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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(135,713 posts)
Mon Apr 29, 2024, 08:06 PM Apr 2024

This congresswoman was born and raised in Ukraine. She just voted against aid for her homeland

SHERIDAN, Ind. (AP) — U.S. Rep. Victoria Spartz, the first and only Ukrainian-born member of Congress, emerged early on as a natural advocate for supporting her native country in its war with Russia. But when $61 billion in additional support for the war effort came up for a vote in the House recently, she voted against it.

Instead she has called for better oversight of U.S. funds and opposed giving “blank checks” to the Ukrainian cause. She says U.S. border security should be a bigger priority.

That puts her more in line with conservative House Republicans and more notably with voters in her deeply conservative central Indiana congressional district. She's locked in a tough reelection fight in the May 7 GOP primary, made all the more complicated by her public announcement more than a year ago that she wouldn't seek another term, a decision she later reversed.

The aid package, part of a larger bill that also included assistance for Israel, Taiwan and other global hot spots, was approved by the House on April 20, the Senate on Tuesday and signed into law by President Joe Biden on Wednesday.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/congresswoman-born-raised-ukraine-she-041129407.html

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This congresswoman was born and raised in Ukraine. She just voted against aid for her homeland (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2024 OP
She is awful Delphinus Apr 2024 #1
One critical detail missing. OAITW r.2.0 Apr 2024 #2
Selling out your country is the GOP way. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #3
So why isn;t her Party affiliation an important detail? OAITW r.2.0 Apr 2024 #7
They are deliberately misleading readers. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #8
Eggzactly! OAITW r.2.0 Apr 2024 #12
I should get a prize. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #13
OK, I award you the first "Old and In the Way Prize". First ever. OAITW r.2.0 Apr 2024 #15
I'm honored. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #16
I, perhaps, if I knew how do do it would send you the $ electronically..... OAITW r.2.0 Apr 2024 #18
I have never tasted Dunkin' Donut coffee. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #19
It's a coffee that you have to buy and accept. Not as cheap as, say, Northern New England gas station that delivers OAITW r.2.0 Apr 2024 #22
As enticing as the gas station coffee and croissant sound, I'll take a pass on that. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #23
I don't work for Dunkin, nor have they've ever paid me for a rec. OAITW r.2.0 Apr 2024 #24
She is an "r". I checked just to make sure, but my experience is, if niyad Apr 2024 #29
PutinGOP media hard at work, as usual. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #40
"Locked in a tough GOP primary" question everything Apr 2024 #26
Her party affiliation is identified in article, right under the opening photo. Silent Type Apr 2024 #28
She is a Republican. LoisB Apr 2024 #6
Third paragraph LiberalFighter Apr 2024 #14
In the Article Bob_in_VA Apr 2024 #31
It was not left out at all, here are the fifth and sixth sentences in the article: Celerity Apr 2024 #39
Somebody gave her a perfect phone call dalton99a Apr 2024 #4
Wonder what Pres Zelensky would have to Cha Apr 2024 #10
BBC just interviewed her hometown (Chernihiv) mayor, who was critical, but measured in his response muriel_volestrangler Apr 2024 #43
TY.. a magat robot. Grateful Ukraine 🇺🇦 Cha Apr 2024 #44
Indeed....there's a real story to be told about why Republicans suddenly change their tune. OAITW r.2.0 Apr 2024 #11
She even was dressed in blue and yellow during that session question everything Apr 2024 #27
Not everyone born there... 2naSalit Apr 2024 #5
Can you elucidate? OAITW r.2.0 Apr 2024 #33
Says she was... 2naSalit Apr 2024 #34
I could be wrong....and I most frequently am...... OAITW r.2.0 Apr 2024 #37
And I could be wrong too. 2naSalit Apr 2024 #38
My Congresswoman... Happy Hoosier Apr 2024 #9
There are crazy Republican ads in my district. Indiana 3rd District LiberalFighter Apr 2024 #17
Stutzman will fit right in. Chellee Apr 2024 #25
She grew up under communism and is an expert on socialism. Emile Apr 2024 #20
Lots of Russians were resettled in Ukraine by Stalin after the Holodomor. haele Apr 2024 #21
She's a REPUBLICAN!!! Where is the hook? Get her off the stage! TeamProg Apr 2024 #30
Boooooo. !!! TeamProg Apr 2024 #32
The thing is, Ukraine is very complicated, even after independence tornado34jh Apr 2024 #35
She's a republican in Indiana....more maga than Ukrainian spanone Apr 2024 #36
If you tried to produce a movie maxrandb Apr 2024 #41
"Locked in a GOP primary battle" Azathoth Apr 2024 #42
Ukraine wasn't a country back then. It was part of the Soviet Union. Angleae May 2024 #45

OAITW r.2.0

(32,133 posts)
7. So why isn;t her Party affiliation an important detail?
Mon Apr 29, 2024, 08:15 PM
Apr 2024

I infer that she is a Republican, but why isn't that an important fact in this story? Puts a different perspective on the story, IMHO.

Irish_Dem

(81,266 posts)
8. They are deliberately misleading readers.
Mon Apr 29, 2024, 08:19 PM
Apr 2024

We think she must be a Dem.
Who is not voting with the other Dems.

She must think there is something so wrong with the bill even a Ukrainian Dem can't vote for it.

If we knew she was an R, we would understand immediately.
And would not be surprised at all the she is selling out her own country of origin.

OAITW r.2.0

(32,133 posts)
18. I, perhaps, if I knew how do do it would send you the $ electronically.....
Mon Apr 29, 2024, 09:05 PM
Apr 2024

Not good at that, so I could pay you for a large Dunkin' Donut's (reg or decaf) coffee. Best if I send 4 bucks in the mail. PM your PO Box.

OAITW r.2.0

(32,133 posts)
22. It's a coffee that you have to buy and accept. Not as cheap as, say, Northern New England gas station that delivers
Mon Apr 29, 2024, 09:50 PM
Apr 2024

"Green Mountain" coffee at 1/2 the price, but still, $4 bucks is $4 bucks. You could probably get a 2 day old croissant with the coffee and pocket the change.

Irish_Dem

(81,266 posts)
23. As enticing as the gas station coffee and croissant sound, I'll take a pass on that.
Mon Apr 29, 2024, 09:56 PM
Apr 2024

I'll take the recommendation of DD coffee as prize payment in full.
I pass by a DD every now and then but never stopped there.
Next time I will go in and get a cup of coffee.
Sounds like a fun stop.

OAITW r.2.0

(32,133 posts)
24. I don't work for Dunkin, nor have they've ever paid me for a rec.
Mon Apr 29, 2024, 10:09 PM
Apr 2024

If you need a coffee, they have one.

niyad

(132,440 posts)
29. She is an "r". I checked just to make sure, but my experience is, if
Mon Apr 29, 2024, 10:50 PM
Apr 2024

a report omits party affiliation of a politician in something not nice, they are an "r". Have not been wrong yet.

Celerity

(54,407 posts)
39. It was not left out at all, here are the fifth and sixth sentences in the article:
Tue Apr 30, 2024, 03:17 AM
Apr 2024

That puts her more in line with conservative House Republicans and more notably with voters in her deeply conservative central Indiana congressional district. She's locked in a tough reelection fight in the May 7 GOP primary, made all the more complicated by her public announcement more than a year ago that she wouldn't seek another term, a decision she later reversed.

Cha

(319,076 posts)
10. Wonder what Pres Zelensky would have to
Mon Apr 29, 2024, 08:32 PM
Apr 2024

say about that.

Does she have any relatives in Ukraine.?

muriel_volestrangler

(106,211 posts)
43. BBC just interviewed her hometown (Chernihiv) mayor, who was critical, but measured in his response
Tue Apr 30, 2024, 05:44 PM
Apr 2024

From 22 minutes in "The World Tonight" radio programme (live link here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_fourfm , or this might work after it ends (only about 10 minutes from now) : https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001yqv8

Then they interviewed her. And she's a complete nut-job. She claims Zelensky and Biden are "corrupt" and "idiots". She's spreading the Putin disinformation. And tries to claim it's nothing to do with getting primaried. Or that she's changed her position.

Cha

(319,076 posts)
44. TY.. a magat robot. Grateful Ukraine 🇺🇦
Tue Apr 30, 2024, 06:02 PM
Apr 2024

Got their Aid in spite of ugly Putin puppets

OAITW r.2.0

(32,133 posts)
11. Indeed....there's a real story to be told about why Republicans suddenly change their tune.
Mon Apr 29, 2024, 08:33 PM
Apr 2024

It's not a better political argument.

2naSalit

(102,793 posts)
5. Not everyone born there...
Mon Apr 29, 2024, 08:12 PM
Apr 2024

Is on the side of democracy, some are for ruzzia. She might be one of those.

OAITW r.2.0

(32,133 posts)
33. Can you elucidate?
Mon Apr 29, 2024, 11:33 PM
Apr 2024
She's on the side of Republicans now, but was a pro-Ukrainian refugee What happened?

2naSalit

(102,793 posts)
34. Says she was...
Mon Apr 29, 2024, 11:38 PM
Apr 2024

Born in Ukraine, that is all. It assumes that because she was born there that she's automatically pro Ukraine of today. Many ruzzians and ruzzian patriots were born there. People come here for many reasons. Maybe she's part of a sleeper cell, you know?

That she's currently an R, is telling. I just think she wasn't really Ukrainian Ukrainian at any point int time.

OAITW r.2.0

(32,133 posts)
37. I could be wrong....and I most frequently am......
Mon Apr 29, 2024, 11:55 PM
Apr 2024

but I think she came for a better life and someone convinced her to be a Republican with a nice salary and a script.

OTOH, I send this tune as I am writing this.

https://music.

&si=bfpwwe2zVtcIMp0d

2naSalit

(102,793 posts)
38. And I could be wrong too.
Tue Apr 30, 2024, 12:15 AM
Apr 2024

You have a valid point, she could have just been convinced by someone to go that route.

LiberalFighter

(53,544 posts)
17. There are crazy Republican ads in my district. Indiana 3rd District
Mon Apr 29, 2024, 08:59 PM
Apr 2024

Grant Bucher
Wendy W. Davis *
Michael Felker
Jon Kenworthy
Tim Smith *
Marlin A. Stutzman *
Eric Whalen
Andy Zay *

Those with an asterisk have ads. Haven't seen any for the others. They are all creepy.

Chellee

(2,300 posts)
25. Stutzman will fit right in.
Mon Apr 29, 2024, 10:22 PM
Apr 2024

He retired last time under a cloud of ethics investigations for campaign finance violations.

haele

(15,399 posts)
21. Lots of Russians were resettled in Ukraine by Stalin after the Holodomor.
Mon Apr 29, 2024, 09:45 PM
Apr 2024

From the 30's through the 50's. This to replace native Ukrainians, Tartars, and other groups found not to be loyal to Stalin.
She may have been born in Ukraine, but her family historically might well be ethnic Russians, and owed much of their relative prosperity in Ukraine to the old Soviet resettlement policy.

Haele

tornado34jh

(1,527 posts)
35. The thing is, Ukraine is very complicated, even after independence
Mon Apr 29, 2024, 11:40 PM
Apr 2024

Victoria Spartz (born Viktoria Kul'heyko) was born in Nosivka, in what is Chernihiv Oblast in northern Ukraine. There is a significant minority of Russians and Belarusians there in the northern districts. There are many Ukrainians, particularly the older ones, who were under communism/socialism, but yet when the Soviet Union collapsed, it ended up being very difficult post-independence to find work because during Soviet times, there were a lot of them. Ukrainian culture was suppressed for a long time and it's only recently within the last decade or so that Ukraine really asserted itself as being independent of Russia. But again, Ukraine has been divided linguistically between Ukrainian and Russian for a long time, particularly in Crimea and eastern Ukraine, even despite the fact that most of the people of eastern Ukraine voted for Ukraine to be independent. Even now, politically, there are big divisions within Ukraine, although it doesn't seem like it right now. But again, since she is in Indiana, it isn't surprising that she would follow the GOP playbook.

maxrandb

(17,427 posts)
41. If you tried to produce a movie
Tue Apr 30, 2024, 07:36 AM
Apr 2024

and you presented a character that was a Russian asset who won a Congressional seat in Congress, and Rep. Spartz was your example, it would be rejected for being too obvious.

 

Azathoth

(4,677 posts)
42. "Locked in a GOP primary battle"
Tue Apr 30, 2024, 08:08 AM
Apr 2024

So not a serious person and should not be expected to act seriously.

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