five dead in OK mass shooting

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

A man killed his wife and three of his children in an apparent murder-suicide mass shooting at a home in Oklahoma, according to police.

The only survivor was the 10-year-old son who was asleep during the shootings, Oklahoma City police said. The 10-year-old called 911 Monday morning and said "everyone inside the house appeared to be dead," police said at a news conference Tuesday.

Police said they believe Jonathon Candy, 42, "became involved in an altercation" with his wife, 39-year-old Lindsay Candy, and then shot her multiple times.

Jonathon Candy then "systematically" went through the home, shooting and killing three of their children: 18-year-old Dylan, 14-year-old Ethan and 12-year-old Lucas, according to police.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/man-kills-wife-3-kids-in-mass-shooting-10-year-old-survivor-calls-911/ar-AA1nt0zF

[BigmanPigman]

1. Oh no, that poor kid!

[Grins]

34. Decades of therapy. NM

[North Shore Chicago]

2. A tragedy

upon tragedy upon tragedy. When it stops nobody knows.

[ForgedCrank]

91. It stops

just as soon as the world is free of defective humans.

[raccoon]

3. I bet that man was an abuser from the word go.

[Walleye]

4. And I bet he said he bought his gun to defend his home and family

[TexasDem69]

26. I bet you're engaging in rank speculation

[Think. Again.]

39. That's what "I bet" means.

[TexasDem69]

49. Well know it's not

But good try

[Think. Again.]

56. Yeah, it is.

[Doc Sportello]

102. "Know" it's not?

Not such a good try.

[Mysterian]

5. The nation will be drowned in blood until we can pass common sense gun regulations

which will not happen until there are not enough gullible idiots voting republican to hold majorities.

[MichMan]

6. What common sense gun regulations would have prevented this one?

[Mysterian]

7. Oh, gee, I don't know....

maybe some regulation like the rest of the civilized world, where gun crime is a small fraction of what we suffer in the USA.

[Mountainguy]

9. Like what?

What gun law could have kept this guy from killing his family?

[Mysterian]

10. Nothing. Nothing at all.

It is impossible to prevent gun crime and we should do absolutely nothing about it, professor.

[Mountainguy]

13. Thats right.

No gun law could have kept these people alive.

[Mysterian]

16. That's your opinion.

And that's all it is. Do you know what type of weapon was used? Do you know how the murderer obtained his weapon? Then how do you know nothing could have been done? You just spout off whatever makes you feel good.

[Mountainguy]

19. And none of that matters

From reports it's clear what happened. It was late and the others were asleep. He killed the wife snd went through the house killing the others.

Let's pretend he didn't have a gun.

He is in a fight with his wife and strangles her to death. Picks up a knife and walks to his 18 year Olds room, stabbing him to death then goes room to room killing the younger ones.

Same outcome with no gun.

So how does a gun law stop someone from killing everyone in their own house while they are asleep?

[Mysterian]

21. LMAO!

"We can't regulate guns because people can kill with rocks too."

Imbecilic argument.

[CTyankee]

96. Then why did he need a gun in the first place?

Why didn't he use strangulation and/or stabbing?

[JanMichael]

110. He needed a gun because he was weak mentally.

He didn't have the guts to stab or strangle them. It is so much easier to pull a trigger. Plus most kitchen knives break when you try to drive it through a persons chest.

Fucking scum bucket.

[CTyankee]

111. My family had a gun related incident leaving my niece dead. Without that gun present, she would be alive today.

The gun made all the difference in that situation. Anger, alcohol, access to gun: that was the deadly formula for her death. So she was a victim of murder, then her killer turned the gun on himself. If there had not been a gun present, it would have been a different story.
This happened in Texas.

[Doc Sportello]

103. Same argument the NRA uses

A couple of days ago a poster here was praising dump for being nice to Robert Kraft. Several posters have said AIPAC is just fine for funding repub candidates. Is this still DU or have I stumbled onto another site?

[Maru Kitteh]

20. Pure horse shit.

Fuck guns and fuck ammosexuals. This country is littered with the corpses of women and children because ammosexuals love guns more.

[Elessar Zappa]

23. Don't come here with that bullshit.

There’s a reason why our murder rate is one of,if not THE highest in the developed world. Fuck gun humpers. They’re cowards all of them, afraid of their own shadow.

[Bucky]

60. Oops, look out. Here comes Mr Facts.

https://www.texastribune.org/2023/05/10/texas-gun-fatalities-laws/

Texas's homicide rate was 6.6 per 100,000 Texans in 2021, up from 5.9 per 100,000 in 2020 and 4.5 in 2019.
It hovered around 4 per 100,000 from 1999 to 2018.

Texas's suicide rate was 8.6 per 100,000 in 2021, up from 7.8 per 100K in 2020, 7.7 in 2019, and 7.9 in 2018.
Generally Texas suicide rates have been steadily increasing since 2006, when it was at 5.6 per 100,000.

What this means is that it's not mostly crime, but depression in the vicinity of firearms that's killing Texans.

Texas is the 13th most violent state in the country. The states with the lowest crime rates are mostly the ones with the stricter gun laws, like New England states & New Jersey.

The Center for American Progress conducted a study and found a strong correlation between weak gun control laws and high crime rates. They started by grading the strength of state gun laws on a scale of A thru F. Their conclusions are below. Our murder rate here in Texas is NOT because "high because of the violent criminals." Criminals are violent everywhere. Our murder rate is high because the violent criminals here have a much easier time getting ahold of guns.

States that received an “F” grade based on the strength of their gun laws—according to the latest scorecard from the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence—saw the highest homicide rates

States with “F” grades saw 25 percent higher homicide rates than states with “C” or “D” grades.

States with “F” grades saw 61 percent higher homicide rates than states with “A” or “B” grades—states with the strongest gun laws.

The states with the highest firearm mortality rates are Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, and Wyoming. These states all received an “F” grade for their weak gun laws.

Children and teenagers are most vulnerable in states with weaker gun laws: In 2020, the 10 states with the highest rates of gun deaths among children and teenagers ages 1–19 were Louisiana, Alaska, Mississippi, South Carolina, Arkansas, Kansas, Indiana, Kentucky, Missouri, and Alabama. All of these states received an “F” grade for their weak gun laws.

Reports also suggest that rates of nonfatal gunshot injuries sustained during assaults are higher in states with weaker gun laws: In 2017, the most recent year with available data across all states, states that received an “F” grade had a rate of nonfatal gunshot injuries that was 22 percent higher than states with “C” or “D” grades and 59 percent higher than states with “A” or “B” grades.

Sorry, but this attitude that "We can all just git us some guns and then outshoot them criminals" is fundamentally flawed thinking. More guns results in more deaths. It absolutely correlates to more suicides, which is a bigger problem than violent crime, if numbers mean anything to you.

[TexasDem69]

72. Even the source you cite belies your claim

It says the states with lower gun violence rates are “mostly” ones with stricter laws. What about those that fall outside the rule? What’s the explanation?

[kristndem]

99. Oh those Pesky facts!

[H2O Man]

35. Thank you.

I guess the new NRA tactic is to parrot the "which law?" bit. There are not yet reports documenting exactly what type of gun was used. But there sure as shit is evidence that this guy should not have had a gun. It is unlikely that he was a stable fellow right up until the moment he decided to murder his family. So maybe once we find out what type of gun he had, we could start there.

[TexasDem69]

37. What evidence?

[H2O Man]

38. Really?

He murdered his fucking family. Are you really saying that isn't evidence? Would you say it at least suggests that he should not have had a gun?

[TexasDem69]

41. Got it--you're assuming he shouldn't have a gun

Because he committed a crime. Do you also assume people who got a DUI shouldn’t have been allowed to drink? That’s not evidence, that’s hindsight Captain Obvious

[H2O Man]

43. Silly.

I would expect this attempt at meaningful debate from a 7th grader in social studies class or an NRA member trying to distract from gun violence. Perhaps you are unaware that in virtually every criminal case where a DA charges a defendant, the evidence they use meets your definition of hindsight.

[TexasDem69]

46. Tell me what evidence you have that this person shouldn't own a gun

Other than the crime?

[H2O Man]

53. Have you ever

noticed how NRA members identify their weapons with their penis? It is, to borrow a word you used, "obvious." They'll always attempt to divert attention from the horrors of a slaughter of human life by way of gun by asking things about DWI or other nonsense.

[RandomNumbers]

86. LOL, **actually** most people who get DUI's, shouldn't have been allowed to drink

that is, at least that bartender shouldn't have served them the last one (or three).

I have had some acquaintance with alcoholics. Usually by the time they get busted, it is quite evident to everyone around them, that they shouldn't be drinking.

So, if you are going to compare this to someone getting a DUI, um yeah.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

107. Oh. "He committed a crime."

He MURDERED HIS FAMILY.

JFC

[kristndem]

24. Oh, I don't know

Maybe ERPO, maybe background checks (Domestic violence may show up), maybe gun storage laws that would at least slow down the abuser giving the family more time to defend themselves, and even slow down the abusers impulse. Maybe a waiting period. Many sensible gun laws may have saved this family. Without having all the information these are just a few. There is data to back it up too.
Having access to a gun makes it five times more likely that a woman will die at the hands of a domestic abuser
Polls show that a majority of Americans want Congress to pass commonsense gun laws.
These laws would not ban gun ownership or repeal the Second Amendment.
Proposals include raising the minimum age to buy semiautomatic weapons, banning high-capacity magazines, passing safe storage laws, and strengthening background checks.
A new gun reform bill, H.R. 7910, the Protecting Our Kids Act, is currently being debated in the Senate.
Studies show that gun reform measures could save thousands of lives every year.
Would you like more?

[TexasDem69]

31. We have background checks

And gun storage laws. Do you think if the law said this guy had to lock up his own gun he would t have shot someone? That’s comical. How would a high capacity magazine ban have prevented this tragedy?

[kristndem]

40. There are background check loopholes

There is nothing comical about my response to your knee jerk reaction.
And most states do not have safe storage laws, and OK is one without them. Most of them are in blue states. Check out the gun violence in blue states verses red states. It may surprise you.
I am a local Moms Demand Action lead with the Be SMART program. I have much data to back up my argument. I teach workshops on the subject.
FIVE times more likely to die if there is easy access to a gun. ERPO would definitely have helped this family. 21 states ] have passed it (Washington, California, Oregon, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada, New Jersey, New York, just to name a few . These states have greatly reduced domestic violence stats.
https://everytownresearch.org/report/extreme-risk-laws-save-lives/
Now, back your argument up with data please.

[TexasDem69]

44. But you don't know anything about this shooting

Other than the shooting happened! And I’ll ask again—how would a safe storage law prevent this shooting? It’s not like the guy stumbled across an unsecured gun. And the red v. blue distinction is largely bullshit. States with more violence have more gun deaths, and some states—Wyoming for instance—have more gun ownership and more gun suicides but fewer gun murders. And Vermont has very lax gun laws but fewer murders overall. The biggest predictor of gun violence is poverty and lack of education.

[kristndem]

55. Safe storage laws

can slow down an impulse. Maybe it would have in this instance. There is data to support this. While I don't know the specifics of this particular incident, I have studied this issue considerably. As I said I teach workshops on the subject. I have taught it at hospitals, law enforcement conferences, PTA's etc. So as I said, I have lots and lots of data. Do you?
Open your mind, you could learn something.
My opinion is data driven.

[kristndem]

45. Also

Child Access Prevention & Safe Storage in Oklahoma
Oklahoma has no law that imposes a penalty on someone who fails to secure an unattended firearm and leaves it accessible to an unsupervised minor.

[TexasDem69]

47. Was this individual a minor?

If not how is that relevant?

[kristndem]

57. Just letting you know that OK doesn't have safe storage laws

cuz you said there were safe storage laws.
A gun in the home made that family 5 times more likely to die by said gun.
As I have said in all of my posts, an ERPO law Would have saved this family if implemented.

[TexasDem69]

58. You don't know that either!

You keep making up facts while knowing nothing about the particulars of this case. How would that have made a difference here? Was this individual reported as a risk? And the “guns in the house” thing is just an excuse to try to ban private ownership of guns.

[kristndem]

64. How

Am I making up facts? I'm just supplying you with data to back up my argument.
Neither of us has the specific details of this particular incident. But in my training I have studied the issue vigorously.
Domestic violence rarely happens in a vacuum. Without knowing I would wager an educated guess that there were warning signs.
In which case ERPO would have saved the lives of this family.

[TexasDem69]

69. Got it. You admit you are speculating and have no facts

To support your position. You may be right at the end of the day, but I disagree that we should implement a bunch of laws that might have made no difference whatsoever

[kristndem]

79. So

If no law could have helped this one incident - then no sensible law should ever be passed. Hmmmm....ok
Then why pass any laws? Because no law will prevent every crime. That is a nonsensical argument.
I am not talking about a bunch of non researched laws. I specifically mentioned three laws that I believe (with training and DATA to back it up) would have helped to prevent this tragedy - because those 3 laws have been proven statically to reduce gun deaths and violence. And I brought the receipts. I linked many studies and research to support my argument. You have not!

[TexasDem69]

80. That's not what I said

Pass laws that work, don’t pass stupid laws

[kristndem]

84. What stupid laws

do you speak of?

[kristndem]

87. If ya wanna talk about stupid Laws

Here are a few stupid laws that I have advocated against,
SB 1325 Arming teachers in TN
If you want to carry a gun openly or concealed in public in Tennessee, you don't need a permit. As of July 1, 2021, Tennessee is a permit-less carry state.
Stand your ground laws upend centuries of legal tradition, allowing a person to use deadly force in self-defense in public, even if that force can be safely avoided by retreating or when nonlethal force would suffice.
Tennessee's new Guns in Bars law took effect Tuesday. It allows those with a concealed weapons carry permit to pack heat inside bars and restaurants (what could possibly go wrong)
Weapons
39-17-1305 - Possession of firearm where alcoholic beverages are served

[Grins]

51. No we don't!!!

You say that, you think that, but we don’t!!

In the UK you can have a hunting rifle (single shot) or shotgun (single shot) but one of a crap-ton of requirements you have to pass BEFORE you can get a gun is a gun safe. And not some mahogany and glass display case, but 1” steel with multiple locks.

How do they know? They show up AT YOUR HOUSE to see if it complies. Don’t have one? Not up to requirements - no gun for you!

And their background check is no 3-day waiting period so “Gary” at “Gary’s Guns n’ Ammo” can check you out. Police do the check before you can have a gun and all the checks could take a year.

[TexasDem69]

54. Whoa whoa whoa!

You want someone to be able to randomly search your house? What the fuck! You’ve heard of the Constitution and the Fourth Amendment, right? And you want someone to have to wait a YEAR to buy a gun? Christ, that would never pass muster in the U.S.

[kristndem]

61. Nothing random

About ERPO. Do you even know what it is?
I'm not interested in passing muster in this country...We have the highest gun deaths in the world.
If more guns made us safer we would be the safest country in the world.

More DATA
https://www.healthdata.org/news-events/insights-blog/acting-data/gun-violence-united-states-outlier

[TexasDem69]

66. I answered that question in another post

If you want to ban guns just say it. Others have here. It’s not a popular position and unconstitutional but that’s ok.

[kristndem]

70. Now who is moving goalposts

I never said I want to ban all guns. I am advocating for sensible gun laws. I don't need to list them again.
I'm a believer in DATA. O which I have provided plenty. Still waiting for yours

[TexasDem69]

71. You've posted a single data point

Which I questioned. How about this—post some legitimate source that establishes red states have more gun violence than blue states. I’ll tell you there is no such source, because the issue is much more nuanced than just red or blue, or the gun laws in place. The most significant driver of violence is poverty. Poor in California is just as bad as poor in West Virginia.

[kristndem]

76. I've posted more than that

You have posted none!

https://www.healthdata.org/news-events/insights-blog/acting-data/gun-violence-united-states-outlier
https://erpo.org/
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1380025/us-gun-violence-rate-by-state/

This isn't hard

[TexasDem69]

78. Thanks for these

The ERPO article just says that ERPOis a good law. I agree, but no evidence it helps in this case. The first article says that DC had the highest gun violence rate. DC is the bluest state (not quite a state) in the country. How does that help your point? I think it helps mine—poverty = violence.

[kristndem]

82. Cherry picking is

great, isn't it?
Poverty is but one indication of gun violence. You sound like the TN legislators that I talk to in my advocacy, "It's those urban centers that are the problem"
Actually states with the most lax gun laws have the most gun violence. Keep reading.

[MichMan]

105. DC doesn't have the most lax gun laws in the US.

[GreenWave]

88. Powerful display of facts.

And welcome!

[kristndem]

98. Thanks

I do get riled up!

[gay texan]

65. Big boy privalleges

Require big boy rules. What my old man used to say.

Having spent my life in rural Oklahoma and in rural Texas, the answer to a conflict in these places is a gun. Its the culture. Ive lived it

Ive been on this planet for 51 years. Never had a single iota of gun saftey training in the schools i attended. No lessons on how to resolve a conflict with out violence. Ive had a revolver put to my face over a complete misunderstanding that didnt amount to a fucking hill of beans.

Lost a lot of friends in these towns due to bullshit involving a gun.

Gun saftey was taught by my dad; a man who fought in the Tet Offensive in '68. Stories of what a gun does to a human in combat. A gun was a last fucking resort if you honestly knew you were going to die. I still live by that rule.

Make guns easy to get with no oversight and you got a bonafide shit show on your hands...

[Texasgal]

106. Oh C'mon..

You know damn well that we need better protections! Think about UVALDE. That shit would have never happened had this 18 year old would have been blocked from buying a high powered rifle.

Guns should be HARD to own. Not easy!

Do we know that it would have helped in this particular situation? NO... but atleast it's a damn start!

[brewens]

27. Maybe if guns hadn't been so heavily promoted. That could be part of helpful regulations. n/t

[TexasDem69]

48. So you want to impose bans on commercials?

[brewens]

63. Sure. Like with cigarettes. Maybe just a stop gap measure until we can do something about the inbreeding crisis. n/t

[TexasDem69]

73. How are the two comparable?

[Sky Jewels]

12. Other "advanced" countries have a tiny fraction of the gun violence/deaths we do.

But you seem to think that somehow in the United States there is no way to slow the slaughter. You just shrug and accept all the carnage.

[Mountainguy]

14. Would it be better

If he'd stabbed, burnt, or beaten them to death?

[Sky Jewels]

15. Are you serious?!

You don't understand that guns are far more efficient at mowing high numbers of people down instantly than other forms of violence and weapons? Do you think the guy who murdered 60 people and wounded more than 400 at that Las Vegas concert in 2017 would have been able to wipe out all those people from his hotel suite with a knife, like he did with his gun? And that is just one example a disgracefully long list of shootings in this country.

Gun humpers have destroyed people's peace of mind in this country. I can't even go to a movie or a mall or a concert or an school event without thinking about some fucking man (and it's almost always a man) shooting up the place. We have neighbors who have two young adult kids. One was at the site of a mass shooting at a concert (in Washington State) and one was on a college campus where there was a mass shooting. That would be absolutely unheard of in any other "advanced" country. One of my kids is looking to emigrate, in part because of the gun violence here.

You'd better hope that you or someone in your family doesn't get blown away by some nut with a gun.

SMDH at your attitude.

[Mountainguy]

18. And in this case?

That is irrelevant.

[kristndem]

25. Five times more likely

Your argument is nonsensical!
Having access to a gun makes it five times more likely that a woman will die at the hands of a domestic abuser
Polls show that a majority of Americans want Congress to pass commonsense gun laws.
These laws would not ban gun ownership or repeal the Second Amendment.
Proposals include raising the minimum age to buy semiautomatic weapons, banning high-capacity magazines, passing safe storage laws, and strengthening background checks.
A new gun reform bill, H.R. 7910, the Protecting Our Kids Act, is currently being debated in the Senate.
Studies show that gun reform measures could save thousands of lives every year.
Would you like more?

[Mountainguy]

89. Again, in this case what law would have changed the outcome?

[revmclaren]

77. A knife as an example...

Weapon that is up close and personal. Many times it takes multiple wounds to cause mortality. After just one stab, she could have woken up. She could have screamed...fought back...all this time he would have risked injuring himself, her getting away, his getting covered in blood. Her screams could have woken up the still sleeping victims. 4 chances of escape...dialing 911...locking their doors, etc. This would have been true with each of the victims.


But with gun...pop...dead...pop...dead...pop...dead and on and on. Less mess, no contact.

Yeah...knives and other weapons are the same.

Bullshit!

[Mountainguy]

90. sure

people were killing each other with knives of thousands of years before guns were ever heard of. But if you think someone. has any chance against an attacker with a blade when they are asleep...nonsense.

[revmclaren]

92. Riiiight. Nobody ever....

And you know this how?

[Mountainguy]

94. Didn't work for this family

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68534369

[revmclaren]

95. Heres one...

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/sleeping-woman-wakes-up-find-28555892

More examples if needed. But you did say no one.



If you want to go tit for tat...let's play...

[Mountainguy]

97. "booze and cocaine binge"

So they might stand a chance if their attacker is fucked out of his mind and leaves before killing them.

Good luck with that.

[revmclaren]

100. You said no one survives, but way to raise the bar.

She was stabbed multiple times...punchered lung...but he was 'high' so doesn't count.

Here's another..

https://www.ilfordrecorder.co.uk/news/crime/21175320.teen-guilty-frenzied-knife-attack-sleeping-woman/

She survived.


If you need more I'll find a bunch more for you
after work.

You're fun...

[TexasDem69]

28. I'll second the question

What common sense regulation do you think would have prevented this? I don’t want to argue semantics, I’m looking for specific proposals.

[kristndem]

29. There are many

Maybe ERPO, maybe background checks (Domestic violence may show up), maybe gun storage laws that would at least slow down the abuser giving the family more time to defend themselves, and even slow down the abusers impulse. Maybe a waiting period. Many sensible gun laws may have saved this family. Without having all the information these are just a few. There is data to back it up too.
Having access to a gun makes it five times more likely that a woman will die at the hands of a domestic abuser
Polls show that a majority of Americans want Congress to pass commonsense gun laws.
These laws would not ban gun ownership or repeal the Second Amendment.
Proposals include raising the minimum age to buy semiautomatic weapons, banning high-capacity magazines, passing safe storage laws, and strengthening background checks.
A new gun reform bill, H.R. 7910, the Protecting Our Kids Act, is currently being debated in the Senate.
Studies show that gun reform measures could save thousands of lives every year.
Would you like more?

[TexasDem69]

33. I just responded to your other post

But will reiterate here.

There’s nothing to suggest that this individual purchased the gun without a background check, and the vast majority of gun owners went through a background check.

How would a safe storage law prevent this? This wasn’t a child shooting another child.

We don’t even know if this shooting involved a semiautomatic weapon with a high capacity magazine.

I want proposals that make a difference, not those that are cosmetic. Nothing you mentioned would have made a difference here. Nothing.

[kristndem]

50. Bull!

I can back up my argument with data! Can you do the same?
ERPO in and of itself could have saved this family.
As I said A gun in the home makes it FIVE times more likely that members of the household will be killed!
https://erpo.org/

[TexasDem69]

52. You keep moving the goalposts

I’ll make it simple. How would a safe storage law make a difference here? What evidence do you have that stricter background checks would make a difference here? Two basic questions that shouldn’t be hard to answer with respect to this specific shooting.

[kristndem]

59. I moved no goalpost

I simply named a few sensible gun laws that could have saved this family.. It is your contention that no gun law would have saved them. This is simply not true
You still have not provided ANY DATA. I have.
Find some data to back your argument up please.

[TexasDem69]

68. Please answer the two simple questions I posed

Or say you can’t. You’re asking me to prove a negative, I’m asking you to support your position.

[kristndem]

74. I can

And have....Domestic violence doesn't happen in a vacuum. A thorough background check would pick it up, if it was there.
ERPO would definitely have saved them, but there isn't ERPO on the books in OK.
Safe storage may have slowed him down a bit, maybe not.
I have also supplied you with research and DATA, so I'm not sure what else you are asking for.
My point is that , yes, gun laws can and do save lives.
You are the one whose contention that no sensible gun law would have made a difference - which is simply not true!

[TexasDem69]

75. That's ALL speculation!

You have NO idea if this guy ever committed domestic violence prior to purchasing this gun. None. Do you think every individual commits a crime prior to purchasing a gun? What about the tens of millions of female gun owners? And “ERPO” is only effective IF the individual exhibited violent behavior prior to the crime. Any evidence that happened here?

Yes, gun laws might save lives, but you have zero evidence that any of the laws you support would have made a difference here.

[kristndem]

81. OK

Maybe gun laws wouldn't have helped in this particular incident. So let's just not do anything if it doesn't work in EVERY situation. There are warning signs in the vast majority of domestic violence related gun deaths. Most of the time someone who picks up a gun and shoots their entire family has violence in their personality. It is not a stretch to assume that there were signs.
Maybe not....maybe he was a great guy, with no indication whatsoever that he would kill his family. He probably was sweet and caring and considerate,
He just had a really really bad day. OK

[Phoenix61]

104. No you're not. nt

[ForgedCrank]

93. Sorry to

break it to you, but where I live, every Democrat I know is Pro-2A and anti-restriction.
This isn't a Republican thing. Out here we understand that blaming inanimate objects isn't very logical.
In my entire life, I think we've had a total of 5-6 murders in our county if my memory is holding well. All but one of them was committed by someone passing through or came here from the city to visit the area. The other was some drug thing between a couple of known criminals who already weren't allowed to own guns.

[lindysalsagal]

8. Good guy with a legal gun, no doubt.

sarcasm

We're killing each other.

[JoseBalow]

109. The difference between a good guy with a gun, and a bad guy with a gun

is a couple of beers.

[Sky Jewels]

11. Another male family annihilator. They think they deserve the ultimate control.

What the fuck is wrong with (many) men?! So many of them are violent and controlling dickheads.

(Yeah, yeah, "not all men..." )

Oh, and fuck the gun humpers in this country!!!

[Hope22]

42. Screw the chicken $#it family murderers!

Do everyone a favor and kill yourself first. What a phenomenal waste of life!

[Oneironaut]

22. "John Candy?"

Sorry - this may be an inappropriate observation, but, wtf.

[ck4829]

32. Not a Muslim, not an immigrant, not Antifa, not ISIS, not Black Lives Matter

[TexasDem69]

36. How is that relevant?

[Torchlight]

62. I can count on it. The office sealion will be barking tomorrow

to anyone who will even pretend to listen that reducing laws and regulations will increase safety, and he'll point his finger of cause and effect at everyone and everything except the weapon of relevance. He's been firmly seated in the orthodox There-Are-No-Gun-Accidents pew close to the sancrimental whine dispenser, and gives me the stink-eye these days for responding to him once last year the day I found out he caused a car accident that morning, "by your measure, there are no car accidents, either"

He's a bit of a nut-job, and went all in on the Guns & Ammo lifestyle a couple of years ago after a divorce. I'll have to hear it, if not listen to it, any time there's an overcommercialized death by gun and I want a cup of the good stuff the office keeps in the south breakroom. I'll entertain a good debate anyday, and may even step away from the desk once or twice to hear a topical one, but sealions? Those guys are just damned annoying.

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

67. office "Sealion".

LOL. good name for it. I couldn't stand it. I ran away from hearing that stuff... whenever the "sealion" started talking nonsense. Another employee even noticed and commented on how I was running from the room.

[Traildogbob]

83. And Marge will be all

Over the news raging about Americans being shot………..not by “illegal's”, but by MurKKKans.

[Nictuku]

85. Lets Regulate Men (do we REALLY need them?)

[kimbutgar]

101. I watch these shows on ID and this is similar to episodes I've seen

So sad for the Mother and the 3 children and the lone survivor child who will live with this horror the rest of his life!

[MorbidButterflyTat]

108. Never seen such lack of empathy on DU

It's a fact guns have more rights in this country than humans, especially female humans.

And apparently some are totally cool with that.

[BWdem4life]

112. I see it in the first reply and throughout this thread.

You must be selectively blind.