Trump is not going to make it through this trial

[Johnny2X2X]

Ive been saying this since last week. He’s an unhealthy old man. And he’s mentally unstable. He’s looking worse every day and it’s just started. He cancelled his NC rally this weekend to rest. Sitting there for hours a day not in control is killing him.

He’s either going to have a real health crisis that will suspend the trial or he’s going to fake one. This is supposed to go on for 6 weeks, no way he makes it through a couple weeks of this. It’s torture for him physically and psychologically. If he’s soiling his diapers daily without changing he’ll get an infection.

The media is starting to pick up on this now too. He looked and moved like a broken man today.

[msongs]

1. to be fair, sitting there for hours is a form of rest lol nt

[Irish_Dem]

6. Not for Trump. It is very stressful.

He is not surrounded by his sycophants always building him up.
Bringing him constant snacks and Diet Cokes.

Doing exactly what he wants to do when he wants to do it.
Being in control, telling everyone else what to do every minute of the day.

Other people are in control now. Telling him what to do.
Even when to sit and stand.

He is bored, his usual outlets, TV, golf, rage tweeting, all curtailed.

Not able to do his usual drugs, chase after women.

Having to listen to people talk about him in negative ways.
Listening to people tell the truth about his many crimes.
Facing possible jail.
Embarrassment, humiliation.

This is not rest for someone like Trump.

[bhikkhu]

32. Also worth mentioning, he's never had a job in his life

He's never had to go to work and sit at a desk for 8 hours, with just one break. It can become second nature if you've gotten used to it, but I think most people under-estimate how hard it really is for someone who never had to do it, who never had to develop any kind of self-discipline or patience.

[Irish_Dem]

59. Good points. He is utterly lazy with no self discipline.

No patience or delayed gratification.

So the courtroom must feel like torture to him.

[Johnny2X2X]

60. Discipline

He has no self or any other kind of discipline. The last time he had an ounce of discippline wsa when he was a teenager and got sent away to military school.

As President, he didn't have the discipline to read national security reports, he made them make them 1 page with pictures and a few key words. This is a man who was born rich, never had to apply himself, had his daddy buy his way into college, and then inherited what would be $12 Billion in real estate from his father when he died. He doesn't read at all. And so his entire adult life has been spent partying and then surrounding hyimself with yes men to help him scam. About the only discipline he's shown as an adult is the discipline to become a master at cheating and stealing from his business partners.

And so he ran for office and became addicted to the adoring fans. He cheated his way into office aeven though he didn't really want the job. But once he was president, he was addicted to the power. Since then he's just crewated this coccoon around himself. All e hears all day long is how great he is. He made it a requirement for people to stand and applaud whenever he enters a room.

For him to be sitting there hearing the worst of his deeds and how most of the world views him is worse than water boarding him. For him to not have any authority in that room is killing him, every minute seems like an hour, every hour an eternity. Trying to fall asleep is an attempt to escape. Now I don't know if he will get convicted, but I do know that sitting in the court day after day for weeks is a little bit of justice for the country as I know he's suffering from it immensly.

[Irish_Dem]

62. Excellent comments.

I agree with everything you say.

Trump is being punished every day at the trial.

[keithbvadu2]

78. No cellphone/tweeting is probably his greatest immediate frustration.

[Irish_Dem]

85. Yes narcissists have to keep spouting their self aggrandizing word salad, over and over.

They must convince everyone that they are so special and that is why they are victims.

[Mickju]

83. And yet it isn't nearly enough punishment.

[Irish_Dem]

86. Of course not.

Hard to imagine what punishment would be adequate for his many crimes against other Americans and our country.

[IbogaProject]

10. Yep rest for the rest of us

I'm quite content the spoiled brat is having a tough time with the risks of much worse ahead.

[brush]

11. Normally, but not if you're sitting for hours in your own sh_t.

I pity the people in the room who are within sniffing distance.

[Captain Zero]

25. He is at increased risk of a sepsis

from sitting in his adult diaper full of diddly squat.

[Irish_Dem]

87. Yes usually his staff wash him off regularly and change his diaper.

[Trueblue Texan]

27. To some people, sitting and doing nothing is real torture...

It is to me.

[PatrickforB]

51. No, with all respect, I am in my sixties, and when I sit too long in an uncomfortable chair, I get what my

father used to call, 'butt-itis.' Your butt just starts to ache and you long to stand and stretch, maybe walk a bit. To sit in a chair for hours at a time without the freedom to stand up and walk around can be real torture.

Now, I think Trump is completely odious and too dangerous to be walking around free, he really is, but I can definitely feel some compassion about the physical discomfort. He bears a huge karmic burden and the weight of it is clearly tearing him apart. It is painful to watch, and it would be a mercy if the trial went quickly so he can rest in a confined space, assuming there will be some incarceration.

But the OP is right. This whole thing is taking a horrible toll on him. Again, it is painful to watch. But karma is taking its terrible course. A lesson for all of us, I think, because we all have faults, and we must fight against becoming a cruel society. We already have become so, but we here at DU can offer hope to the country by not being that way.

I do not feel sorry for Trump because he must go through this. And he really should be locked up for the good of all of us, because I do not think restorative justice can work around his personality disorder.

The person behind all this is Putin. Russia interfered in our election, otherwise Hillary Clinton surely would have won. Trump hurt us badly because he is by nature a divider, and by dividing us, he figures deep down he can come out on top. It worked for too long and too many people died. He was a miserable president, hurt this republic deeply and cannot be allowed near the White House ever again. We must as a society learn this lesson.

We must.

[dutch777]

2. Yeah, but he can't look weak to the faithful so real or faked med issue won't be a good look. Hoping for real!

[captain queeg]

3. I agree, he won't make it 6 weeks

He’ll try to hang on for awhile to preserve his tough guy persona. But after awhile the negative press will make him realize it’s not worth it.

[BootinUp]

4. Noted! Now, lets get on with it. nt

[IbogaProject]

5. If he was truely innocent it wouldn't habr gotten this far

He's hoping for a hung jury or a mistrial which could lead to a retrial.

[Irish_Dem]

8. If he can delay it and get into the WH, he has many levers of power to push.

If a new trial is set, Trump will refuse to show up.
The judge will not send a sheriff to the WH to arrest POTUS.

[OAITW r.2.0]

7. Sell by date - 8/4/2024.

Not sure why, but I think the legal pressure, the polling, the age, and the reality of his legacy all catches up with him. Perhaps a sudden death. Oh well.

Best case is he bing-bongs on through the 2024 election. Loses, again, by a lot. Then on to the real crimes against the US - stolen TS documents!

On edit: Change OP subject from Done to Sell By.

[ALBliberal]

23. My daughter's bday! I like it!

[Marcuse]

37. Epstein: The one reason not to revoke his bail. They would wave the bloody shirt.

Perhaps…

[central scrutinizer]

9. There are three more criminal trials in his future.

C’mon, big guy, cowboy up!

[brewens]

12. Trump is usually only seen on his terms. A guy in his condition can do a number of things to get in front of

a crowd for an hour or two and make it through but he hasn't looked well doing that for a while.

However he manages his bowel control or lack thereof during the day is eliminated for him. That could be YUGE! We know what a loaded diaper does to a toddler! LOL

Possible medications he might be on could be really screwing him. If he's on any of those drugs they give to dementia patients, the side effects are horrible.

He's a prime candidate for fatty liver disease with his diet. That fits some of what we see from him too.

[TomDaisy]

20. Trump taxis the plane up to the stage, clings to the podium for 90 minutes, then back to the plane

and home.

He doesn't do retail politics. Golfing is more an exercise in "golf cart riding."

[onecaliberal]

38. For all the reasons you named I do not think he can make it all the way through either.

The crisis will have to be real because a fake one will not be tolerated by the judge who has already had it them.

[Kennah]

13. Please don't say that. I want him alive and in prison until death.

[RandomNumbers]

72. While I would prefer a lengthy term in an uncomfortable prison,

I would be satisfied for him to "just go away" as quickly as possible.

If it means we don't hear any more of his nonsense and ratf*cking.

That said, of course it needs to happen at an appropriate time to make the election completely unsalvageable for the GQP. Of course they are doing an excellent job handling that on other fronts anyway. (see: women having rights taken away; general stupidity.)

[LaMouffette]

14. He has the exhausted, angry, defeated, but defiant look of a guilty conman who thought he was too clever to ever

be caught, but who has finally been bit in the ass by Reality, and boy, do I feel sorry for Reality.

[Nictuku]

15. Now why did you have to go and Cheer Me Up so? One Can Only Hope

.... every Day I Hope His Evil Catches Up With Him. In Every Way.

[James48]

16. I'm ok with that.

Ready for some more popcorn?

[peacebuzzard]

17. exactly! we don't know how but he will not sustain this much longer.

physically unfit, mentally defeated.

[TomDaisy]

18. they are forcing him to be in court during Executive Time

[WheelWalker]

19. Karma- it's not just a good idea, it's the law.

[TomDaisy]

21. collapsing during the trial is not going to be a good look for him after he mocked Hillary

for being unsteady at 9/11 Memorial when she had the flu.

[Upthevibe]

73. TomDaisy.............

Collapsing during the trial would be ideal. It would show how weak he is and that would be a horrible look.

I think I prefer he not die because his base would make him a martyr. I'd love (as I'm sure we all would) for him to lose in a landslide and take many other Republicans with him. This is my greatest wish....

[keithbvadu2]

80. Hillary managed 11 hours under interrogation without napping. Has Nodfather made it?

https://www.google.com/search?q=hillary+stamina&rlz=1C1AWUC_enUS1014US1023&oq=hillary+stamina&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCjE5NDgxajBqMTWoAgiwAgE&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[Arthur_Frain]

22. Don't tease me.....

nt

[ITAL]

24. I'll believe it when I see it

People have been predicting he'd stroke out any day now for about 6 years.

[shrike3]

28. I'm with you. n/t

[Wounded Bear]

26. This is a comeuppance he should have had 20-30 years ago...

privileged old asshole that he is.

[kwijybo]

29. He's lasted longer than I thought he would

I expected him to start freaking and throwing a fit when the Judge was reading the tweets. "'fuck that treasonous orange shitgibbon and the dead ferret on his head" should have been the trigger...

[Joinfortmill]

30. Agree. His eyes looked really bad.

Trial might kill him.

[niyad]

46. One dares to hope!!!

[lastlib]

31. This trial could be reaching a conclusion right around his birthday.......

It would be REAL SWEET if the jury could give him a birthday present of "GUILTY!"

[niyad]

47. Actually, he could give ME a birthday present!!! I would be EVER

so grateful, you F'n TRAITOR**. Please note that my birthday is next week.

[Initech]

33. As we've seen, he'll make any excuse to get out of doing the right thing.

And the right wing media will kiss his ass and make excuses for him time and time again, because they want power and that's it. They are addicted to power.

[sybylla]

34. I make it a habit never to underestimate the longevity of assholes.

Unfortunately, the odds along with Murphy's Law suggest he's going to be just fine.

[Nasruddin]

43. A Natural Law

There's some underlying natural law at work here, like Keynes' "The market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent."

[AnrothElf]

35. LOL... " If he's soiling his diapers daily without changing he'll get an infection."

[prodigitalson]

36. I don't disagree with any of that.Ill add that firing all the lawyers is up his sleeve

[PortTack]

39. Agree....Rachael Maddow said he is thinner than she had seen him in a while. Not good

Althou wasn’t the NC rally called off. because of bad weather?

[meadowlander]

42. He's probably on Ozempic to slim down for the campaign.

[PortTack]

54. Probably..that stuff will kill ya too. ppl as unhealthy as he is shouldn't be taking it

[hlthe2b]

56. Not infrequently results in gastric paresis-- resulting in a lot of cramping and discomfort...

A really bad combination for him--especially now.

[no_hypocrisy]

57. I theorized encopresis as well.

[keithbvadu2]

81. Did it rain as hard in NC as it did when Trump refused to honor American WWl GIs in a French cemetery?

[58Sunliner]

40. I'm sure he is acting the part of a victim. He's manipulative.

As for his diaper, he gets breaks. It doesn't take long to change a diaper. Granted, he has a giant ass that needs a lot of wiping, but he could hire a health aid if needed. The court would probably allow for extra time. All the lawyer has to do is ask. That I'd like to hear. LOL. He managed as president. I thought he might possibly have a drug related psychotic break. That would be entertaining.

[3Hotdogs]

45. If his diaper needs to be changed, I doubt the court has a special room for diaper changes.

The evidence should be in the toilet waste baskets.

Unless someone carries a plastic bag to put his soiled diapers in.


Of course, secret service will not allow anyone in the toilet with him.

[58Sunliner]

63. secret service will not allow anyone in the toilet with him.-Yep.

He doesn't need a special room, just a bathroom with a handicap stall.

[PCIntern]

68. All presidential waste is isolated if I recall.correctly

It is an issue from what I’ve read over the years.

[58Sunliner]

92. Really. Didn't know that!

[PCIntern]

94. Years ago, I read that in context of foreign powers collecting fecal material

from the drains and analyzing it for whatever.

[keithbvadu2]

82. Hire a health aid?... Lindsey G would do it for free.

[58Sunliner]

91. LOL. Let Madge apply the butt cream.

[Orrex]

41. Maybe he'll just fucking die already

That would be a tragedy, to be sure.

[niyad]

48. Are you trying to cheer me up???

[TeamProg]

44. Excuses R Us (TrumpCo). If he's too sick for trial, NO WAY CAN HE BE POTUS! So,

he might have to hang in there.

[Layzeebeaver]

49. Let him rot in plain sight.

And sell the dvds to the maga crowd.

“I’d buy that for a dollar!” - as someone said in robocop.

[keithbvadu2]

50. Well, he does have his power naps to help him. (low power)

[applegrove]

52. He was in NC when they had to cancel due to a storm.

I think he was at the airport there. But yes... not having a megaphone in the courthouse is going to drive him crazy.

[gfwzig]

53. Be careful what you wish for,, any other repug will get more votes than tRump, TRUMP MUST BE THE REPUG NOMINEE.....

[raccoon]

55. "Tis a consummation devoutly to be wished."

[GreenWave]

58. Oh powerful celestial deities, if you are listening...

[Hotler]

61. " It's torture for him". Good. nt

[LiberalFighter]

64. Will his children take time to be with him when he is not in court?

Or will they be scared to be near him?

[Johnny2X2X]

65. Probably scared of the smell

One thing I can guarantee you is that Trump has never spent any time with his grandchildren. Probably doesn't even know their names and certainly has never once picked them up or hugged them.

His daughter was asked about a time when her dad was there for her, all she could come up with is that he called her on the phone when her college roommate committed suicide. That was her one caring moment he showed to his daughter. That's the Trumps for you, their entire lives are about themselves, not a moment of tenderness for anyone, inclkuding their own children.

[Dulcinea]

88. I doubt it.

They're not in court with him. Nobody cares about him. They're probably waiting for him to die like the rest of us. These are people who will fight at the casket over their inheritances.

[flying_wahini]

66. Fingers crossed.

[Diraven]

67. If he thinks it's going badly

He'll probably start overtly threatening the judge, prosecution, witnesses, jury, and their families with revenge when he becomes president.

[Shermann]

69. Send Trump cardboard cutouts to the rallies

They can play his talking points from a recording. Live bands do this all the time, nobody can tell the difference.

[Woodwizard]

70. I hope so.

He has to be seething that he has to be on a schedule that is not his own.

A full blown tantrum of full indignant narcissistic fury that he has to deal with this HOAX AND WITCH HUNT!!!!!!!!!

[usonian]

71. He hasn't had ANYONE tell him what to do or say, nor hold him accountable.

He has skirted the law, bought off everyone, cheated, trashed laws (emoluments? ), plotted to overthrow a legitimate election, you name it, intimidated and relied upon spineless law enforcement officials to let his biggest crimes slide.


Only a few have stood up to his crimes, and for justice.

Now, he has to sit still, STFU for long periods, and feel humiliated for the first time in a situation with real consequences, and vent his rage only in very limited moments, and in proscribed ways.

His Kristian Kamikaze KoolAid army is nowhere to be seen.

The rage must be building like a nuclear volcano.

[GenThePerservering]

74. Nothing spectacular is going to happen

he'll just shuffle into court every day, whine and rage tweet every night, sleep, snort and fart and rack up gag order violation fines.

Sitting in that chair is no hardship - everyone gets breaks and he lives a privileged life.

My prediction is people will get tired of this trial, his whining, go on to other things and the trial will drag on until it nears the end when people check in again.

[Traildogbob]

76. He will not make it

Through a dozen viewings of the NABTU political add just shown on Lawrence. That is powerful, with the most evil mug shots of Trump there are.
Outstanding add. Middle Class Power!!

[lindysalsagal]

79. They're putting his old flame on the witness stand tomorrow. Gonna be fun!

He's gonna go postal.

[Johnny2X2X]

89. As I understand it

Today is the first day of a full day in court. He’s going to be in court for several hours today instead of just the half days they e been doing so far.

[mackdaddy]

84. I have thought he would stroke out for some time.

I was wondering if he would last long enough to still be on the ballot for November, or if the Repubs will put on a replacement in time.

[Vinca]

90. He was back to his usual obnoxious self this morning. He left Trump Tower and went to

a construction site to show the world how much the workers love him despite the union's endorsement of Biden. When asked about Pecker, he only will say "He's a nice guy." Either Pecker has the real goods on Trump locked in a safe or it's a code phrase like "See you next Tuesday."

[Johnny2X2X]

93. Today so far has to be devastating for him

It's Pecker again, but this time it's all about Karen McDougal and her payoff just before the election to keep quiet.

[Bettie]

95. Sure he is

he's a cockroach in human form. Nearly impossible to get rid of him.

[Aristus]

96. Shit. I WISH!

I was sure, in 2016, that he wouldn't make it through four years of the stresses that come with the Presidency. I was wrong. I thought he wouldn't make it through the stresses of being a loser. Yet here we are.

The goddamned alley cat has nine lives. We'll never be rid of his punk ass.