations wasn't usually the place for that.

[Mossfern]

99. Thank you for being brave! Honestly.

I would feel uncomfortable by being "othered", and the chanting and zombie like actions of the followers would really freak me out.

I too went to many anti-war protests in the early 1970's - was tear gassed - not a pleasant experience - went to the Grand Central Station Yip-in (1968) and managed to get out just as the police were getting into formation to attack the demonstrators, THAT was frightening

[ExciteBike66]

100. The only incident i have actually seen reported on is the professor, Shai Davidai

His specific goal was to enter the camp to counter protest, and columbia said no.

Since the camp is on a grass area of the quad, there isno reason for non- campers to be there, it's not blocking anyone's way to class.

[Mossfern]

103. So you see the actions of creating a human chain and chanting

is totally appropriate to prevent anyone from "invading," especially if they may be an evil "Zionist."
Were the students who were blocked out carrying signs, were they chanting, or were the excluded merely because one of them identified as Jewish?

[ExciteBike66]

106. Non- campers trying to enter the camp?

Its actually a good idea to keep them out of the camp. They have the rest of the campus to counter- protest. If they want to join the camp, then there is a process for that. There are jews in the camp, you know. Probably not zionists, though.

[Mossfern]

107. Were the students protesting?

I just don't understand.
It's not like "the enemy." I didn't read anything in the article saying that they were counter protesters.
Is this a black or white situation "either yer with us or again' us" mentality?

Do the Jewish people in the camp think that Israel has no right to exist as a Jewish state - if not, then they are also Zionists.

Maybe have a teach-in to explain exactly what a Zionist is.

[ExciteBike66]

108. I can't comment on the groups criteria for being a part of the camp

But the fact that the they have criteria means they will bar those who do not agree with them. It seems like good policy to separate those who agree from those who do not (who can still be nearby, just not IN the camp, plenty of space on that quad if you look from the air). It's normal to keep protests separate from non- protestors and or counter protestors.

[Mossfern]

109. I'd love to know what the critera are.

It's almost as if they are acting as a separate exclusive entity within the confines of the campus.
Who are the people making the rules? Does the administration of the University have a say in their conduct?

Is there a separate area for students to assemble who are not a part of this exclusive group?

Will they establish borders that are protected?

This seems very Orwellian to me.

[ExciteBike66]

110. That's odd that it would seem orwellian.

I think it is understandable that they have rules about who can join the camp. I mean, what if they let someone in who starts yelling anti Semitic stuff? I would expect any protest group to expel someone caught doing that, which implies they can choose who joins and who doesn't.

Check out an aerial picture, the camp takes up one portion of a much larger quad.

[Mossfern]

111. So they are a separate entity given authority by the administration of Columbia?

Your comment about "letting someone who starts yelling antisemitic stuff" is laughable, especially since it was Jewish people whom they were excluding according to this article. Did everyone in the camp need to sign a pledge or take an oath of behavior?

How different is it from the He-man Women Haters club?

SMH - maybe I'm just too old....

[ExciteBike66]

112. There are jews in the camp, so they are not excluded based on ethnicity...

Do they have to let in every Jewish person? My example was just a hypothetical showing they may want to keep certain people out who do not share the beliefs of the protest.

Columbia did not sanction the camp, but it is also excluding people like Shai Davidai, who wanted to counter protest inside the camp. In that sense, columbia agrees with me that the two sides should not mingle.

As for an anti woman group, if they did have a protest, it would be safer not to let counter protestors mingle. Seems pretty clear to me.

I really don't understand why you think it would be strange for a group of protestors to exclude people who don't agree with their protest from the camp. I mean, I'm pretty sure a pro-israel protest would be better off not allowing pro-palestinians to mingle. Columbia has areas for counter protest, for safety reasons.

[Mossfern]

113. Call me "Pollyanna"

I think that dialogue and discussion is more fruitful than protests.

BTW the He-man Women Haters Club is in reference to this:
https://www.tiktok.com/@ourgangdaily/video/7185328229585014062?lang=en

Darla had the right idea.

[ExciteBike66]

115. I think their goal is dialogue with the university, not with supporters of Israel.

Their stated goal is to convince the school to divest any investments that benefit the war in gaza.

I'm not sure if they are doing any outreach to individual people or other groups.

I agree that discussion is useful, but there is a long history of protests and counter protests and separation of those two is usually the norm.

[ripcord]

120. I would have kept walking, not stopped for their human chain

But then I'm an asshole sometimes.

[Prairie Gates]

53. Didn't these fools learn from the Safe Space We Need Some Muscle prof at Missouri?

I believe she was relieved of her duties after that, though I guess she found something new.

[madaboutharry]

55. These protestors are cowards and frauds.

This is more about anarchy, revolution, and hate for western democracy. These protestors have no knowledge of middle eastern history. They believe history is the biased propaganda they see on TikTok. They are a lot like the students back in the 80's who had posters of Che Guevara hanging in their dorm rooms. They thought they were so cool.
Well worn old antisemitic tropes about Jews, money, and power dovetail into their wheelhouse. IMO, the war in Gaza is a convenient springboard to stage disruptive protests.
Their cowardice is evidence by their hiding behind masks left over from the Covid pandemic, masks they take out solely to hide their identity at the protests they believe bestows virtue and righteousness upon them.
What they are is self-righteous antisemites. And that goes for self-loathing Jews who are unable to see the difference between legitimate criticism and hate.

[betsuni]

65. NYU protesters had mass-produced signs: Capitalism is deadly, Dismantle the Police State.

Agree it's a vague hodgepodge of anarchy, revolution, West bad.

[Fla Dem]

64. Very unnerving and upsetting.

[Nanjeanne]

82. That is certainly ugly. While I think students have the right to protest - I'm not sure what their right to privacy is.

So keeping someone out because they are a Zionist is definitely disgraceful. But I'd still like to know the context - it was posted on April 21 but the same video is posted also on April 22 saying it happened that night. And it was filmed by an undergrad who said she was doing nothing but wearing a Jewish star around her neck. While so many of the protestors are Jewish - getting bent out of shape because someone was wearing a Jewish star is shameful but also strange. Was there any indication that this (these) students were going to engage in counter-protest? Provocation? Don't know. But in listening to the video there is dialogue - they protestors ask that these people leave and respect their privacy. It certainly isn't threatening other than there are more of the Pro Palestinian protestors than these students who are trying to enter the encampment. And the protestors do seem rather robotlike in their linking of arms and "repeat after me" . . . "we are going to form a human chain . . . to protect our privacy . . . and try to disrupt our community". But then I'm sure when I was in college at sit-ins I probably sounded a bit cult like to some as well.

Making someone feel unsafe is not a good thing. So bad on those who made this (these) students feel threatened. But they engaged in dialogue and at any time could simply have walked away. This really doesn't rise to the level of terror that seems to be the reason the tweeter is posting it.

My opinion - but as a child of the 60s I certainly participated in enough protests and felt much more fear from counter Vietnam protestors and anti-choice protestors.

[Mossfern]

95. Did the excluded students identify as Zionists?

Did they challenge or threaten the group gathered?
If not, then this is kind of blaming the victim.

[Nanjeanne]

97. I can't really tell from the video really much but I don't think anyone was a "victim". Victim to me implies something

much worse than what I can tell in that video.

The student wants to gain access to an area. The protestors don't want them to. Probably not something that should have happened. But certainly doesn't rise to the level of victim and aggressor. At least not to me.

[Mossfern]

98. I meant it as figurative

not literal.

[DFW]

121. That was at Columbia?

It sounds more like something I'd expect to hear during a raid on a Hezbollah training installation.