So they want to find Trump $1000 for gag order violations?

[orangecrush]

It's a joke, right?

Same as telling him there's no punishment, just keep doing it.

[Ocelot II]

1. Unfortunately that's the maximum fine allowed in NY courts.

[getagrip_already]

3. well, that or jail....

he can do either or both. up to 30 days.

[orangecrush]

7. I can dream

I guess.

[orangecrush]

6. Ok didn't know that

I guess jail time is also an option, but will probably not see that.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

16. Not this time,

the prosecution is making it clear that they're not asking for jail time............yet, but they do want the judge to find Been-A-Dick Donald in contempt and assign fines of $1000.00 per violation.

MSNBC is reporting that the judge is becoming pissed at Been-A-Dick's lawyer.

[orangecrush]

17. Thanks

I would love to see him in a holding cell with 15 or so badasses.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

19. You and me both,

and it possibly may happen if Been-A-Dick keeps up his crap.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

12. They can't lock him up for contempt?

I saw one lawyer on the tv machine say give him 30 days suspended. (I would suspend 29 days and let him cool his heels in the clink for 24 hours or maybe a day behind bars and let him out at 11 pm.)

I would add, order the secret service management make a plan to facilitate a day or two in the cell in the event that happens.

[onenote]

25. Believe it or not, the DA and the judge know more about these situations are handled than anyone here on DU

and more than any TV talking head.

Judges virtually never jail someone the first time they are accused by the prosecution of violating a gag order, particularly when the violation did not disrupt the trial in front of a jury. Which is why Bragg didn't ask for jail time -- the judge would not be happy if he thought Bragg was over-reaching.

But as I've noted previously, Bragg and the judge following standard practice will undoubtedly be criticized sharply by some who mistakenly think that anyone else would be jailed.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

36. MSM talking heads keep bringing up jail time

They either don't know or don't care that jail time is NOT being requested by the DA - yet.

Drama queens and instigators. They're everywhere.

[Emile]

2. The only thing that will work is to take away his

courthouse microphone and lock him up in the courthouse cell until the trial is over.

[Silent Type]

4. That'll show him.

[we can do it]

8. Unfortunately that's the maximum fine allowed in NY courts.

[triron]

5. HUGE mistake.

[we can do it]

9. Unfortunately that's the maximum fine allowed in NY courts.

[Walleye]

11. Maybe they needed to do that as a first offense so they can put him in jail next time

[Emile]

21. Exactly

[bearsfootball516]

10. It's the max allowed.

[unblock]

13. He was fined $10k in October

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-civil-fraud-trial-10-25-23/h_670adfc1957702cd42dae0871e8c29fb

[Emile]

22. But that's more than the maximum fine allowed in NY courts.

according to some people.

[unblock]

24. $1000 per violation. Could be 10 violations?

[Emile]

28. Article doesn't show 10 violations.

[sl8]

29. According to Reuters, prosecutors asked for a $10,000 fine this time, too.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/judge-consider-gag-order-violations-trump-hush-money-trial-2024-04-23/

[onenote]

31. This was $10,000 for 10 violations at $1000 per violation

That's the per violation limit in a criminal case. There is no limit in a civil case. Just a coincidence that in the civil case Judge Engoron imposed a $10K fine.

[sl8]

35. That helps, thanks for the clarification. nt

[onenote]

30. Different rules for civil trials than criminal trials. No limit on penalty in former.

This article will help explain the different types of contempt proceedings and penalties.

https://www.justsecurity.org/94878/why-trump-will-likely-be-held-in-contempt-and-what-then/

[getagrip_already]

14. just got interesting....

from cnn....

Judge wants to hear assertion under oath that Trump believed he wasn't violating gag order

Judge Juan Merchan said he wants to hear an assertion under oath that Donald Trump believed he wasn't violating the gag order when he made the posts in question.

Under oath means he can find he lied. Under oath. Or if he says he defied the order, take appropriate action. Or he can take the fifth. Then the judge can rule anyway.

[orangecrush]

18. REAL INTERESTING

Thanks!

[Happy Hoosier]

15. It's the law. NT

[Srkdqltr]

20. Watch. He will fire his lawyer. Delay, delay.

[republianmushroom]

23. Remember that myth, "no one is above the law".

[onenote]

32. Are you suggesting that if it was anyone else the judge would ignore the law and impose a penalty that goes beyond what

the statute permits or what the prosecutor has requested?

[Mme. Defarge]

26. Maybe fines should be issued on a sliding scale

based on a defendant’s ability to pay?

[onenote]

33. I doubt the law is going to be changed, and certainly not while this trial is ongoing.

[sl8]

27. Where did you see that? I'm seeing that prosecutors asked for a $10,000 fine.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/judge-consider-gag-order-violations-trump-hush-money-trial-2024-04-23/

[onenote]

34. The prosecutors allege 10 separate violations and are seeking the maximum $1000 fine for each violation

Thus, they are asking for $10,000. When they first moved for sanctions, they only identified three violations and asked for $3000.

[sl8]

37. Thank you. nt

[orangecrush]

39. I thought I saw $1,000

On CNN.

Guess I was wrong.

Still, $10,000 is an invitation.

[sl8]

41. You were right about the individual fines. Turns out it was ten $1000 fines the prosecutors asked for. nt

[onenote]

38. There seems to be confusion over the way NY law treats contempt. This article will help clear things up.

https://www.justsecurity.org/94878/why-trump-will-likely-be-held-in-contempt-and-what-then/

[Conjuay]

40. "Just put it on my tab"

N/a

[FlyingPiggy]

42. That's insulting to the american people. ABSOLUTELY NO ONE would have been fined for breaking a gag order

We would have been arrested. Marchan is a weak judge!!!

[Caliman73]

43. That is the maximum financial penalty.

Before any non-financial penalty is given, they have to impose the maximum financial penalty.

They aren't doing it to be lenient. They are doing it to ensure against appeal.