I thought that I was viewing the Jan 6 mob again. Breaking doors and windows to enter

[question everything]

a building. But instead of waving the Confederate flag they are waving a Palestinian flag and instead of charging into the Capitol this is Columbia University.

The rioters better be made to pay for the damage.

[shrike3]

1. My reaction exactly. n/t

[debm55]

13. Agree,

[womanofthehills]

63. So while a window was broken today

How many Palestinian kids were killed?

“I am watching a toddler die on a table in a field hospital in Rafah with half her face blown apart while listening to college students fight tears reporting on a police assault on their campus for protesting that, and I feel like I am losing my fucking mind.”

Link to tweet

?s=46&t=YZgyyp4w_z7vW3neKxa6cQ

[LeftInTX]

65. Did their riot solve anything?

[oldsoftie]

2. The city/state cops need to step in regardless of Columbia being "private property"

Many laws have been broken. Th cops need to go in & take charge of the situation.
This is ridiculous. And your statement is EXACTLY right. And boy aren't we going to hear it from the cult

[Mosby]

4. They say they cant go in until they get a call from the admins

It's crazy.

[oldsoftie]

25. I just dont buy it. You cant break laws just because you're on private property

Hell, people get busted in their own home all the time for breaking laws
The city or state is chicken shit on this.

[Big Blue Marble]

83. Who is in the cult of which you speak? N/t

[oldsoftie]

85. The trump cult. "Why aren't the cops treating them like the patriots at the Capitol?"

Because the optics of them breaking into that building & taking it over look the same
It never wouldve happened if they'd cracked down 2 weeks ago when they SHOULD have.

[Turbineguy]

3. Get expelled from Columbia for Hamas

Who have no appreciation for it.

Smooth move!

I suppose they could join the trump campaign. They need useful idiots.

[Deuxcents]

5. This is not how to protest or address grievances about any issue. This is destroying property

And their concerns and/or convictions about the matter are no longer respected as they have become increasingly violent and have lost their voice.

[wnylib]

15. This is why some colleges shut down the protests when

they first got started. The potential for violence was high. They wanted to prevent what Columbia is dealing with now

[Alpeduez21]

6. Links?

[question everything]

23. Columbia University pro-Gaza student protesters face expulsion for Hamilton Hall takeover

https://www.yahoo.com/news/columbia-university-pro-gaza-student-004800215.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

[TeamProg]

7. So.. no response to THE REASON for their protests.. Got it.

[Coventina]

12. lol!!!!

This action helps Palestinians, how?

[lapucelle]

30. ...

Link to tweet

[TeamProg]

33. How does killing 33,000+ Palestinians help Israel? I guess I'm missing something here.

[Coventina]

39. Yes, you are. N/T

[lapucelle]

32. Apparently, this is the REASON for the Columbia protest

[Beastly Boy]

34. Reasons? What reasons? They have reasons to show off, play victim, get likes on social media, brake laws, insult jews?

Their reasons didn't feed a single Palestinian. What is there to respond to?

[TeamProg]

36. 33,000+ largely unnecessary Palestinian deaths. And who had been playing the

victim all of thus time?! Hmmm, well gosh, let’s look at it again.

[Beastly Boy]

46. Gosh, let's look, shall we?

Who has been facilitating the 33,000+ unnecessary Palestinian deaths? Who has been turning Palestinian schools, hospitals and neighborhoods into military targets? Who can stop these deaths tomorrow by simply releasing the hostages? Hell, who got this slaughter started in the first place?

You did mean to look at it and not past it, didn't you?

I don't recall the Columbia rioters ever mentioning these reasons. They did, however mention zionists a lot, mostly in the context of not seeing a reason for them to live. Is this the reason you wanted to bring attention to?

[lapucelle]

40. You forgot "get to wear cool cosplay stuff I bought on Amazon". N/T

[LeftInTX]

53. She says they are dying of dehydration and starving, so they are going to the pokey for some bread and water.

Maybe they will go on a prison strike to protest the harsh jail conditions.

Much of the reason unfortunately, is lost in hypocrisy.

Link to tweet

[Patton French]

68. Columbia and its students have zero to do with Gaza.

Do the protesters not know that, or is this about something else?

[wnylib]

69. Divestment. They want colleges to end any investments

in their portfolios in Israeli businesses and in US companies that do business with Israel.

[Patton French]

70. I don't see the connection.

How are employees of companies in Israel, who are just living their lives, responsible for Gaza?

[wnylib]

72. The idea behind it is that any money that goes into Israel

is supportive of Israel and therefore supportive of Israeli policies. They want to hurt Israel financially to force Israel to change its policies toward Palestinians.

It's part of a program that Palestinians and their supporters call BDS. The B is for boycott. I don't remember what the S is for. It's a huge issue with pro Palestinians, with websites dedicated to methods of protest, places to find protests, materials to buy and use, etc. They have a big presence on college campuses.

They equate their BDS movement with the divestment and boycott of South Africa and say that it worked there to end apartheid so it should work for Palestine. They quote Anglican Bishop Desmond Tutu on South African rights. Therefore, the movement is very big in Anglican churches, aka Episcopal Church in the US. Their website encourages boycott and divestment of Israel on behalf of Palestinians. Other liberal churches have joined the movement, e g. the Presbyterian Church USA, and the Evangelical Lutheran Church. Sometimes the PCUSA statements contain anti-Semitic language and the ADL calls them out on it. See link below:

https://www.adl.org/resources/news/presbyterian-churchs-lost-moral-compass-israel

Sometimes Episcopal priests use antisemitic religious interpretations of the Bible to promote BDS actions and fundraising for Palestinians. I have heard a sermon like that in an Episcopal church.

Those are liberal, left-leaning churches. That's where some of the leftist protesters are coming from, besides the presence of pro Palestinian literature on campuses and some Palestinian websites.

I disagree with the analogy to South Africa. Different situations and circumstances. But, distorted terminology, like apartheid, gains more recruits than straight facts.

I do agree that there are injustices in Israeli policies regarding the West Bank that need to be changed. The Israeli settlements there should be abolished. But it's a land grab, not apartheid. Many of the other demands and statements by Palestinians and their protesters are absurd and dishonestly presented, so I would never support them, even though I do believe that some Israeli policies need to be changed or abolished.

I have no proof (yet), but I strongly suspect that Hamas has a hand in the BDS promotion literature, maybe also Iran and Russia. Some of the literature rhetoric echoes Hamas viewpoints. .

[homegirl]

77. I suspect the "S"

Is for SLAUGHTER !!!!

[wnylib]

79. Try "sanctions." I just looked it up.

I don't think that pro Palestinian protesters are concerned with slaughter in general, since they don't demonstrate against Hamas. Slaughter is an issue with them only when they label Israel with it.

[Oopsie Daisy]

8. National Guard is on standby...

... they will regret their poor choices.

[Alpeduez21]

31. Maybe some of them will even get shot!

Won't that be great?

[Oopsie Daisy]

66. It would be a tragic ending. They should leave now.

[TeamProg]

37. What are suggesting?

[Oopsie Daisy]

67. Suggesting? I'm not "suggesting" anything, Sport. I'm plainly saying it *

* I wrote what I meant, and I meant what I wrote. It's right there in plain English to be taken at face-value. I regret that I lack the skills to rephrase it in a way that is easier to comprehend, or that is more appealing to the eyes and ears. I cannot control the impulses of readers who wish to "see more" than what's actually there, or who desire to make inferences beyond my actual words.

[HandmaidsTaleUntold]

9. Agent Provocateurs Could Be Leading Them

When I was involved in a lot of anti-war and anti-racism protests in the 80s there was always informant snitches with extreme beliefs that encouraged violence or property destruction. They always looked like radical activists or were supposed members of communist or socialist groups but they were plants trying to get everyone in trouble or looking bad in the media. Luckily we didn’t fall for it and kicked them out or marginalized them. Always makes me wonder. It really sucks getting gaslit by Trumpers co-opting our history pretending this happened to them. No. That’s their fantasy. It was real with us and they are just under the narcissism spell of Trumps pathology.

[BumRushDaShow]

10. MSNBC had some vid and stills

and it looked like some of those in there are anarchists and "Black Bloc", wearing black clothes, black hats, and black masks (and/or are using those tactics).

[littlemissmartypants]

11. Definitely. I suspect that there's a Charles Manson wannabe in there somewhere, too.

[KS Toronado]

17. I suspect some are hoping to influence the next election

[SunSeeker]

18. Yup, like this douchebag, who looks like he's in his 30s:

[BumRushDaShow]

22. And this little group putting up a barricade

[Always Blue]

14. Really

Must not remember the 60s very well.

[LeftInTX]

55. I do and I remember that crap

A GI I know was knifed by protesters for wearing a uniform.

Good times
not!!!

[Warpy]

16. Door breakers can kiss that Columbia degree goodbye

They'll be charged with destruction of property and assessed damages.

Cops will eventually be sent in to roust them.

60s flashbacks.

[question everything]

24. Tuition is a lot more expensive now. They will still have to pay their loans

or just expect their parents to absorb the wasted payments?

[Scrivener7]

19. Looks like one broken window and a lot of moved furniture.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/columbias-hamilton-hall-takeover-photos-from-inside.html

Nothing like January 6 at all. And the comparison is irresponsible.

[lapucelle]

42. THe New York Magazine narrative is at odds with what the facilities worker said happened to him.

A Facilities worker who was in the building exited the building at around 12:40 a.m., after shouting at the protesters occupying the Hamilton lobby to let him leave. As he left Hamilton, he yelled at the crowd, “They held me hostage.”

https://www.columbiaspectator.com/news/2024/04/30/dozens-occupy-hamilton-hall-as-pro-palestinian-protests-spread-across-campus/


From your link:

When they started pulling the furniture down, they encountered two facilities workers who were still on site. The students were telling the facilities workers that they needed to leave.

The employee in the Yankees hat said they were not going to tell him what to do and that he was doing his job. They were trying to calm him down and convince him to leave and I think they tried to touch him to calm him down, and he responded by pushing.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/columbias-hamilton-hall-takeover-photos-from-inside.html

[Scrivener7]

43. From his account, does it sound to you like he was being held hostage?

Or does that sound to you like just another piece of the absurd hyperbole that seems to pervade this issue?

Because most people holding a hostage don't release the hostage because the hostage raised his voice.

And why is the second facilities worker not complaining he was "held hostage?"

[lapucelle]

44. So you think that what the facilities worker said happened to him isn't true?

Maybe the intrepid cub reporter who took the pictures should interview the worker.

And then maybe someone can interview the intrepid cub reporter and ask him why he thinks that being touched by a member of a masked mob would "calm someone down".

[Scrivener7]

45. I think there is a lot of absurd hyperbole around this, causing people's emotions to run high.

And no, I don't think he was held hostage. Because, for the reasons I gave in the above post, his own report just doesn't make sense.

[question everything]

73. Take another look

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218911270

[Scrivener7]

76. As I've said elsewhere:

I did my graduate degree at Columbia. Want to see real damage? Look at the campus the day after a Halloween that falls on a weekend.

[Big Blue Marble]

84. Seriously that is the extent of the destruction?

How does that compare to the millions of dollars of vandalism in the Capitol?

[wnylib]

20. It is so far out of hand now that I fear that removal

will result in injuries and more violence, perhaps full blown riots in the streets.

The protesters have brought the Middle East wars to the US.

[JohnSJ]

26. No they haven't. What they have done is just f**ked their future

[wnylib]

28. That, too.

[Tom of Temecula]

21. My informed guess

... is that the idiots at Columbia and the idiots who did Jan 6 have all been working
for the same guy.

They are just too stupid to figure it out.

[AnrothElf]

29. Yup it's a moral panic. Fake moral outrage by entitled children and their groomers/handlers

[TeamProg]

38. This isn't what we want to see. Maybe if Israel hadn't killed 33,000+ Palestinians then this wouldn't

have happened. Probably not!

[Coventina]

47. Maybe if Hamas had not attacked Israeli citizens during a cease-fire

torturing, killing, and taking hostages, this wouldn't have happened!

[TeamProg]

48. Yah and if Israel hadn't annexed and allowed "settlers" to take over Palestinian designated land.

Who wouldn’t fight back?



History will NOT be kind.

Once a ceasefire is set and the world’s media sees up close what Israel has done to Gaza, it won’t be good for the IDF, Netanyahu nor his supporters.

You think people are blind?

[Coventina]

50. So, torture, rape, murder of random folks is A.OK by aggrieved parties?

You're right, history generally is not kind to scum who do those things.

[TeamProg]

51. The IDF has done the same.

[Coventina]

52. If that is true, I have not seen the news reports. Can you give me links?

That being said, there are always bad actors in a war.
Never forget, that HAMAS started this war and could end it tomorrow by SURRENDERING and releasing the hostages.
But, they are cowards who would rather hid behind skirts and diapers.
And that is an actual war crime. They've boasted about it.

[TeamProg]

54. New reports confirm months of Israeli torture, abuse, and

sexual violence against Palestinian prisoners
For months Palestinian prisoners have shared testimonies of torture at the hands of Israeli military and prison authorities. New reports shed more light on the abuse, particularly sexual violence, carried out inside Israeli detention centers.

Two new reports came out last week regarding the torture and cruel treatment of Palestinians in Israeli prisons and detention centers since October 7, including reports of sexual violence against Palestinian women and girls. The reports have renewed conversations around the harsh conditions of Palestinians being held in Israeli captivity, which Palestinian detainees themselves and rights groups have been sounding the alarm over for months.

On February 19, UN human rights experts expressed their alarm over what they described as “egregious human rights violations” carried out by Israeli forces against Palestinian women and girls in Gaza. In addition to the extrajudicial and arbitrary execution of women and children in Gaza, the UN experts highlighted the treatment of female Palestinian detainees in Israeli prisons.

[Coventina]

56. Links?

I want to read the original source. Thanks.

[TeamProg]

57. That's most everything from the source.

[TeamProg]

58. Here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondoweiss

Mondoweiss is a news website[4][5] that began as a general-interest blog written by Philip Weiss on The New York Observer website. It subsequently developed into a broader collaborative venture after fellow journalist Adam Horowitz joined it as co-editor.[6] In 2010, Weiss described the website's purpose as one of covering American foreign policy in the Middle East from a 'progressive Jewish perspective'.

https://mondoweiss.net/2024/02/new-reports-confirm-months-of-israeli-torture-abuse-and-sexual-violence-against-palestinian-prisoners/

[Coventina]

64. Thank you. I hope all these allegations are fully investigated. nt

[Zeitghost]

60. Annexed...

In a war of aggression by all off her Arab neighbors who violently attacked Israel for the crime of existing as a Jewish State.

Should Ukraine turn the tables and kick out the attacking Russians within their borders and then expand out a bit to create a buffer to help thwart future attacks, it would be met with cheers and the universal message to the Russians would be, you fucked around and you found out.

But the bar is always higher for Israel, the goalposts are always moved and the actions that any other nation would take in a similar situation are always condemned with false claims of genocide. Why? Because they are Jews.

[Marthe48]

41. I am trying to be generous in understanding their motive

The students are protesting U.S. policy. I think. That is unclear to me. Are the students protesting the U.S. policy of sending weapons to Israel, which has been a policy in place for a long time, because Israel has been our most reliable ally in that part of the Middle East? If the students are protesting the ongoing attack on Gaza, the U.S. isn't doing that and is trying to convince Israel to stop. I don't like the way the protests on campus seem so coordinated, and I can't help wondering who or what is behind the rapid spread of this particular protest. Lawrence O'Donnell said said there there are protests at 48 U.S. colleges and universities out of more than 6000. Maybe this seems worse because Columbia is close to so many news headquarters and they can send reporters out to cover the action and then go get lunch.

I don't have a problem with college students protesting American policies. I have an intense problem with Americans trying to overthrow their government violently and with ignorance aforethought. I want to remember there is a difference in motivation and hope that the students will come to realize that the U.S. government isn't sending troops to Gaza and the U.S. government isn't the Israeli government. Maybe the student protest would be more effective if they protested at the Israeli embassies in the larger American cities.

[TeamProg]

49. All good points. nt

[jimfields33]

61. I think tik tok easily was able to get coordinated

Obviously not the website, but those who use it. Remember how easily it was to get people to the airports all over the country for immigrants coming in? That was only 4 years ago at most.

[Marthe48]

71. I meant to mention that social media

probably helped facilitate the protests.

Thank you

[LakeArenal]

78. I think there is much outside agitation, that cares little about any issue being protested.

We blew up Sterling Hall. Oh wait, that was just one guy.

Painting any “side” with a broad brush is wrong in my opinion.

Starvation, retribution and obstruction are definitely worth protesting.

Who is to “blame”? Not civilians.

[Kennah]

62. I disagree with the protesters approach, but they aren't trying to overthrow the government

[question everything]

75. This is not the point. They want to get their goal - whatever it is - by violdence

At least the Jan 6 rioters were identified by their faces on social media. These cowards put masks on their faces so that future employers would not recognize them.

[Kennah]

82. There are lots of groups that don masks and engage in violence.

I'm not condoning it, just saying that I think they are quite different from the Jan 6 terrorists.

[PeaceWave]

74. One big difference - The January 6 mob didn't have the audacity to demand that food be delivered to them.

[LeftInTX]

80. I can't help but LOL

In reality Meal Team Six probably brought food with them. (Seriously, they probably did considering what their goals were)
Fortunately, Meal Team Six was pushed out to the street and were eating their survivalist food in their vans by supper time. Thank God!

[NavyDem]

81. At UNC Chapel Hill

They dropped the American flag and raised the Palestinian flag. I am sure someone will come along and justify that as well.