Bernie Sanders: 'This may be Biden's Vietnam'

[Mr. Sparkle]

Sen. Bernie Sanders (D-VT) says student protesters are right to question US military aid to an Israeli government “in a destructive war against the Palestinian people.”

[IronLionZion]

1. If Trump is this generation's Nixon

then it's Deja Vu all over again.

[Turbineguy]

4. Nixon was a choirboy compared to trump.

trump has rehabbed every bad president, world wide.

[PufPuf23]

100. Trump is worse than Nixon in Nixon's most fevered dreams.

[Mad_Machine76]

2. Why did I have the feeling

that somebody was going to go there? Except this time, this isn't an American-led war. So, what does he even do????

[IronLionZion]

8. I hope our 2024 convention doesn't turn out like 1968

[Mad_Machine76]

16. Me too

I have a feeling though that there are some ill-intentioned people that will want it to.

[paleotn]

88. If people would actually use their fucking heads, it won't.

And we thought "the stupid" only infected the Republican Party.

[David__77]

35. It is stamped with US approval and authorship in the forms of money, weapons and diplomatic support.

[Mad_Machine76]

36. Still not comparable to Vietnam JMHO

[hueymahl]

65. Difficult truth right here

[emulatorloo]

86. Yeah, Blinken is just like Kissinger /s. I admire you tenacity though.

[FakeNoose]

45. He can start by telling Sanders to STFU

Bernie Sanders isn't helping anyone with these comments. There's no comparison of Gaza with the Vietnam War and there's no correlation to our involvement in Southeast Asia. So why is Bernie even opening his mouth? He sounds like a fool.

[TomSlick]

71. Sanders is over-the-top but there is some truth here.

For Bibi, slaughter of Palestinian civilians is the goal - not collateral damage. Bibi also desperately wants Trump to win the election.

President Biden is in a bind. Most Americans support Israel in its existential struggle against Hamas. A much smaller number is concerned about the killing of Palestinians. The problem is those few people hold Biden responsible for Bibi's use of US weapons to kill Palestinians AND Biden needs those same few people in the election.

Bibi needs the war in order to stay in office and out of prison. Hamas also has no incentive for peace. It is unconcerned about civilian deaths, whether Israeli or Palestinians - it's only objective is war.

I don't see the answer but President Biden and his advisors are smarter than I. An answer must be found quickly.

[Skittles]

79. thank you

I think he is also a big factor in how we ended up with Donald Fucking Trump.

[agingdem]

89. Bernie.. you're full of shit..

Gaza is not Vietnam...the United States is not in this war...our kids are not fighting and dying in a faraway country...

[shrike3]

3. I personally think only a very small slice of the American public find the Israel-Hamas war a dealbreaker

Abortion rights and the economy are more important. What directly affects the American public is what's important. The war, tragic as it is, does not.

[Happy Hoosier]

9. It doesn;t have to be a big slice to make a difference.

Honestly, I can't understand how anybody would think enabling a Trump victory helps this matter.

Trump would set Nutandyahoo free to do as he will.

[womanofthehills]

50. I continually hear all our tax money is going for wars

People are upset about the price of groceries and the cost of rent and that young people will never be able to buy a house. Car insurance is up, house insurance it up and many ask why aren’t we given another thousand dollars - why are other countries getting it. One thing that upsets me is we give so much to Israel and they have universal healthcare and American’s don’t.

The young get their news from social media so they see the dead & dying Gaza babies everyday - older folks get their news from cable TV so they don’t see the images. I m sure many of the kids protesting are out there for multiple reasons -

[paleotn]

90. Good way to meet girls. How's that for a reason?

[shrike3]

94. "I'm sure many of the kids protesting are out there for multiple reasons."

I'd say that's a bit of a stretch. Given the signs, headgear, chants, clothing, speeches, they're protesting the Israel-Hamas war.

[JonAndKatePlusABird]

133. All is lost because the Youth are obsessed with TicToc

1) as a 36 year old, just about everyone in my age cohort is fine with the tiktok ban
2) why do you consistently spell it as tictoc when it’s TikTok?

[Hope22]

73. Well it is certainly the perfect storm.

I feel like TSF cooked this up and paid for it with stolen intelligence! But god knows how long it will be for any of that debacle to rise to the top of the cesspool! 50 years these folks have been at each other. For some reason it was the perfect time for an unprovoked attack! And this is Biden’s fault. Makes sense!

[betsuni]

131. He says Biden has alienated "a lot of the Democratic base" -- with U.S. foreign policy? No evidence of that.

[lapucelle]

144. People are frequently confused as to who the base of the Party actually is.

It certainly isn't folks who threaten not to vote or go third party, every four years like clockwork.

[betsuni]

148. Yes, yet they're exactly the ones some people think are the base, who think Democrats must be

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constantly scolded about being disappointing and inept and breaking promises and the whole slander thing about being corrupt immoral elites ignoring the working/middle class and on and on. Sigh.

No matter what they imagine, the Democratic base are not secret socialists mad at Democrats for not being "progressive" enough.

[pstokely]

160. Are these college protestors part of the democratic base?

people under 30 may lean left, but they don't really have any attachment to the Dems or GQP unless they came from strong Demo or Puke families

[Danmel]

5. Are US troops on the ground in Israel?

Does Israel have the right to defend her land and her people from being raped and dismembered?
Does righteous resistance include playing catch with lopped off breasts?
Bernie, stfu already.
Are you trying to re-elect Trump??

[uponit7771]

6. Bibi is using US Weapons are and that's bad enough

[Mad_Machine76]

18. According to some people

But supporting Israel and sending them weapons is nothing new. And it's not like we can just afford to cut them off.

[BannonsLiver]

27. They would be able to prosecute this war in the same way

People think taking away roughly 13 percent of their weapons will stop the war. It won’t.

[Mad_Machine76]

30. I get that

I just don't get why some other people don't.

[BannonsLiver]

31. I think probably because for them the entire thing is based entirely on emotion.

[iemanja]

49. Why not?

It costs us to give weapons to Israel. What do you mean we can't afford to cut them off?

[Mad_Machine76]

53. I'm meaning more in a political/diplomatic/security way

not financial

[womanofthehills]

54. When we are sending them bunker busters that we know can take out a whole block

Of houses with children - we are also responsible for all those deaths.

[BannonsLiver]

25. And we could take them all away tomorrow and Israel would retain roughly 90 percent of its capability to fight this war.

Taking the weapons away won’t keep them from doing what they’re doing. It’s naive to think otherwise.

[womanofthehills]

56. Then we should stop sending weapons

Release the hostages or not, Bibi plans to flatten Rafah with our bombs. Sounds like he wants to kill the men and teen boys as he will have checkpoints where they won’t be allowed to leave with their families. Hard to think America is not going to pay for this new slander.

[Hope22]

76. IMO this is a damned if you do

Damned if you don’t!

[BannonsLiver]

136. Lol good luck!

[uponit7771]

57. Taking away resources will make some difference at some time and that's good enough

[ColinC]

11. My guess is if there are parallels to the 60s we could be more in a "sending advisors to Vietnam" stage

[sarisataka]

12. In order:

No
That's complicated
Yes
No comment

[former9thward]

34. There is an U.S. base in Israel.

In first, US establishes permanent military base in Israel

For the first time in history, the United States on Monday established an official, permanent military base in Israel: an air defense base in the heart of the Negev desert.

Dozens of US Air Force soldiers will call home the new base, located inside the Israeli Air Force’s Mashabim Air Base, west of the towns of Dimona and Yerucham.

Brig. Gen. Tzvika Haimovitch, head of the IAF’s Aerial Defense Command, announced the establishment of the installation on Monday evening.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-first-us-establishes-permanent-military-base-in-israel/

How many troops are there is unknown.

[walkingman]

55. Just realized this was done during the Trump administration

[DJ Synikus Makisimus]

46. That doesn't matter.

Neither, really, does Israel. What matters is that the GOP unites while the Democrats disintegrate, just like during the Vietnam War. Israel is just the button being pushed by a party that coddles Nazis and legislates in favor of oligarchs, and the USA will probably fall for it. It's about power and the exercise thereof. I'm not even really sure that AIPAC care about Israel, what they care about is increasing the power and privilege of the oligarchy - which in the USA is called "conservatism".

[The Magistrate]

7. The Man Just Can't Help Himself

Like an old cavalry charger hears a trumpet call, starts kicking at the traces of the milk-cart he's harnessed to pull....

[NanaCat]

14. I can't even say what I really think of this remark

Because his fan cub is so trigger happy with the alert button, and the DU moderators seem to be fine with silencing criticism of him.

[Cha]

114. Thinking the same thing.

[SoFlaBro]

116. Me too. I can't wither the fucking shit storm if I say the wrong goddamn thing.

[Cha]

118. I love reading the posts..

that aren't holding back though.

[SoFlaBro]

120. I must remember to fucking tread lightly as shit.

[Cha]

121. Yes Very Important!

I'm so much better at it now.:

[betsuni]

124. Me too! And I'm really jealous because I can't. Dammit.

[Cha]

125. LOL.. I had

my time in the ring.

Now I just work around it.. think I get my point across though.

[betsuni]

134. I find this thread thrilling!

A lot of things are clearer to people now.

[Cha]

135. Yeah it didn't

go over so well.

President Biden

[sheshe2]

126. I will say this much...

%&^*! &^% *! #%)& *%^@% 1!!!!!!

[betsuni]

128. You can say that again!

[sheshe2]

129. I will...often and will feeling.

[Cha]

132. lol.. that says it All!

[AnrothElf]

139. YyyyyyyyyyyyyyuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuP! Mi tambien.

One is trying a little harder by not using personal first or second person pronouns when speaking of oneself or one's interlocutors.

So far so good!

[betsuni]

150. One must ever ever ever say "you," or a person will likely have an unfortunate experience.

[betsuni]

115. +1

[yowzayowzayowza]

38. Concur. n/t

[ColinC]

10. Unlike Johnson, Biden is seeing it through for better or worse

I think that will bode well politically for our side.

[LiberalFighter]

13. There are reasons I didn't support or vote for him in the primary.

His actions and words of the past didn't match.

[AnrothElf]

140. He never stood a chance in my book.

As soon as Biden entered the race, he had my full support.

Coincidentally, Kamala Harris was my 2nd choice.

SCORE!!

[Cha]

146. No kidding

[mcar]

15. Oh good lord

[NickB79]

17. This has got to be the dumbest thing Bernie Sanders has ever said

[LisaM]

21. Oh.....

Calling Planned Parenthood the "establishment" was pretty bad and look how that turned out.

[brush]

37. So true. Give us a break, Bernie. No divisiveness pls. You've been on pretty good behavior...

and been a team player with the Biden Admin, as opposed to how you fought against Hillary tooth and nail.

There's no chance, so don't even think about primarying Joe. You time has long since passed. It's time to gather forces and back Joe against the fascist, wannabee dictator trump.

[SoFlaBro]

117. I got a fucking load of his old campaign manager's goddamn tweets and *yeesh* what a shitshow!

[BlueTsunami2018]

19. Vietnam was a war WE were actually in.

This is not and I’m sick of people acting like it is. This is the United States. We aren’t Israel, we aren’t Gaza. It annoys me that people care about this more than peripherally like we do with every other foreign war.

Yeah, it’s terrrible, all war is but it’s not our fault and not our problem.

We’re a hairsbreadth from losing our republic and this is the thing that’s so important?

Get some fucking priorities.

[betsuni]

122. If Trump wins, it disappears immediately. Just as the outrage about Obama and drones disappeared never to

be spoken of again even though Trump greatly expanded drone warfare. Just as emails disappeared the day after the 2016 election.

This is the same thing, manufactured for one purpose -- defeat Democrats.

[JI7]

20. Sanders is obsessed with the past

and wanting to see everything based on that.

When things happening today are not the same. They have their own history and facts that deserve understanding .

Israel was attacked. Vietnam did not attack us. Biden isn't the leader of Israel.

[BannonsLiver]

28. He's not the only one obsessed with his past

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There are some folks who need to close the yearbook and get out of the 60s.

[AnrothElf]

141. Fuck yes... THIS!

My dad's gone down the nostalgia rabbit-hole with the student protests.

It's just that: nostalgia.

[Cha]

22. The Protesters are NOT right to Harass

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and Attack , at times Violently, Jewish Students, People, and Smear Jewish Businesses'

Get the whole Picture not just some of it.

Pres Biden is Going to win in spite of all these attempts to put this on Pres Biden.

Netanyahu wants Biden gone and the protesters screaming "genocide Joe" are fucking Assisting.

[Demsrule86]

39. Bernies comment are not helpful...easy to criticize.

[Cha]

103. Yes, Easy to

throw ".. .. could be PJB's Vietnam moment.." when it s NOT.

[LenaBaby61]

102. "Pres Biden is Going to win in spite of all these attempts to put this on Pres Biden."

[Cha]

104. Mahalo, LenaBaby!!

lol Nice Graphic!

[shrike3]

29. There are no dead Americans in Gaza.

There is no draft, there is no chance most of the protestors will ever go to Gaza in the way young Americans might have in Vietnam.

People who are not sure if they'll vote for Biden should keep in mind what kind of website they are on, and its terms of service.

[Cha]

61. There's at least one American hostage.

🕯️🕊️💙

[LauraInLA]

32. Here's my question:

Let’s say Biden cut off the @10% of weapons that we sent to Israel and stopped the funding, regardless of the blowback here, etc. Israel would still prosecute the war. But the U.S. would have no say, no ability to sway events at all. So I’d assume Netanyahu would cease using any restraint, and the carnage would be even worse.

Both Hamas and Netanyahu have parties with some influence on what they do — if the backers just stepped away, stopped providing aid, and washed their hands of the affair, there would be no brakes on Hamas or Israel’s actions. The backers and aid are all that is keeping Hamas and Netanyahu involved in any sort of negotiations — Hamas wants a regional war, and Netanyahu might actually want to destroy the Palestinians and definitely wants to destroy Iran , which would also mean a regional war.

I don’t want to imagine what would probably happen afterward throughout the Middle East, which would not stay contained there.

[Demsrule86]

33. No, Hell all the protests didn't work in the 60's and 70's...boomer biggest generation ever..

Nixon was elected and war went on...this is not our war. And the behavior of protestors is pretty terrible and does not make one sympathize. We have our own issues in this country. I don't like Hamas and I don't like Netanyahu. Biden can only do so much. if those protesting folks think Trump will help Palestinians...I have a bridge to sell.

[brush]

43. Come on, Bernie is not correct. This is not 1968, we are not sending draftees to fight in VM.

The convention in Chicago will not have Abbie Hoffman and the Yippies and a police riot.

No, Bernie, it's not time to dust off your running shoes. Stop itching to primary Joe Biden and get behind him to fight against the orange turd threat against our democracy.

[LisaM]

24. Vietnam dragged on for years and we were actively involved.

This is such a false comparison. What's happening is terrible. No one is denying that. But it's only been going on for about 7 months and Biden as far as I can tell wants to end it. Maybe he has a magic button we don't know about?

I honestly believe that the people who are pushing this as Biden's Vietnam WANT it to be Biden's Vietnam. Because the comparisons are ludicrous and, IMO, dangerous.

[onenote]

26. +1

[DFW]

44. You are not alone.

H is very addictive, whether it stands for Heroin or Headlines.

[uponit7771]

58. Cutting off resources is a way bigger message than words, says much more

[betsuni]

127. 7 months and organized protests were immediate, the Biden administration is clearly doing all it can to

help resolve the conflict. Vietnam Vietnam Vietnam started showing up everywhere. Repeating it makes it true.

Saw a young protester interviewed on the news who said she used to support Biden "until I realized who he really was."

War criminal. Complicit. Genocide Joe. Can stop wars in other countries by picking up the phone but won't, should've acted sooner. Satan-monster! News also started out with Biden "breaking his silence" about student protests. As if they've been going on for years.

It's transparent. And if Trump wins, it will disappear the day after the election just as Obama-drones and Hillary-emails did. Same thing.

[LexVegas]

40. Thank goodness he never got close to being President. nt

[OutNow]

41. Of course Bernie is Correct. Now what do we do about it?

I'm old enough to remember the 1868 election. HHH, unfortunately, continued to support LBJ's pro-war policies in Vietnam. Nixon claimed (a lie of course) that he had a "secret plan" to end the war.

We'll see that scenario repeat itself this year. Now what do we do about it? In particular, what should be do to ensure a Republican loss in November? Here is my plan. 1. Continue to support and vote for Joe Biden. Encourage others to vote and support Joe Biden. 2. Support the student protesters. Their aims are valid. Anti-Zionism is not antisemitism. Anyone who thinks it is doesn't understand history. There has always been a struggle within the Jewish diaspora to support or oppose Zionism. My family was involved many decades ago with ORT.

[sarisataka]

42. You must be the oldest person on DU

Did you vote for Grant or Seymour?

[Coventina]

48. LOL!!!

[JohnSJ]

81. and complete off track with the comparison in so many ways.

[brush]

47. Oh please. Bernie is not correct. It's not 1968...

and he's not up against Hillary again. He wants to feel relevant again, okay, but do it by getting behind Joe Biden to fight for our democracy against trump and his Plan 2025 that outlines his plans to demolish democracy and usher in fascism.

It's not time to dust off the running shoes, Bernie. You can't primary Joe Biden.

I repeat, it's not 1968 all over again.

[paleotn]

91. Horse shit!

[Cha]

113. No, Sanders is Wrong.. It's Not Pres Biden's "Vietnam Moment".. So Wrong.

I trust Pres Biden.. he's going to win!

[unblock]

51. bernie sander's may be this election's michael moore....

[Mike Nelson]

52. Huh?

... we were in Vietnam for years... lost many Americans. We're not in Gaza and Biden is pressuring Israel to cease fire and get out! I don't see much comparison.

[Uncle Joe]

59. That was a good in-depth interview which touched on many bases

Thanks for the thread Mr. Sparkle

[mahatmakanejeeves]

60. Not until the draft is reinstituted. NT

[Haggard Celine]

62. Is hoping to get some favor for Bobby Jr?

If they combine forces, they could draw away a lot of the youth vote. Bernie needs to shut the fuck up or we're going to see the end of our democracy.

[oldsoftie]

63. The border is a bigger problem than Gaza. Although Michigan IS in danger.

I guess people have never heard "dont cut off your nose to spite your face"

After the border, gas prices. Both are BIG problems whether we like it or not

[mvd]

64. Agreed about the right to protest

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Agreed we should be tougher on Israel. And Bernie is a favorite of mine. But this is not Vietnam as of now.

[Lovie777]

66. Ya know that's Democracy..........

freedom of speech, besides other things that does not inflict violence and spew unwarranted hate and prejudices towards others.

Differences yes, but a way to live together with respect.

So, if Sanders think this is protest is another Vietnam, never forget that some American's treated the American's soldiers like shit when they came home.

[Irish_Dem]

67. I love Bernie, but for God's sake.

SMH

No American boys are coming home in body bags.

[iemanja]

70. There are some potential similarities

There could be widespread protests at the convention, and it has the potential of costing Biden the convention because a sizable number of voters are angry over the war. In other words, it could be like 1968. I understand that's a pessimistic view, but it is possible.

I just want to be clear. While I oppose the war, I will absolutely vote for Biden without fail.

[JohnSJ]

85. Well it couldn't be worse than 2016, where Cornell West left the convention and endorsed Jill Stein, David Sirota,

Nina Turner and Brihana Joy Gray not only refused to vote for Hillary in the general election, but encouraged others to do likewise to “teach the establishment Democrats a lesson”. That worked out real well, and lost us the Supreme Court.

This time if they are foolish enough do that, we will lose our democracy if trump wins.

AOC when asked about Gaza and the presidential election responded that the most important issue is protecting our Democracy, and that means voting for Joe Biden.

If they want to be the fly in the ointment, and not vote for Biden, and it results in trump regaining the White House, they will face the consequences, and their generation will really be a lost generation, because they aren’t going to recover from this, and there won’t be any do overs.

[iemanja]

96. I agree. nt

[Hassler]

68. Not helpful from Bernie. Bibi is responsible

Not Biden.

[Cha]

69. Just NO Sanders. This is NOT

President Biden’s “Vietnam”!

[blue-wave]

74. Spot on Cha!!

[Cha]

78. Mahalo blue-wave!🕯️🕊️💙🌊🇺🇸

[blue-wave]

72. I call bullshit

The Kremlin and their allies have their fingerprints all over this conflict. It's been discussed many times here at DU. The enemies of our way of life are to blame for this whole mess. BTW, where is it that Bernie spent his honeymoon? Do your research.

[wryter2000]

82. Whoever's fault this is

It isn't Biden's. There is no reason this should be his Vietnam.

[ancianita]

77. Sorry, Bernie. The comparison isn't close. A shame you'd make a false equivalence statement.

[JohnSJ]

80. Go away Sanders. The comparisons is not valid, and your bullshit assessment doesn't make so. In fact it is offensive.

Hamas is responsible for breaking the ceasefire, killing, brutalizing women’s private areas, raping them, and killing them.

Netanyahu is responsible for reckless execution of the reprisal despite the warnings from the Biden administration, and the killing of civilians caught between.

Biden has been working behind the scenes for a ceasefire , release of hostages, and a two state solution behind the scenes, which many people may not be aware of.

[The Unmitigated Gall]

83. Not the time, Bernie. Not the time. Nt

[Ocelot II]

84. No, it isn't, for many reasons,

not the least of which is that the US is not a party to the current conflict. No US military personnel are involved, and most especially no Americans are being drafted and sent to fight in Gaza. Lest we forget, the draft was an essential motivator of the Vietnam protests - it wasn't just that the war was stupid and pointless, but that people were being drafted to fight in it. Also, in those days protesters didn't harass other American students on account of their ethnicity just because of the side of the war they supported or represented.

[paleotn]

87. Bernie......shut the fuck up.

[FakeNoose]

92. Yep ...

See my reply #45. Great minds think alike. And Bernie is full of shit.

[Freethinker65]

93. Did my son miss his draft notice?

[JohnSJ]

97. My number was 152

[enid602]

95. Israel

How many demonstrations in Tel Aviv regarding the conduct of the war or the siege/blockade of Gaza? This is not a Vietnam from Israel’s standpoint.

[AnrothElf]

143. Thousands marching against Netanyahoo every week in Israel. Massive marches bigger than these university occupations

In Gaza? Nothing. Crickets.

Maybe we go back in time a bit... surely Gazans have massively protested Hamas at some point in the last almost 20 years that Hamas has had absolute authoritarian control of Gaza?

Crickets. Not even during the Arab Spring did Gazans rise up against their terroristic overlords -- not even when they stole their food, their foreign aid, and spent it on missiles to lob at Israel in order to -- in their own words, as they like to brag repeatedly -- wipe Israel off the map.

Weird, right? It's almost like Gazans actually support the terrorists they voted into power in the only election they've held in the last two decades! After Israel unilaterally evacuated Gaza, even forcing Gazan Jews to leave, and digging up corpses from graveyards!

So weird!!! And Gazans being so open-minded and all that they allow a diverse population of -- what? Oh, what? Gazans don't allow Jews into Gaza, but millions of Arabs live in Israel as equal citizens?

What? There are more Arabs marching against Netanyahoo in Israel than have EVER marched against Hamas, anywhere on Earth, ever?

So weird!

[enid602]

154. Protests

If my army was committing these atrocities I would be protesting. Period. You can’t just wait until the carnage stops and blame it on Netanyahu. The Germans already proved that doesn’t work.

[AnrothElf]

155. That's what I just said. Thousands protesting Netanyahoo in Israel. More than the US.

Marching is a time-honored method of protest. Definitely more effective than cosplaying a terrorist.

[enid602]

156. Protesters

So protesters in all principal world cities (except for Tel Aviv and Jerusalem) are merely cosplaying terrorists. WOW. Bye.

[AnrothElf]

157. 1 Israeli protester protesting Netanyahoo in Israel is worth 10,000 self-entitled college kids.

The two are not comparable. One is a massive protest against Netanyahoo's right-wing government by the citizen's of that nation.

The other is an unhinged, incoherent attention-grabbing charade by cosplaying terrorists half-way around the world, and their impressionable "passionate" followers.

Shrieking "WE ARE HAMAS!" is a far cry from Selma.

This isn't civil disobedience, it's occupation tactics, and we're being conditioned to accept ever more civil unrest as "legitimate protest". Jan. 6th was one such exercise. This has been another.

Fuck that noise.

A sit-in is one thing. Occupying a building and expecting to retain moral superiority in one's vaunted cause is an entirely different thing. And that thing is a joke.

[myohmy2]

98. Bernie...

...is right...

...I just hope he's not too right about Joe...

...

[honest.abe]

99. Nope

Thanks Bernie for attempting to make it an issue.

[NoMoreRepugs]

101. Sorry Bernie, not within miles of being like Nam. Trust me.

[Patton French]

105. This is not the least bit helpful.

And a completely false comparison. What in the world is he hoping to accomplish?

[RandySF]

107. Bernie, if you have nothing helpful to say.......

just shut the fuck up.

[Nixie]

123. Seriously! There was another thread earlier today about

something he said about the Constitution. It wasn't helping, only inflaming. So I come back tonight and there are even more comments---none helping, only flaming.

You have it exactly right! If he has nothing helpful to say, then.........

[Blue Idaho]

108. Nope. Sorry.

And Bernie knows better.

[relayerbob]

109. Does he *ever* know when to just STFU?

[TexasDem69]

111. Hopefully Sanders gets voted right the fuck out of office

And replaced with a Democrat.

[OutNow]

137. Keep Hoping.

Ever been to Vermont? I suspect you have not. Some day Bernie will retire. Until then he will be a Senator from Vermont.

Use your time to elect from Democrats in Texas. That would be nice.

[MistakenLamb]

112. give me a fucking break

this is nothing like Vietnam. you dumbass

[DemocraticPatriot]

119. It isn't "Biden's Vietnam"...

It is ISRAEL's....

(although it seems they will not pay such a cost as the U.S. did in Vietnam,
for all their My Lai's...)


(I don't hate Jews, and I don't hate Israel---
but I HATE what the Israeli government and military are doing in Gaza
AND in the West Bank!)

Of course American Jews, and those anywhere else around the world,
should not be blamed or persecuted
for what the Israeli military is doing in the middle east
(and many of them are opposed to it!)

[betsuni]

130. "other people are making this reference" "[Biden's] alienated not only young people but a lot of the Democratic base

in terms of his views on Israel and this war."

Who in the actual Democratic base is Biden alienating with U.S. foreign policy?

[Cha]

138. Damn.. this so reminds me of

something that was said in 2012 about Pres Obama.

Didn't work then Thank Goodness!

[Tribetime]

142. I've changed my opinion over the last few days and I agree with bernie

Just listening and seeing the students and their passionate.Although it's not vietnam the result might be the same

[AnrothElf]

145. Quothe Yeats...

"The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity."

[betsuni]

152. I've been rereading Obama's "A Promised Land" and he quotes the poem:

"Public support for the Recovery Act had grown over the weeks it had taken to pass the bill. But soon enough, the noise would have an impact, reversing that trend. Meanwhile, a decent portion of my own Democratic base ... seemed less content with everything we'd managed to get into the Recovery Act than mad about the much smaller number of things we'd had to give up. Liberal commentators insisted that if I had shown more spine in resisting the Gand of Four's demands, the stimulus would have been bigger. (This despite the fact that it was twice as big as what many of those commentators had been calling for just a few weeks earlier.) Women's groups were unhappy about the contraception provisions that had been removed. Transportation groups complained that the increase in mass transit dollars wasn't all they had sought. Environmentalists seemed to be spending more time objecting to the small fraction of funding that went to clean coal projects than celebrating the Recovery Act's massive investment in renewable energy.

"Between Republican attacks and Democratic complaints, I was reminded of the Yeats poem: 'The Second Coming.' My supporters lacked all conviction, while my opponents were full of passionate intensity."

[betsuni]

147. "Radicals must be resilient and sensitive enough to the process of action and reaction to avoid being trapped

by their own tactics." Saul Alinsky, 1971

Emotion isn't a strategy, it can be a trap.

[Cha]

149. REC TY

Avoid Traps 🪤

[pwb]

151. Bullshit Bernie,

Our country has been giving Israel aid since the 1950s. How the fuck is it all of the sudden a single persons fault. We don't need you talking out of both sides of your mouth on Israel Bernie. You sound like Putin for fuck sakes.

[SunSeeker]

153. Ug. You're not helping, Bernie.

[LiberaBlueDem]

158. Thank God For Bernie!

We should all get with him.

[Vinca]

159. Except it's not. The American president could end the Vietnam war with the stroke of a pen.

Netanyahu will continue to wage his war even if every resource is cut off to him. The Israeli people need to oust him if they ever want anything close to peace again. I want to scream at the protesters that what they are doing amounts to nothing. If they want to help the people of Gaza, they should be volunteering with organizations trying to get help to them. It seems on one side you have someone making a difference like Chef Andres and his World Central Kitchen and on the other hand you have protest Woodstock where you can watch people laughing and smiling as they get arrested.