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H2O Man

(78,943 posts)
Thu May 2, 2024, 12:05 PM May 2024

Life

Q: Do you have any closing message for out readers?

Chief Paul Waterman: Live. Don't be afraid to live. We can live through this time.

I did reburials at the Penn Site. Germ warfare killed them. At the Bloody Hill Site, it was small pox. Some of the burials were of parents and their children. They were holding hands. This seems to happen when germ warfare kills families.

But we are here today. It's our turn to live now. And if you are reading this, it's your turn as well. Make the most of it. Enjoy your family.




Quite a few people find life in 2024 stressful. It could be from factors in their daily life, to the state of our society. I thought I'd attempt to start a discussion on this, starting with a story about a "potentially" stressful situation tat Chief Waterman and another member of the Council of Chiefs found themselves in years ago. The other Chief shared this story with me.

A group of Iroquois men who self-identified as the Warrior Society were holding Paul and Oren hostage in the Oneida bingo hall. The NYS Police and Sheriff's Departmet had surrounded the place. Oren said that being held at the wrong end of shotguns was stressful. But Paul was relaxed, and telling the younger men about temselves. The fellow holding the gun on Paul wanted to shut him up by placing the barrel in Paul's mouth. He told Paul to open his mouth, or he'd blow Paul's head off.

"Fuck you," Paul replied, laughing. "The first sound of a gun shot, and the police will kill every Indian in here." In a relatively short time, the stand-off ended. Oren told me that he had never witnessed anyone as calm and brave as Paul that day. (If you are thinking, "No big deal," you can stop reading now.)

Now, when do you do your best thinking? When you are well rested and relaxed? Or when you haven't gotten proper rest, and have had existential stress since, say, the defendant became president? Most people function better mentally when well rested and relaxed.

Jon Steward recently reported on how often the media reports on the defendant, including on unimportant issues such as his ride to court. I will speculate that someone somewhere was talking about the defendant on television or the internet every hour of every day since he announced he was running for president back in 2015. Stop and think of the sum total of hours that you have been exposed to either the defendant or someone talking about him.

Watching the defendant increases the levels of the hormone cortisol in your blood, and that blood goes throughout your body, including your brain. Those high levels take a toll on you. Thus, high levels are "the tip of the iceberg" of problems people experience, according to Bruce McEwen, a neuroscientist and cortisol expert at The Rockefeller University.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ldquo-stress-hormone-rdquo-cortisol-linked-to-early-toll-on-thinking-ability/

Among things effected are memory, organization, visual perception, and attention. It also can reduce adequate sleep. It can cause changes in your brain that show up on brain scans. Thus, it seems evident that frequent and prolonged exposure to the defendant isn't healthy. I think it is worse than if one was exposed to the individual I think shared the most personality traits with the defendant, Charles Manson. Might we agree that if one was exposed to Charlie's madness for the same amount of hours you have been exposed to the defendant, it would not improve the quality of your life?

It is no coincidence that the prophet Bob Marley sang, "Live if you want to live." This is the opening line of his powerful song "Positive Vibration." Other lyrics include, "If you get down and you quarrel everyday you're saying prayers to the devils, I say" and "Say you just can't live that negative way, if you know what I mean. Make way for the positive day."

The amount of acrimony on this forum, along with some of the thinking expressed, indicates that we can all benefit from turning off the defendant, relax, and listen to Bob Marley. It's a little bit easier.

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Life (Original Post) H2O Man May 2024 OP
I hit up actual news that matters and ignore the rest. blm May 2024 #1
Right. H2O Man May 2024 #2
I have been spending more time away from the... 2naSalit May 2024 #3
Yes. H2O Man May 2024 #8
That's where I am eternally grateful... 2naSalit May 2024 #9
Wise words Saoirse9 May 2024 #4
Thank you! H2O Man May 2024 #11
my experience: ret5hd May 2024 #5
Yes to all, especially that last paragraph! Easterncedar May 2024 #6
I agree! H2O Man May 2024 #14
Thank you very much! H2O Man May 2024 #12
my favorite walks/hikes are alongside creeks, streams... ret5hd May 2024 #23
Thank you, H2O Man Easterncedar May 2024 #7
Thanks! H2O Man May 2024 #15
I don't watch any television news or opinion. Trump is on my trash by keyword list here on DU. hunter May 2024 #10
Very good! H2O Man May 2024 #16
This is profound. If no one else, I should read it every day, because I am close to burnout. Hekate May 2024 #13
Take time off. H2O Man May 2024 #17
Great advice, H20 Man Cyrano May 2024 #18
Thank you! H2O Man May 2024 #20
Gotta hear it now! world wide wally May 2024 #19
Great song! H2O Man May 2024 #21
Thank you, Water Man world wide wally May 2024 #22

blm

(114,572 posts)
1. I hit up actual news that matters and ignore the rest.
Thu May 2, 2024, 12:13 PM
May 2024

At my age I fully appreciate the ability to sleep through the night. 🤓😴

2naSalit

(102,118 posts)
3. I have been spending more time away from the...
Thu May 2, 2024, 12:39 PM
May 2024

Constant barrage of defendant info and endless speculation. I don't watch much of what I used to watch or read lately and I am feeling better for it. I took a week long vacation early last month and it helped me quickly wean myself off of the addiction to "news".

Life's too short for tons of bullshit everyday. But that is part of the plan of attack, overwhelm everybody with insanity all day every day and they won't be able to notice everything else that is going on to harm them. The original shock doctrine.

H2O Man

(78,943 posts)
8. Yes.
Thu May 2, 2024, 01:58 PM
May 2024

I think that the fact the defendant has skated on so many crimes causes frustration for many of our friends here. An example being the Mueller investigation & report. If there was a serious Congress, the House would have impeached him and the Senate found him guilty. And the current legal cases seem to be moving at a slow pace. Yet that is where we are today. The current criminal trial is a good thing, and I like to watch some reporting on it late at night.

2naSalit

(102,118 posts)
9. That's where I am eternally grateful...
Thu May 2, 2024, 02:03 PM
May 2024

For DU where I can catch the important parts, including videos of news shows, and all the news I care to see at my choosing. Beats waiting on teevee schedules and all.

Saoirse9

(3,946 posts)
4. Wise words
Thu May 2, 2024, 12:44 PM
May 2024

And a good reminder to high stress people like me to take it easier. To live in gratitude and tune out the noise. Might fall on deaf ears for some here on DU but for me a very apt cue to live and love and stop paying attention to the garbage coming out of the defendant's mouth and the news machine.

In gratitude.



H2O Man

(78,943 posts)
11. Thank you!
Thu May 2, 2024, 02:10 PM
May 2024

I always appreciate you very much!

My younger son does not like to find me watching the news when he stops by. For the past three days, he & my grandson pick me up, and we go out artifact hunting. I expect they will be here soon!

In my humble opinion, one should always invest more time per day listening to music than watching the news.

ret5hd

(22,450 posts)
5. my experience:
Thu May 2, 2024, 01:19 PM
May 2024

no over-the-air defendant…if something is important i will read it.

no over-the-air advertisements…my “needs” (really just wants) decreased immensely.

delete NextDoor, Facebook, Zitter (never had that one) etc…my general aggravation with family/neighbors dropped precipitously.

drive without radio (for the most part)…paying complete attention to others driving actually makes their actions less stressful. You can generally anticipate their actions.

what else what else…mostly quit watching/listening to crap and go outside. If something is really important i can generally find links to it right here on DU…the exception to that is the “Trump Demolished!!!” type youtube videos here that NEVER live up to their hype. Love the music appreciation videos though.

You, Mr. H2O Man, are one of the posters here that i NEVER pass over. I have a deep respect for your posts/opinions and when i see a post of yours i immediately read it. Thank you for the time you put in here.

H2O Man

(78,943 posts)
12. Thank you very much!
Thu May 2, 2024, 02:17 PM
May 2024

I remember sitting next to creeks with Chief Waterman for hours, without a word being spoken. I love the sound of running water.

Earlier today, I had to pick up a couple things at the grocery store. The weather is beautiful. Every day, we should appreciate the miracle of life on this living planet in the eternal Now.

ret5hd

(22,450 posts)
23. my favorite walks/hikes are alongside creeks, streams...
Thu May 2, 2024, 06:42 PM
May 2024

rivers. I don’t like man-made lakes…it is almost like we gave the river/creek an aneurysm or choked it to death.

natural lakes are good though.

Easterncedar

(6,099 posts)
7. Thank you, H2O Man
Thu May 2, 2024, 01:28 PM
May 2024

I am saving this post. I just felt better after reading it. I have so much to be grateful for, and am trying to live in mindful gratitude.

I am grateful for you

H2O Man

(78,943 posts)
15. Thanks!
Thu May 2, 2024, 02:36 PM
May 2024

It's clear that the defendant wants everyone in this country to thinkm about him every day. I refuse to do that.

hunter

(40,630 posts)
10. I don't watch any television news or opinion. Trump is on my trash by keyword list here on DU.
Thu May 2, 2024, 02:08 PM
May 2024

I don't want that freak living in my head and I'll know soon enough when he's jailed or dead.

H2O Man

(78,943 posts)
16. Very good!
Thu May 2, 2024, 02:48 PM
May 2024

Many years ago, while spending a night at my (then) in-laws' old farm, I read some diaries from their family members from the 1800s. I remember one entry about getting news that President Lincoln having been killed the week before. Another entry noted she got an orange for Christmas ...... leaving me to wonder how an orange made its way to an isolated farm in upstate NY in the winter. I prefer to think about that, than about the defendant.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
13. This is profound. If no one else, I should read it every day, because I am close to burnout.
Thu May 2, 2024, 02:33 PM
May 2024

🪷🪷🪷🪷🪷🪷🪷🪷🪷🪷

H2O Man

(78,943 posts)
17. Take time off.
Thu May 2, 2024, 02:50 PM
May 2024

A few people -- including myself -- have noted that there is more hostility even on DU these days. It is a tense and stressful time, and the negative emotions being posted here can add to one's being tired and needing a break. Not taking a break when needed leads to the crap we read here.

Cyrano

(15,388 posts)
18. Great advice, H20 Man
Thu May 2, 2024, 03:14 PM
May 2024

The horrors of our planet are in our faces every hour of every day. But, for our own health and sanity, we must take regular breaks, ignore it all, take a walk, cleanse our minds, and dream of a better world. Unlike our opponents, "me time" must be an important and necessary part of our lives.

H2O Man

(78,943 posts)
20. Thank you!
Thu May 2, 2024, 06:08 PM
May 2024

My son took me out for a walk today, along with my 18-month old grandson. I found two artifacts, one a Madison arrowhead, the other a Susquehanna bifurcate projectile point. The Madison is from pre-contact Iroquois, the bifurcate dates from 7 to 4500 bc. It is a great reminder that we are here for but a brief time, and that life should be enjoyed.

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