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[Kingofalldems]

1. Kick and rec.

[Marthe48]

2. and yet, he is still in place

Wish they'd shake the tree and knock the sob loose

[B.See]

3. Thanks for this post. I remember prior to

the 2020 election, after Dejoy took over, there were many reports of the same. Another one of Trump's sycophants quietly working to sabotage democracy.

Funny how these type of stories don't seem to get much play or attention, especially from the MSM.

[underpants]

19. Originally reported by CNN but I can't find it even searching on their website

[Baitball Blogger]

4. Why is he still there.

[2naSalit]

6. Exactly my question.

He should have been gone years ago.

Maybe he'll accidentally fall off the planet real soon.

[keithbvadu2]

5. Surely there must be a cost-benefit analysis to make such a business decision. Let's see it.

Throwing away million$ worth of mail sorting machines and going back to manual labor.

Surely there must be a cost-benefit analysis to make such a business decision. Let's see it.

How USPS Sorts Mail

[brooklynite]

23. How about this (previously discussed by a Postal Service employee)

The number of LETTERS (which can go through sorting machines) has been going down for years. A larger share of Postal Service deliveries is PACKAGES (which can’t go through sorting machines). So the Postal Service has chosen to consolidate sorting in larger markets and move other mail there to be sorted. You may not like the business strategy, but there’s no evidence today (and none in 2020) that this is an attempt to interfere with the election especially with Republicans now realizing that vote by mail actually works for them.

[keithbvadu2]

41. Cost benefit analysis?

[Think. Again.]

7. The article seems to be deliberately leaving out information...

The article states:

"Postal Service employees have said that removing outdated machines is routine,..."

but the article does nothing to address the obvious question raised by that statement which is..

"Does the Post Office then replace those machnes with up to date equipment?"

And then...

"Did the Post Office remove these 711 machines because they are 'outdated' and are being replaced with up to date equipment?"

Seems like this article is trying to cover for the Post Office.

[underpants]

20. The Hills recap on Twitter said wires were cut and the machines were left outside

So they could never be used again.

I can’t find that part at The Hill link.

[Think. Again.]

38. On 711 machines?

That was obviously not some kind of accident.

[onetexan]

49. this is the same stunt he pulled last election.

DeJackass needs to go.

[MichMan]

46. If they're no longer needed since letter volume is down, why would they replace them? n/t

[Think. Again.]

47. I believe the concern is that...

...they are actually needed due to mail-in voting, but I'm only going by this one rather thin article.

[dutch777]

8. Assuming Repugs vote by mail too, just as much a GOP issue as Dem. Need to fix Board that appoint PM General

He answers to an independent Board that seems RW bent

[Lonestarblue]

9. Biden has appointed Democrats to the Board. They haven't done a thing about DeJoy.

I think the Board has a full number of governors now. Either DeJoy is a slick talker who has fooled them into believing that he is doing great things for the USPS or they just don’t care. I’m totally perplexed why he is still there.

[hadEnuf]

29. I don't know why people keep deluding themselves about shit like this.

DeJoy is obviously another Trump plant that infiltrated his way into the USPS in order to do whatever he can to help him cheat his way into the White House and / or break the institution.

[brooklynite]

34. And Biden and the Postal Board just aren't as perceptive as you are?

[hadEnuf]

63. Are you?

[DENVERPOPS]

14. It is as much a Republican issue as dem..

Only if the machines aren't exclusively removed in primarily Democrat voter's areas, which I would guess is a probability.....

Biden should just figure out some way DeJoy's actions interfere with "National Security", etc and just shit can Dejoy. He has been doing massive damage to the USPS since before the last election, and will continue in any way possible for another six months......

[Silent Type]

10. They don't need all the flat-sorters they have and they are consolidating facilities.

Hate DeJoy or not, today’s post office is nothing like it was 20 years ago. Don’t know about others, but I know few people who use post office for most letters, bills, etc. But more are sending packages, etc.

Loved riding with my granddad on his rural postal route in the 1950s. But things are different nowadays.

[jalan48]

11. Do both parties support privatization of the PO?

[ashredux]

22. No. Privatization of the Postal Service will be a disaster for the public.

[onetexan]

50. Existence of the postal svc is in the Constitution. It must remain federally managed & cannot be privatized.

[jalan48]

54. "Is Postal Privatization a Danger? Yes. It has already begun." --American Postal Workers Union

"....And degrading service paves the way for priva-
tization. Recent cuts in service – the virtual elimi-
nation of overnight delivery of first-class mail, the
closure of mail processing centers and shorter hours
at post offices – undermine the mission of the Post-
al Service. They also undermine confidence in and
support for the Postal Service, increasing the danger
of privatization."

https://apwu.org/sites/apwu/files/resource-files/In-Depth%20Flyer%203%20-%20Privatization.pdf

[onetexan]

57. Oh i'm sure that idiot dejackass has wreaked havoc no doubt

Issue here is whose working to get him the heck out.

[Hekate]

12. Destruction and profit; profit and destruction. Never a thought for public service.

My disgust knows no bounds.

[Fla Dem]

13. The President has no authority to hire or fire the Postmaster General.

The nine-member United States Postal Service Board of Governors has the sole authority to fire, and hire, the Postmaster General.

No more than five governors at any one time may be from the same political party. The governors select and have the authority to remove the Postmaster General.

The Board of Governors of the United States Postal Service sets policy, procedure, and postal rates for services rendered. It has a similar role to a corporate board of directors. Of the eleven members of the Board, nine are appointed by the president and confirmed by the U.S. Senate (see 39 U.S.C.


United States Postal Service - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Postal_Service#:~:text=The%20Board%20of%20Governors%20of,U.S.%20Senate%20(see%2039%20U.S.C.

[former9thward]

15. Biden has appointed the majority of the Board of Governors.

[Fla Dem]

16. Yes, but knowing Biden he probably has done little to try and influence those Board of Governors.

[whathehell]

25. Why do you say that?

[Fla Dem]

33. Because Democrats have been urging Pres Biden since 2021 to remove him and he hasn't.

FEDERAL TIMES
Can Biden fire US Postmaster General Louis DeJoy?
By Molly Weisner
Aug 24, 2022

Democrats and policy groups have called for the ouster of U.S. Postmaster General Louis DeJoy, the agency leader at the epicenter of controversies over postage rates, delivery times, mail-in ballots, electric fleet vehicles and alleged conflicts of interest. Can President Joe Biden remove him?

This month, more than 80 public interest groups led by The Save The Post Office Coalition sent a letter to Biden, calling on his administration to nominate Postal Board of Governors candidates who will hold DeJoy accountable for his “destructive leadership” and advocate for the expansion of USPS services.

“Despite the passage of the Postal Service Reform Act, DeJoy still plans to raise postage prices at ‘uncomfortable rates’ around the country,” the groups said in the letter. “Additionally, numerous post office locations are set to be shuttered under his 10-year restructuring plan, potentially impacting thousands of employees during a time of economic crisis.”

Rep. Brian Higgins, a Democrat from New York, has led calls in Congress to remove DeJoy.

More.....
https://www.federaltimes.com/federal-oversight/2022/08/24/can-biden-fire-us-postmaster-general-louis-dejoy/#:~:text=Who%20has%20authority%20over%20the,highest%20position%20in%20the%20organization.

I just think he feels he has bigger fish to fry and doesn't need attritional controversary.

[Silent Type]

36. Or, Biden knows the post office needs overhaul to continue its purpose.

[whathehell]

55. Thanks for that information..

I knew nothing about any of that.

It does rather piss me off that he's done nothing about it so far. That said, I can see how he might want to avoid controversy in an election year.
If he does nothing after his
(presumptive) win, that would be a problem, and a puzzling one at that.

[hadEnuf]

64. Biden is trying to be impartial, like a president should be.

But we are in a fight for our very democracy. He should have appointed governors that would get rid of DeJoy.

We cannot play nice with these fascists.

[Owens]

17. He needs to be arrested

This is deliberate treason

[A HERETIC I AM]

62. No it's not.

It's not treason, not by any definition of the term.

I'm sorry, but that's a ridiculous assertion.

[dalton99a]

18. Kick

[ashredux]

21. He does not want to improve the Postal Service, he wants to break it. The GOP wants to privatize it.

The US Postal Service was never designed to be a profit center. It’s a service that as essential to our economy, and in private hands it will be a disaster. He needs to be removed quickly

[dchill]

24. We knew that 4 years ago.

Still he wrecks and ruins.

[calimary]

26. Sigh... They really think the "we call on you to immediately return..." is gonna move ANYBODY?

Especially anybody like that sneaky bastard DeJoy! WHY hasn't he been ousted yet? How soon can our Dems take care of THAT job?

Seems to me his behavior strongly indicates he's trying to cripple the Postal Service as we now know it. What, if anything, he thinks we should replace it with - is beyond me!

[calimary]

27. Sigh... They really think the "we call on you to immediately return..." is gonna move ANYBODY?

Especially anybody like that sneaky bastard DeJoy! WHY hasn't he been ousted yet? How soon can our Dems take care of THAT job?

Seems to me his behavior strongly indicates he's trying to cripple the Postal Service as we now know it. What, if anything, he thinks we should replace it with - is beyond me!

[bif]

28. Why is he not in jail?

[Ponietz]

30. Make a better case against DeJoy

Who sends letters anymore?

[ret5hd]

31. well, my last ballot was mailed?

does that count?

[Ponietz]

32. Marginally

I don’t trust DeJoy but a better case is needed, i.e., systems engineering and analysis. Utility bills and parcel delivery comprise most of USPS operations now.

[underpants]

43. I'm running into this at work.

I pay the utility bills. We are getting bills with maybe 2 weeks left to pay. We set payments at 5 business days prior to the due date.
The delays around here are so bad that it’s kind of tight getting things paid on time.

[former9thward]

48. What utility service doesn't have an online bill payment?

[brooklynite]

35. Your ballot was delivered.

Does that count?

[ret5hd]

39. seeing as i (at the time)...

1) lived in ruby red texas
2) lived in a ruby red district
3) lived in a ruby red zip code
4) mailed it over three weeks in advance

yes, the answer to your question is yes. And your point?

[TNNurse]

37. I called my medical insurance company today.

The nice woman explained she was required to tell me about mail order prescriptions. I thanked her, told her NO and said I do not trust the US Mail.

[isitreal]

40. senate hearing repost link

here is a senate hearing of the post master that took place a couple weeks ago. Watch the tap dancing of Dejoy and the lack of comunication frustration.

[GiqueCee]

45. I can smell...

... the rank odor of his arrogance from here. What an asshole.

[ancianita]

42. Before Nov 2020 DeJoy had 19 of those machines removed in Florida.

[GiqueCee]

44. I think it's time to give Joe a little nudge...

... he can't fire DeJoy directly, for God only knows what reason, but he can sure lean on the governors he appointed. DeJoy is a snake, and he's actually putting the lives of Americans at risk. He just doesn't care. He's a fucking Republican, so Der Party comes before country every time.
It's long past time to kick some serious ass, Joe. Git 'er done.
Bipartisanship only works when BOTH sides honor it. These lowlifes do not, and never will, so taking the "high road" is a dead end that leads nowhere.
There have been a few decisions of late that have seriously angered certain demographics, justifiably or not, but let there be no doubt that you need them on your side. Don't lose them over this; get rid of that sonofabitch.

[Blue Owl]

51. Nothing anyone can do but wring their hands

And marvel at how fucking stupid the system we created is…..

[jimfields33]

52. They have 8500 mail sorters

https://facts.usps.com/systems-at-work/#:~:text=The%20Postal%20Service%20operates%20more,nearly%20half%20the%20world's%20mail.&text=The%20Flex%20Rover%20Sorter%20(FRS,35%20sites%20across%20the%20country.

[SupportSanity]

56. Soon, maybe within months, no more DeJoy.

I feel better already.

[Traurigkeit]

58. Maybe an 18 wheeler backs up on him by accident (all 18 wheels)

[Igel]

59. My high school lost 20% of its teachers last year.

But, you know, it has more teachers this year than last.

711 machines were removed. How many were installed. And be sure to weight them by "productivity". We also lost a half-dozen photocopiers. But each new photocopier produces more than each old photocopier, so capacity's actually increased. The opposite occur--I bring home more dollars this year than 3 years ago, but I've taken a pay cut.

Now, this photocopier roll-out was not done smoothly. Our copy room was DOA because nobody realized that the data lines were not installed. Oops. Local IT people didn't fully read the specs. Then a lot of us couldn't print because an obscure email sent that said, basically, "Set up your account for MysteryService3913" was ignored. And then the follow-up email that was from the principal but forwarded from his assistant that was forwarded from somebody in IT that was forwarded from some central office 'governing' official that was forwarded from some central-office IT secretary that was forwarded by some central-office IT official wasn't read. You'd scroll down many screens to get to what mattered. "You didn't set up your account. Your username is 93r48kdf and your password is 394782klkkdehjr2." But it didn't say for what--you had to connect the original sender of the mail about "MysteryService3913" to that mystery-message #39482. Like I said, not a smooth roll-out. More like a rough f**k-up at knife point

Similarly, I watched some tracked USPS mail go from the mid-West to Dallas (I live near Houston), to near-Houston, to another sorting center near Houston, back to Dallas, sit for a few days, head back to the second sorting center near Houston, back to the first sorting center, then to my local PO and my mailbox. It got 1100 miles to within 30 miles of me in 4 days, and took the next 3 weeks to get back to 30 miles from me. Local folk didn't fully read the specs. The new machines had a bigger footprint than the old machines, and mail outside the on-going mail-flow were fed in as volume permitted.

[SarahD]

60. In competent states, it won't matter.

Washington and Oregon have been mailing ballots for years. They pre-sort everything and it's all arranged according to the way the mail carrier walks or drives the route. The carriers show up in the morning and load the pre-sorted trays directly into their vehicles. The ballots don't go through a sorting machine. The ballots being sent back are another story. Fortunately, they don't all come back at once, and the envelopes are distinctive so they don't get mixed up with other mail. That said, I would worry about states that have little experience with voting by mail. They are, in some cases, trying to run two elections at once, so there are many opportunities for error.

[Rebl2]

61. This is happening

all over the country. Our service has been much worse since December (I am in the Midwest) and my sister who lives in CA says her mail service is bad as well. Didn’t dejoy also remove machines before the last election? My husband retired from the PO in 2017. Once in a while they would add new machines and take out old ones, but not often. He was an electronic technician and it was a lot of hard work and trouble.

[elocs]

65. My mail carrier, whose last day on my route is tomorrow after over 6 years when he moves to another route

and retires in another year after 30 years with the USPS does not think much of DeJoy and believes he is out to hurt the Post Office, doing what he can to put it out of business.
Mike is a Democrat and he spends maybe 15 minutes each day he works at the mailboxes in front of my house, taking his afternoon breaks there, and a lot of what we talk about is politics since we are so much in agreement about it.
I must admit that I've looked forward to visiting with Mike these past 6 years and even though I've never seen him anywhere else we have become friends and I will miss him. It may seem silly, but it will be a hard goodbye (although he did take me email address from me today and put it in his wallet).

[A HERETIC I AM]

67. Invite him and his family over for dinner

Even if he declines, he will really appreciate the gesture, I promise you.

[Takket]

66. you all know this article is from 2020, right?

even if you didn't click the link it should be pretty obvious since it says the number of machines removed is the highest of the TRUMP PRESIDENCY.

[orleans]

68. underpants--why are you putting up this article from sept. 2020???

as if we don't have enuf problems with various trump/republican shit going on...

[underpants]

70. I didn't even look at the date. My bad.

It popped up on Twitter so I guess I assume it was recent.

[Blue_Adept]

69. What a bunch of FUD this post is

Posting a four-year-old article in order to get people's anger up?

Come on. Really? And the majority of the replies prove nobody actually reads anything that's posted beyond what's pasted into the article.

This is the kind of bullshit post that I'm used to seeing from Republicans.

do fucking better.