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Nevilledog

(55,139 posts)
Wed Apr 24, 2024, 07:11 PM Apr 2024

AZ charges fake electors! Also Giuliani, Meadows, and Epshteyn?





Kyle Cheney
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BREAKING: Arizona prosecutors have charged 11 fake electors for their roles in efforts to subvert the 2020 election. https://mcusercontent.com/cc1fad182b6d6f8b1e352e206/files/fa85cddf-ccc6-7dee-dd58-ff5e80d53b15/Indictment.03.pdf
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4:08 PM · Apr 24, 2024



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AZ charges fake electors! Also Giuliani, Meadows, and Epshteyn? (Original Post) Nevilledog Apr 2024 OP
AZ Attorney General Kris Mayes Nevilledog Apr 2024 #1
More Nevilledog Apr 2024 #2
+1 dalton99a Apr 2024 #3
Very good news! brer cat Apr 2024 #4
Yeah. Also Eastman, Jenna Ellis, and Christina Bobb Nevilledog Apr 2024 #5
What I don't understand is Dan Apr 2024 #6
Here's a good take imho Nevilledog Apr 2024 #9
Thank you, Dan Apr 2024 #13
So long as he's traveling between courts by prison bus... Nevilledog Apr 2024 #19
same thing i was thinking..... Takket Apr 2024 #15
I think 2nd of these is more likely. triron Apr 2024 #20
A good reason does not exist. Mickju Apr 2024 #26
My guess is there may not be enough direct evidence of Trump's personal involvement in Arizona. ShazzieB Apr 2024 #12
Trump sent his henchmen as usual. No recordings this time MerryBlooms Apr 2024 #17
*Heh* *Snort* *Giggle* Aviation Pro Apr 2024 #7
😀 .... electric_blue68 Apr 2024 #24
The Republican party Bundbuster Apr 2024 #8
Led by the nose by other interests (putin, koch/mercer/thiel/etc.) erronis Apr 2024 #16
Kick and rec for Trump's secret pals. Kingofalldems Apr 2024 #10
Fabulous! FormerOstrich Apr 2024 #11
Yeehaw! ShazzieB Apr 2024 #14
Yay, AZ! Warpy Apr 2024 #18
A massive and historic crime against the very fabric and foundation of our nation. This aggression will not stand, man. NBachers Apr 2024 #21
Something less to cringe about when dobleremolque Apr 2024 #22
Awww.... Your State has some of the most awesome high desert landscapes!!! electric_blue68 Apr 2024 #27
Nevilledog............. Upthevibe Apr 2024 #23
TY.. Notable detail... Cha Apr 2024 #25
Another one of Trump's lawyers, Christina Bobb, has been indicted in Arizona LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2024 #28

Nevilledog

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1. AZ Attorney General Kris Mayes
Wed Apr 24, 2024, 07:14 PM
Apr 2024




AZ Attorney General Kris Mayes
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A state grand jury, made up of everyday, regular Arizonans, has handed down felony indictments in the ongoing investigation into the fake elector scheme in Arizona.


4:08 PM · Apr 24, 2024

Nevilledog

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2. More
Wed Apr 24, 2024, 07:29 PM
Apr 2024




Kyle Cheney
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MORE: Trump is an *unindicted coconspirator* in this indictment. https://mcusercontent.com/cc1fad182b6d6f8b1e352e206/files/fa85cddf-ccc6-7dee-dd58-ff5e80d53b15/Indictment.03.pdf
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UPDATE: It's clear who most of the the other 7 are based on details in the indictment. Among them:

-Rudy Giuliani
-Mark Meadows
-Mike Roman

https://mcusercontent.com/cc1fad182b6d6f8b1e352e206/files/fa85cddf-ccc6-7dee-dd58-ff5e80d53b15/Indictment.03.pdf
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4:22 PM · Apr 24, 2024

Dan

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6. What I don't understand is
Wed Apr 24, 2024, 07:52 PM
Apr 2024

Why aren’t they indicting Trump? What is the rational that he is at the heart of all these crimes, a party to the crimes, but not being charged. Does anyone know the answer?

Dan

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13. Thank you,
Wed Apr 24, 2024, 08:27 PM
Apr 2024

Very informative…. So, looks like after the November election (assuming that Trump loses), the party begins again for Trump…. He will probably live the rest of life in Courts traveling between States fighting for his freedom.

Takket

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15. same thing i was thinking.....
Wed Apr 24, 2024, 08:35 PM
Apr 2024

drumpf is already up to his eyeballs in enough trials to keep him locked up until he dies. no reason to complicate this case by trying to drag him into it. especially since it will trigger all kinds of motions that will delay the case indefinitely.

ShazzieB

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12. My guess is there may not be enough direct evidence of Trump's personal involvement in Arizona.
Wed Apr 24, 2024, 08:27 PM
Apr 2024

That kind of evidence exists in the Georgia case because someone happened to think of recording that phone call to Raffensberg, but I haven't heard of anything like that in relation to any of the other swing states where slates of fake electors were created.

Of course, we all know that Trump was involved in all of it, but knowing something to be true and being able to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law are two different things. If that's the case here, I don't blame the AZ AG for focusing on those against whom she is able to build the strongest, most air tight case.

Just a guess, as I said, but it seems like a possibility to me.

MerryBlooms

(12,407 posts)
17. Trump sent his henchmen as usual. No recordings this time
Wed Apr 24, 2024, 08:49 PM
Apr 2024

No direct link. Trump off the hook on this one, unless one of his dupes turns on him with receipts.

Aviation Pro

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7. *Heh* *Snort* *Giggle*
Wed Apr 24, 2024, 07:58 PM
Apr 2024

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Kick rocks, you decrepit, old pervert.

electric_blue68

(27,341 posts)
24. 😀 ....
Wed Apr 24, 2024, 11:51 PM
Apr 2024

And how did you get your post to go
"outside" the text box?!
At least, that's how it appears on my smartphone.

Bundbuster

(4,018 posts)
8. The Republican party
Wed Apr 24, 2024, 08:12 PM
Apr 2024

is a criminal organization, plain & simple, led by Don Snoreleone and his consiglieres and foot soldiers.

erronis

(24,547 posts)
16. Led by the nose by other interests (putin, koch/mercer/thiel/etc.)
Wed Apr 24, 2024, 08:41 PM
Apr 2024

trump itself is incapable of even wiping his ass without leaving tracks.

This operation has other puppeteers above.

Warpy

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18. Yay, AZ!
Wed Apr 24, 2024, 08:55 PM
Apr 2024

and I never thought I'd write that.

Looks like those old Goldwater Republicans didn't much like having a bunch of MAGAts make them look bad.

I'll take it.

NBachers

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21. A massive and historic crime against the very fabric and foundation of our nation. This aggression will not stand, man.
Wed Apr 24, 2024, 09:41 PM
Apr 2024

dobleremolque

(1,133 posts)
22. Something less to cringe about when
Wed Apr 24, 2024, 09:52 PM
Apr 2024

when I tell people I'm from Arizona. Good for for the grand jury! And good for Attorney General Kris Mayes.

electric_blue68

(27,341 posts)
27. Awww.... Your State has some of the most awesome high desert landscapes!!!
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 01:07 AM
Apr 2024

(any excuse to recount my glorious vacations!)

Saw photos when I was a kid onward, entranced, and finally got to visit AZ, and Navajo & Hopi Nations at 26 yo then went on to SF, LA.

My friend, and I rented a car in Flagstaff. Visited Navajo & Hopi Nations, stayed in a motel. Next day he went down into Canyon de Chelle. Too scary for me, but I was in heaven from seeing the landscapes from the day before! And I took a peek down into that canyon. I wrote postcards in Well he car m, then met him, and went to breakfast.

Then we drove to Monument Valley taking a short cut that had a middle third as a dirt road, got there in time to drive the 17 mile loop in the afternoon. Had our din, and watched the sunset. Slept around 9PM in our sleeping bags under a Full Moon.

Then, we woke up around 3AM, with The Milky Way spanning, and sparkling practically horizon to horizon overhead! Never went back to sleep. Watched the sunrise. Then high tailed back to Flagstaff, and made our 2 day rental agreement with an hour to spare! 😀 👍

I came back about 13 days later, and took the Greyline tour from Flagstaff. More different areas to see.

The Next Year '80 I got to The Grand Canyon! Now, I arrived around noon time, and was somewhat disappointed.

How could that be?!
I'll tell you.
As a "colorist": one who loves color in clothing, jewelry, art making, crafting, and photography; I'm sensitive to it.

Arriving at the GC around Noonish I was floored that beyond the beige ground I stood on, and the first somewhat subdued red rocks first ?level down - the whole rest of the canyon marching away into the distance was shades of blues, violets, bits of purple, and pale blue whites. It looked "flattish", as though the rest beyond the first level down almost looked like a "photographic" mural!
Totally Not what I was expecting!
Where the heck were the reds, oranges, golden ochers, and pale yellows?!!!!
Of course I kept looking, anyway, as I walked nearish to the edge.

As it turned out: the sun had to angle down for the warmer colors to emerge! Which only happened around 3PM, and we had to leave by 4PM!
At least, the mystery was solved, and I got to see some of it the way I expected to! What a place!

Finally, I took one more Greyline tour from Flagstaff. We were outside Tuba City when ?the water pipe blew. Well, something did, and the five, or six of us had to push the car back about ?1/4-1/3 of a mile!

Anyway, it took ?2+ hours to repair, but we were in a restaurant. And then our guide graciously took us on the whole tour! Similar to last year's, and that was fine. I wanted to see it all again. We stopped at an area outside of the official Petrified Forest. That was some strange stuff!

I think that evening I headed back home by bus (as I'd done the year before). What glorious adventures!


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