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Frasier Balzov

(3,447 posts)
Fri May 3, 2024, 03:46 PM May 2024

Is "gal Friday" still a socially acceptable term for an assistant?

I never read Robinson Crusoe.

But isn't the character of Friday an indigenous person encountered by the castaway who becomes a devoted servant?

So in the context of a modern female assistant, the reference seems quite tainted with a white and male supremacist worldview.

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Is "gal Friday" still a socially acceptable term for an assistant? (Original Post) Frasier Balzov May 2024 OP
Never heard anyone use the term ok_cpu May 2024 #1
I am an ocotgenarian white man who's never used the term. Ping Tung May 2024 #2
Wouldn't expect you or anyone here to have ok_cpu May 2024 #6
"Personal Assistant" is now the common vernacular poli-junkie May 2024 #3
Not since Rosalind Russell did that movie leftieNanner May 2024 #4
no obamanut2012 May 2024 #5
The only acceptable term for an assistant is THE PERSON WHO RUNS THE PLACE Beaverhausen May 2024 #7
As a one time snowybirdie May 2024 #8
If I'd every used that term with my administrative assistant, rsdsharp May 2024 #9
I say he should say it . Then we can count how many times his head bounces. Srkdqltr May 2024 #10
...No? nt Tommy Carcetti May 2024 #11
My paper used to have ads. This was in the 70's when I was job hunting. LeftInTX May 2024 #12
It started as "my man Friday." Igel May 2024 #17
1940 - His Girl Friday - Cary Grant and Rosalind Russell. She's his crazy assistant. LeftInTX May 2024 #19
I've asked Admin Assistants, "How's your kid?" Kennah May 2024 #13
In the book, Robinson Crusoe rescued Friday from cannibals who were DemocraticPatriot May 2024 #14
I prefer "secret weapon". I use that term for my right-hand people, the ones I rely on to do things right. N/T Jedi Guy May 2024 #15
1950 called and wants its jargon back. Iggo May 2024 #16
AFAIK, they call them office managers now meow2u3 May 2024 #18
I don't think so. David__77 May 2024 #20

Ping Tung

(1,170 posts)
2. I am an ocotgenarian white man who's never used the term.
Fri May 3, 2024, 03:52 PM
May 2024

Even when it was commonly used and "acceptable" I thought it sounded degrading.

ok_cpu

(2,140 posts)
6. Wouldn't expect you or anyone here to have
Fri May 3, 2024, 04:00 PM
May 2024

It is degrading. Only times I've heard it used were by men who hang on to their other degrading terms that they should have evolved beyond. The men who also toss the notepad to the woman in the room and tell her to take notes.

rsdsharp

(10,010 posts)
9. If I'd every used that term with my administrative assistant,
Fri May 3, 2024, 04:37 PM
May 2024

after I stopped the bleeding, I’d never get any more administers assisted.

Srkdqltr

(7,472 posts)
10. I say he should say it . Then we can count how many times his head bounces.
Fri May 3, 2024, 04:40 PM
May 2024

And cheer for her, the woman who runs everything.

Yes I know, it's brutal.

LeftInTX

(29,629 posts)
12. My paper used to have ads. This was in the 70's when I was job hunting.
Fri May 3, 2024, 05:28 PM
May 2024

"What's a girl Friday?"

Answer: "Well, ummm..You can do better than that. You're going to college" I never got a clear answer. It sounded like fun to a teenager. But I think that's why they used the term...

Igel

(35,981 posts)
17. It started as "my man Friday."
Fri May 3, 2024, 06:36 PM
May 2024

"Gal Friday" cropped up later. It's the grandkid.

Some said it was sexist--"man" versus "gal." The daughter term (yeah, it's two-way gendered) was "girl Friday." That was deemed sexist and "gal Friday" was better. By then standards, but things have gotten worse so we expect more of people.

(BTW, "man Friday" goes back way before the 1950s.)

On edit: Because some want to be believed "on trust" while disbelieving "on principle"--life's asymmetric like that--here's a link.

LeftInTX

(29,629 posts)
19. 1940 - His Girl Friday - Cary Grant and Rosalind Russell. She's his crazy assistant.
Fri May 3, 2024, 10:12 PM
May 2024
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Great acting. Don't remember the plot, but it's funny and the acting is great.
 

DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
14. In the book, Robinson Crusoe rescued Friday from cannibals who were
Fri May 3, 2024, 05:57 PM
May 2024

having a 'feast' on the beach of the island, and were about to devour him. In his gratitude for being saved, and in the custom of his tribe, Friday dedicates his life to serving Crusoe.

Jedi Guy

(3,308 posts)
15. I prefer "secret weapon". I use that term for my right-hand people, the ones I rely on to do things right. N/T
Fri May 3, 2024, 05:59 PM
May 2024

Iggo

(48,193 posts)
16. 1950 called and wants its jargon back.
Fri May 3, 2024, 06:08 PM
May 2024

Seriously though, I’ve been working in office settings for a couple of decades, and I’ve observed modern men don’t usually complain about being called guys, but modern women don’t respond well to being called gals. Unless you’re the boss. And you’re a hundred. Like I said, 1950 called…

David__77

(23,863 posts)
20. I don't think so.
Fri May 3, 2024, 10:14 PM
May 2024

I have heard an older man say “girl Friday”, and it is quite generally cringe inducing in my opinion. Tied to gender based concepts of what type of labor should be done by whom.

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