How could Muslims in the U. S. A. be convinced to vote for Biden in 2024

[Jrose]

and not take votes away from him, therefore tipping the scales to Djt by selecting 'uncommitted' or not voting at all?
They must be aware that allowing Djt to be re-elected would be a plunge from the pan to the fire!

[Scrivener7]

1. How? By pointing out what the vile thing has planned for them if they let him win.

[Hotler]

2. Joe Biden won't arrest them and put them in camps for deportation. nt

[David__77]

3. Crude generalizations to follow...

[Duncan Grant]

11. +1

[comradebillyboy]

4. How does Biden placate people who will not be placated?

Move on to the voters who are up for grabs and don't worry about the folks who will not listen.

[dalton99a]

5. +1

[B.See]

24. Yes. And it applies to Muslims and non-Muslims alike

There comes a time when one must realize there are those who, for various reasons, will forever remain unreachable. Including a helluva lot of MAGAS their supporters, apologists, and defenders.. of any ethnicity or religion.

Lend power to truth, and hold firm to the nobler principles that most inspires that of your own.

[MistakenLamb]

32. a lot of these Muslim voters have already left the Democratic Party over LBGTQ policies

[randr]

6. If they don't know that tfg would be worse

they need to step off the political platform they are on.

[PeaceWave]

7. Most folks already have their minds made up...

I will say this though - If Muslim Americans throw this election to Donald Trump, they'll be on a political island for decades to come. They'll be targeted by Republicans and distrusted by Democrats. And, the anticipated "See what you made me do" excuse for their non-votes is only going to make their plight all the worse.

[Gore1FL]

8. Trump wants to put them in camps, deport them, and otherwise ban them.

If they don't want to vote for Biden, they cannot be convinced.

[Deep State Witch]

9. By Withdrawing All Material Support to Israel

As a starter. But that's unlikely to happen.

[Kid Berwyn]

10. Easy.

Remind them:

Trump tried to ban Muslims from entering the United States.

And:

Biden respects their humanity.

[Duncan Grant]

12. This is my favorite hypothetical dog whistle on DU.

Maybe we should focus on anti-abortion Catholics. Joe’s a Catholic fer cryin out loud.

Anyhoo, this all lands as anti-Muslim sentiment to me. And it happens — a lot.

[LeftInTX]

17. I see Muslims as a pretty cohesive group. (Bound by similar ethnicities)

I don't know if that would be considered anti-Muslim, but that is my observation.
anti-abortion Catholics are a lost cause. Trump will support their cause. Biden will not.

Trump is much more pro-Israel than Biden.
Trump moved the American Embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv into disputed Palestinian territory. It provoked outrage.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/10/18/us-jerusalem-consulate-merger-draws-palestinian-anger
https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/24/middleeast/donald-trump-us-embassy-israel-explainer/index.html

Fortunately, for Trump, he didn't need to deal with the worst Israeli-Palestinian conflict since 1948.
However, I can't imagine Trump supporting humanitarian aid for Gaza the way Biden has.
Trump defunded UNRWA. Biden refunded it. (Biden defunded it again when it appeared that Hamas was embedded with UNRWA)
Biden has been pro-Israel by providing military aid, Trump would do the same and probably much more. Trump would revoke all humanitarian aid to Gaza. Trump would not negotiate a cease-fire.


I am also somewhat familiar with family life and structure in the ME. Family life with extended family is the basis for social structure.

[yardwork]

19. Every Catholic I know is a staunch, voting Democrat.

My MIL for instance. Goes to mass every week, votes for Democrats always, never misses an election.

See my post downthread. White people love to point at minorities and expect them to save our democracy every election because we know that a strong majority of our white, straight, evangelical Christian relatives, friends and neighbors are going to vote Republican.

Time to get our own house in order.

[jimfields33]

30. Catholics are definitely democratic supporters

Other Christian religions are not as much. But Catholics get unfairly grouped in with the others.

[yardwork]

33. That's my experience. People assume Catholics vote based on abortion.

Again, in my experience, many Catholics aren't motivated by abortion in their voting choices. Maybe it's because they view abortion as a personal, spiritual decision, not something to be dictated by the government.

[jimfields33]

35. No and as the years go on even less are militant pro lifers

Most want it between woman and doctor and rather not even have it an issue.

[NanaCat]

37. Your anecdote is not data

You don't know all Catholics, only a very--VERY--small subset of them. Here's what talking to more of them looks like, from November 2020:

The Edison exit polls estimate that 52% of all Catholic voters went for Biden this year, and 47% for Trump. The Edison exit polls in 2016 showed a 46% Catholic vote for Clinton, and 50% for Trump. These estimates thus reflect a three-point downturn for the Trump vote among Catholics and a five-point uptick for the Democratic candidate (Biden compared with Clinton).

The AP VoteCast estimates of the national Catholic vote this year show an almost even split: 49% of Catholics voted for Biden and 50% for Trump. This would represent a very small gain for Biden when compared with Edison's 2016 polling, with no change for Trump.

How different are these voting patterns among Catholics compared with previous elections? Available data show that Kennedy received roughly 80% of the Catholic vote in 1960 (estimates vary), but that was a different time with a different partisan structure. By 2004, when Kerry was the Catholic nominee for the Democratic Party, Catholics went for Bush (52%) over Kerry (47%). In 2008, when Obama defeated McCain by seven points overall, Obama won the Catholic vote 54% to 45%. And in 2012, Obama got 50% while Romney got 48%.

https://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/324410/religious-group-voting-2020-election.aspx

For the math-challenged, anything less than 100% equals an automatic disqualification for the term 'all.'

[yardwork]

38. I never said I was speaking other than anecdotally.

Comparing the voting patterns of Catholics to evangelical white Protestants tends to reinforce my point, though.

I think if you stratified the Catholic vote by age you would see an even more marked leaning toward voting Democratic among younger Catholics.

[JI7]

13. You don't need to try to "convince" anyone

people will vote how they want.

And Biden was losing this group even before October over lgbt and other social issues.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

14. To the Muslims who say they won't vote for Biden next year, don't say you haven't been warned.

Link to tweet

[LetMyPeopleVote]

15. The whole "we can't vote for Biden because of xyz" thing has worn thin

Link to tweet

[LexVegas]

16. Their religious beliefs align more with evangelical Christians. nt

[yardwork]

18. Maybe white Christian voters could focus more on our own groups.

I have no idea if most Muslim Americans are Democrats or not. I do know that if a majority of white straight Christian Americans would stop voting for Republicans every year, we wouldn't have to count on minorities to save our democracy.

It gets really old. People are worried that "not enough" Black voters will support Joe Biden. Well, something like 90% of Black people (and I think 95% of Black women) are consistent, reliable Democratic voters. The Black voters are not the problem!

We white Democrats need to work on OUR community instead of pointing fingers at others. Just a thought.

[Duncan Grant]

20. And then, truth walked into the room...

That was a pleasure to read. You should drop that into an OP someday. 👋

[yardwork]

21. Thanks, Duncan.

I appreciate it and I appreciate you.

[B.See]

25. I'd agree and would expand that further by saying

that there are too many in white and in minority communities who aren't doing their part in raising awareness of what this November election (possibly our last) is really about.

I'm not so much speaking of the grass roots efforts to register and empower voters and fight MAGA efforts to suppress the vote,

but of the lack of political activism and involvement by those who many Americans look to, or follow, in media and elsewhere, including athletes, celebrities, and others who are in a position to deliver wide reaching and powerful messages as to the stakes involved this election.

I read frightening political s*** on a daily basis in news feeds etc. then come across some story about what outfit some celebrity wore, some kind of silly back and forth s*** between big name athletes, someone being 'dised' in someone's song lyrics, petty feuds, he said she saids, and other inconsequential lala land bullshit,

while MAGA destroys our rights, the MSM peddles 'normalcy' and our nation careens ever closer towards a fascist dictatorship.

Wake the fuck up, America.

[jimfields33]

36. Yes most are trying to keep a roof over their heads

and food on the table. I’m sure some would love to do more but life isn’t easy and they don’t have the privilege of time or excess money.

[JustAnotherGen]

29. This is wonderful!

Truth be told at last!

[LeftInTX]

31. We're trying to retain a voting bloc....

The same thing could be said about the Latino community. But for me, the Latino community isn't an "other" community. It's where I live.

I don't do well in white communities because white people don't think I'm white or something..(Even though I am)

[yardwork]

34. Getting out the vote is always the right approach.

All I'm saying is that white Democrats need to stop pointing fingers and handwringing because we're worried minority voters won't save us from our relatives, neighbors, church community, etc.

Democrats have to get better at mobilizing our vote, beginning at home.

[Johonny]

22. Trump is running on deporting you

So if Biden loses they won't have to worry about voting in American elections anymore as they won't be in America anymore. Oh, I know you might think you're a legal resident and American, but when there is no longer rule of law, anyone Trump hates can be declared illegal. So there's that to look forward too. We're all going away to detention camp. Whee!!!!

[LetMyPeopleVote]

23. Trump: On day one I will restore and expand my Muslim ban

Link to tweet

[DFW]

26. I have a simple solution for at least some of them

For those with cognitive functions, remind them of the alternative.

I’m at a loss how to reach the rest.

**This goes for a few fringe groups, as well, notably atheists, Christians, Jews, Wiccans, Zoroastrians, Rastafarians, believers of Santería and followers of Eywa who have received green cards from the Men in Black.

[cropoucuyapou]

27. General Discussion

Thanks

[iemanja]

39. If the singular concern for an entire ethnic group

is not their interests or well-being but how to win their votes, the goal is already lost.

[EllieBC]

40. If they think there'll be a way to make everything OK after Trump

If he is elected, they’re going to be in for probably a lifetime of hurt. He hasn’t made it secret what he plans to do. Are they really this fucking stupid?

He has said he will make elections secure. That means that he’ll make it so that there aren’t any.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

41. Why Trump's hardline position on U.S. policy in Gaza matters

Donald Trump has a message for voters who disapprove of President Joe Biden’s Israel/Gaza policy from the left: The Republican intends to be vastly worse.

Link to tweet

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trumps-hardline-position-us-policy-gaza-matters-rcna150391

In theory, Donald Trump might recognize the electoral opportunity and try to appeal to those who disapprove on the incumbent president’s Israel/Gaza policy from the left. In practice, the former president has an unsubtle message for Biden’s critics: If given the chance, the Republican intends to be vastly worse.

The Biden White House, for example, acknowledged this week that it is, as the Associated Press reported, “weighing measures to help Palestinians living in the United States who want to bring family from the war-torn region.”

Soon after, as Reuters reported, the presumptive GOP nominee shared his thoughts on the subject at a campaign rally.

“Your towns and villages will now be accepting people from Gaza and various other places,” Trump said, eliciting boos from the crowd. “Under no circumstances shall we bring thousands of refugees.” Last week, Trump described the pro-Palestinian protests as driven by “tremendous hate” while asserting that the violence at a 2017 white nationalist rally with some Trump supporters in Charlottesville, Virginia, when he was president was small by comparison.

Note, at one of his campaign events yesterday, Trump appeared to goad his followers in Wisconsin into booing Palestinian refugees.

Link to tweet

At the same event, the former president also vowed to restore and expand the Muslim ban he imposed during his first term......

The former president also endorsed ongoing Israeli military operations, saying, “We have to let Israel complete their war on terror. It’s a horrible thing, but they have to do it.” Trump added that Israel must “clean out the cancer.”

Let’s also not forget a New York Times report from March that said top members of Trump’s team want to expel Palestinians from Gaza.

It’s as if the Republican is going out of his way to alienate voters who, given their frustrations with Biden’s policy, might be inclined to give Trump a second look.

TFG will bring back the Muslim ban, give Bibi free reign to bomb and destroy Gaza and expel Palestinians from Gaza so that Jared can build his resorts.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

42. Donald Trump's position is that Israel is being too cautious in Gaza and needs to "finish what they started,.."

If TFG is re-elected, Bibi Netanyahu will be free to destroy Gaza and finish the job he started. Bibi Netanyahu has not been able to destroy Gaza in the way he wants due to President Biden.

Link to tweet