A guy gets busted for his TWELTH DUI??!!??

[Archae]

JHC.

OUTAGAMIE COUNTY, Wis. (WBAY) - The Wisconsin State Patrol Fond du Lac Post arrested 58-year-old Jon Miner was arrested Saturday evening for operating a motor vehicle under the influence, 12th offense.

Officials pulled Miner’s vehicle around 7:30 p.m. for a speeding violation on I-41 at Highway 55.

The trooper observed signs of impairment. A field sobriety test on the scene showed Miner was under the influence while driving.

https://www.wbay.com/2024/04/28/tomah-man-arrested-12th-owi-offense/

[aocommunalpunch]

1. Can't deny his freedom to endanger others, I guess.

No more vehicles for this guy. Dude’s too ill and needs help.

[Archae]

5. No doubt he already tried getting "help..."

But gave up and went back to drinking.

Met a few people who had multiple DUI's, they were hopeless alcoholics and even bragged about being that way.

[Attilatheblond]

9. My dad always quipped that he was a drunk, not an alcholic because he refused to go to meetings.

At least he was honest about it.

People who keep getting busted for DUI and not tossed into prison make me suspect too many judges drink and drive also, and just don't see it as a threat to the public.

[Archae]

10. My own Dad would drive home from "The Corner Bar," (actual tavern name)

Said he had the shoes full.

My Mom told him to give up The Corner Bar or she'd leave.

He quit coming home drunk, would still drink a beer or two on occasion.

[Arthur_Frain]

12. Spend some time just cleaning up the side of your roads.

Highways, city streets, even the rural routes, guess what constitutes more than half of what I pick up?

Empties. Mini bottles of all varieties of booze, and cans from beer, cider, and all the latest seltzer rage.

Just because I’m “that guy” I keep the roads in my area clean of trash, so I make a few passes a year. It’s always the volume of empties that astound me.

Put two and two together as to why you find them there, and the truth is that the percentage of folks under the influence behind the wheel is a lot higher than you think it is.

[Archae]

14. Being an avid bicyclist, I see the same thing.

I see the occasional toy, but far more discarded bottles of different sizes, cans, and the occasional used vape.

And as we saw with the case from Michigan, a drunk driver can be plowed in the middle of the day, and hit something, in this case a kids' birthday party killing two little kids.

[Attilatheblond]

32. Brother was a paramedic for years in southern California

Sadly, what he usually had to pick up off the road was NOT empties, but bleeding gobs of victims. Cannot tell you how much I hate drunk drivers.

[aocommunalpunch]

38. One of my pet peeves is gas stations that sell

Single or double shots. I just can’t. It’s taking an easy buzz and mixing it with refueling to get right back on the road. Fucking unconscionable and if I were still a drinker, this would be an absolute problem for me.

[Arthur_Frain]

44. Let's be honest.

Mini bottles should not even be sold. From the single use plastic argument to the fact that it facilitates abuse, but hey, because capitalism, right? And we make the most profit off the most compromised in society that way.

Do it the respectable town drunkard way, pour the hooch off your gallon jug into your hip flask.

[demosincebirth]

27. No deference.

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

36. go on being drunk...just don't drive

[aeromanKC]

2. Note to self after 11 DUI's:

STOP speeding when driving drunk!!

[Ocelot II]

3. Many years ago I came across something like this, maybe worse.

I was practicing law then, and I was waiting for my case to come up in a courtroom in a small town in southern Minnesota (Mantorville, I think) - it was just a motion in a civil case. While I was waiting, the judge was handling some sentencing matters, and there was one guy who was being sentenced for his ninth driving after revocation offense. If he'd been busted that often for driving after the revocation of his drivers' license for DUI, he had to have been busted many times more than that for actual DUI, since in those days they didn't always revoke your license. The judge gave him the maximum sentence - I don't remember what it was - but chances are he kept drinking, driving, and getting arrested as soon as he was released, assuming he didn't kill himself in an accident or drinking himself to death.

[bif]

4. That wouldn't happen here in Michigan

He'd be in jail after his 3rd offense.

[GregariousGroundhog]

19. He's almost certainly already already served jail/prison time in Wisconsin

The jail term for a 2nd offense in Wisconsin is 5 days to 6 months, for a 3rd offense is 45 days to 12 months. The various judicial districts in Wisconsin have different sentencing guidelines to determine sentences within those ranges. For example, the 8th judicial district (which covers Outagamie County, where this offense took place), will not sentence someone to less than 10 days and 60 days respectively.

The 8th districts sentencing guidelines are here if you care to read:
https://addbalance.com/guidelines/8th-2015.pdf

[forthemiddle]

40. There is usually Huber

Or deferred sentencing with electronic monitoring. I actually wrote a letter to the judge begging her to either give my sister jail time ( to dry out), or send her to mandatory rehab. Neither happened.
My sister didn’t spend any time in jail (with work release) until her third major offense (which was determined by blood alcohol level). And then because of Covid she was released early anyway.

[lame54]

6. You'd think he'd be better at it by now

[cbabe]

7. Judge needs to order an interlock device.

https://www.cdc.gov › transportationsafety › calculator › factsheet › interlocks.html

Alcohol Ignition Interlocks | Transportation Safety | Injury Center | CDC

An alcohol interlock keeps a vehicle from starting if the driver has a blood alcohol concentration above a certain level, usually

[GregariousGroundhog]

21. Wisconsin does require ignition interlockd devices (IIDs)

An IID will be required for a minimum of one year on a 2nd offense and will also be required on the first offense if the person's blood alcohol content was 0.15 or higher.

[SarahD]

8. This is the real problem.

We need to get habitual offenders off the road. A second conviction should result in a year of no driving with jail time for cheating. A third conviction? No driving ever and six months in jail. No work release or other exceptions. MADD keeps trying to reduce the blood alcohol limit, but that does not address alcoholic drivers who get back on the road while drunk. Really drunk. Drunk every day.

[Ocelot II]

20. See #3. Revoke their license for DUI and they keep driving anyhow.

If they can't license the car because of their driving history they buy an old beater with current plates and drive it until the tags expire. Some of these cases are pretty hopeless.

[elocs]

11. Wisconsin. I'm not surprised. Lived here nearly all my life.

My city once held the title for the most bars per Capita in the state. More bars than churches but then drinking is all but a religion here.

[dembotoz]

13. tomah not that close to outagamie county

to drive home from the bar would take some doing

[sarisataka]

15. We, meaning the people of the United States,

don't really care about drunk driving. It is a crime associated with our cars therefore to punish it properly might someday affect one of our freedoms.

My cousin was killed 3 months before her HS graduation by a drunk driver. It was his 9th DUI, 7th license revocation and second accident with injuries.

In less than 5 years he was out and driving again without a license. Twenty plus years on her boyfriend who was in the passenger seat is still in a wheelchair.

[Archae]

17. Ninth?

And he killed your cousin and put another into a wheelchair?

I'm guessing you live here in Wisconsin.

[sarisataka]

18. Just across the border

I'm in Minnesota. We have our share.

[Ocelot II]

22. Yup. See #3.

[sarisataka]

26. It very well could be the same person

My cousin lived in Owatonna, but the accident happened outside a town in the farm areas.

[TheBlackAdder]

16. He's trying to get the 13th free.

[republianmushroom]

23. Does he still have a driver license ?

If he does Wis, may want to rethink there law on operating a motor vehicle under the influence.

[Ocelot II]

24. Probably not, but that doesn't stop a repeat drunk driver.

If their license is revoked they keep driving anyhow, and if they go to jail for a few months for driving after revocation, they keep doing it after they're released.

[republianmushroom]

25. After the third conviction kick the penalty up to a year in jail for every new conviction.

[demosincebirth]

28. Fortunately he hasn't killed anyone.

[sarisataka]

29. Yet...

[Dan]

30. Reading some of the Posts below, drivers driving while DUI

Thoughts:

Let’s go after the Liquor establishments. If you sell drinks at a bar, sell alcohol at a store, etc., to a person that is:
(A) Under the influence….
(B) Has been convicted and still under some type of sentencing…
Then they lose their license and their establishment, in addition to liability.

If you sell a vehicle to a person under the same conditions as above, you are liable in whatever happens.

The State should annotate on their Identity card (or Driver’s license, if they have one) that the person is a known drunk/alcoholic with number of offenses at time of administering the license.

[Archae]

33. Unfortunately what you say in "b" isn't practical.

How would a bartender find out if someone at their bar had a conviction?
Especially considering how alcoholics have a tendency to jump from one bar to the next.
Or one liquor store to the next.

And BTW, I saw a guy I knew used a "straw purchaser" to get him another car after his 5th DUI and totaling his car.

[Dan]

37. Notice what I said about the Identity card or Driver's License.

You’re probably right, but gotta start somewhere.

Someone posted about three-strikes, maybe permanent incarceration on the third strike, but I suspect that there aren’t enough jails and America has a S-load of them.

Smiling, take care.

[Angleae]

43. If they won't pull the license for a DUI, they aren't going to annotate it.

[unblock]

31. Is 3-strikes death penalty still a thing?

I remember it being all over the news maybe in the '90s.

3 felony conviction and it's an automatic death penalty.

Iirc, there were people then on death row for things like check kiting 3 times for a total of a few hundred dollars.

Don't recall anyone on death row for dui. Probably isn't a felony unless someone actually dies or is seriously injured.

But really, who's the bigger threat to society, the serial dui-er, or the serial small check kiter?

[Archae]

34. Not death row, but maybe life sentence.

Obviously, if somebody has as a third strike stealing a slice of pizza, (that did happen, and a guy went to jail for life,) that is a bit too draconian a law.

But driving drunk should be considered far worse.

[unblock]

35. Personally I'm a staunch opponent to the death penalty entirely

Governments should not have the right to execute its subjects.

Just noting the inconsistency, as I agree. DUI needs to be taken far more seriously than it is.

Another example of two-tiered justice. DUI is a crime many politicians can and have committed, so it's treated far lighter than it should be.

[localroger]

41. 3-strikes was never death penalty, rather life without parole

The death penalty isn't automatic for any crime in any state where it is legal. Once guilt for the eligible offence is determined, DP is usually determined in a separate procedure (varies wildly by state -- here in Louisiana it's a whole separate mini-trial with the same jury). And the whole 3-strikes thing is falling out of favor hard due to the number of stories of people locked away for life for stupidly trivial offences like shoplifting.

[unblock]

42. Ah, thanks.

I probably knew that when it was big in the news, but had forgotten some of the details, obviously....

[forthemiddle]

39. As soon as I saw the headline I guessed Wisconsin

Former lifelong Wisconsin resident here.
I now live in Indiana and just the other day we were talking about how lenient Wisconsin is with drunk drivers. I probably knew as many people with at least one conviction as I did without.
In Wisconsin real penalties don’t start until at least the third conviction.