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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumsmisogyny vs misandry
in view of various posts here in du--I decided to check the dictionary definitions, and found this to be very interesting:
mi·sog·y·ny
[mi-soj-uh-nee, mahy-] Show IPA
noun
hatred, dislike, or mistrust of women.
mis·an·dry
[mis-an-dree] Show IPA
noun
hatred of males.
ismnotwasm
(41,976 posts)That is interesting.
Cerridwen
(13,257 posts)misogyny (n.)
1650s, from Mod.L. misogynia, from Gk. misogynia, from misogynes "woman-hater," from miso- (see miso-) + gyne "woman" (see queen).
misandry (n.)
1878, from miso- "hatred" + andros "of man, male human being" (see anthropo-). Related: Misandrist.
Lionessa
(3,894 posts)Still the idea gets across either way and the discussions worth having.
GoneOffShore
(17,339 posts)I mistrust everyone equally.
Response to GoneOffShore (Reply #4)
Luminous Animal This message was self-deleted by its author.
IDoMath
(404 posts)I can see the lack of symmetry in the definitions but the implications elude me. I'm kind of guessing that the definition for misogyny is more modern due to recent academic work on the concept which might account for the more refined definition. help?
Response to IDoMath (Reply #5)
Luminous Animal This message was self-deleted by its author.
Nobody wants to be a misogynist. The connotation is sharply negative.
But if you smear the definition, the connotation remains. You can get the same kind of visceral reaction by calling a mild mistrust misogyny as calling a serial axe-murderer a misogynist.
"More modern" and "refined" are pointless terms here. One is still true to its etymology and has a more restricted definition; the other has had its meaning extended.
We do the same things with words that have a sharply negative connotation to us. "Racist" and "sexist" come to mind. The "other side" plays the same linguistic game with words that they find negative--"socialist", for example. It's all a game to use connotations to drive logic. Sadly, it often works, esp. with those who "feel" things instead of understand them.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Most dictionaries are even-handed in their definition. I suggest you do your own research and check my posts and links.
Quite simply, you took the connotations of the OP (who laughably enough abandoned the thread) and "felt" something rather than logically explored the subject.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Misandry: the hatred of men (i.e. the male sex specifically).
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/misogyny?q=misogyny
Misogyny: the hatred of women
What was the point of your OP?
x2 vancouverite
(89 posts)is the more commonly used term for hatred of men, I believe.
tledford
(917 posts)is the hatred of *mankind* rather than men or an individual man.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)(see post #8) includes this in their definition of misandry: (i.e. the male sex specifically).
eppur_se_muova
(36,260 posts)English "man" does not allow the same distinction.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)(This is the same post as self-deleted #6 which I posted in the wrong place.
Misandry: : a hatred of men
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/misandry
Misogyny: a hatred of women
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/misogyny
So does the Free Online Dictionary
Misandry: : Hatred of men
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/misandry
Misogyny: Hatred of women
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/misogyny
Cerridwen
(13,257 posts)Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary - 1993
It's not even in the list of words showing the use of "mis-"
IDoMath
(404 posts)mis - a prefix denoting hatred, wrongness and/or disgust
gyn - a particle denoting female
anthrope - a particle denoting humankind
andro - a particle denoting male
You connect them together
Cerridwen
(13,257 posts)A recently resurrected word from the 19th century.
I like books. I keep old books including dictionaries. I like to see how things change and how many things are hidden, obscured, denied, evolve, change, grow.
The re-writing of history is fascinating, horrifying, enlightening to watch.
IDoMath
(404 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)It seems that it's use was heavily targeting suffragists and feminists. (Thus, it's current revival.)
I personally feel that the word had to be coined in order to separate it from misanthrope. For many millennia, only men were considered persons or humans so misanthrope worked just fine to describe a hero's or anti-hero's distaste for the company of men. With the rise of the suffragist & feminists movements in the 19th century, certainly a word needed to be coined in order for the status quo to try to make sense of their activism.
"Women want to vote, eh? What's their problem?
- "Well, you see, they hate men."
"Ah, got it."
GeorgeGist
(25,319 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)equally (see my previous posts).