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kpete

(72,229 posts)
Fri May 3, 2024, 06:16 PM May 3

Hicks... at that moment she started to cry. She just basically gave the prosecution what they needed.

Agnifilo: Hicks said after Trump was President, they had a conversation about the payment to Stormy Daniels and what he said was it’s a good thing the story didn’t come out before the election… at that moment she started to cry. She just basically gave the prosecution what they needed.


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Hicks... at that moment she started to cry. She just basically gave the prosecution what they needed. (Original Post) kpete May 3 OP
With that realization, at some point it sounds like Hicks had a crisis of conscience, Uncle Joe May 3 #1
Conscience?..no! agingdem May 3 #10
Yes I find it hard to believe she has a conscience. Irish_Dem May 3 #22
Crying because she misses her government paychecks. littlemissmartypants May 3 #37
Hick's is like Daddy's little girl Ivanka.. agingdem May 3 #42
The Reptilian Sewer Slut Wears Prada....opening today in theaters everywhere! littlemissmartypants May 4 #60
Attn L. M.S.P. Botany May 4 #71
She was crying orangecrush May 4 #75
The word "slut" EmmaLee E May 4 #70
Welcome to DU orangecrush May 4 #74
The instant tears once it's the prosecutors who start asking her questions? calimary May 4 #67
That's the realization that I'm speaking of. n/t Uncle Joe May 3 #48
Whatever the reason NJCher May 4 #51
Absolutely not - this isn't conscience notKeith May 4 #64
Yep, she finally realized she had taken part in and done nothing to stop the monster that is trump. brush May 4 #56
I don't think it was as much about "conscience" as it was about revealing the shame she now feels about it. Texin May 5 #83
is this a Perry Mason moment? nt msongs May 3 #2
This whole chapter of American history has been a Yosemite Sam cartoon from the top. Bucky May 3 #15
Heh, let's not insult Pepe. 58Sunliner May 3 #33
Why not? They both stink NanaCat May 3 #36
I won't argue about the actions or drives of a cartoon character who is an animal. 58Sunliner May 4 #50
Ahhh I like pepe Lifeafter70 May 4 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author bringthePaine May 3 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author bringthePaine May 3 #25
So why was she crying? Irish_Dem May 3 #3
That's a good question claudette May 3 #5
Right, she gives damaging testimony and turns on the waterworks. Irish_Dem May 3 #20
Not sure claudette May 3 #44
Yes very odd. Irish_Dem May 3 #46
Here you go - vice chair of Goldman-Sachs. 3catwoman3 May 4 #73
A sugar daddy then CanonRay May 4 #76
"Figures" 3catwoman3 May 4 #78
Decency...no! agingdem May 4 #80
Exactly. Irish_Dem May 4 #81
"Look at my remorse over whatever the hell you think I did" Warpy May 3 #8
Maybe so imagined the endless stream of MAGA hate mail she will receive.... 70sEraVet May 3 #12
Yes. Irish_Dem May 3 #24
I suspect that is exactly what is was. harumph May 3 #30
In context, it's not about remorse. TwilightZone May 3 #13
Exactement! Mme. Defarge May 3 #32
Could she have been worried about Tree Lady May 3 #47
You mean like Cassidy Hutchinson? *innocent look* ShazzieB May 3 #16
It's the motivation for that change of heart that's questionable to me. ❤️ littlemissmartypants May 3 #38
I think i get what you mean. ShazzieB May 3 #49
I agree. MorbidButterflyTat May 4 #66
That may be so, however NJCher May 4 #53
Pretty sure it was HH who was 'body double' when Melania was NOT going to travel with him Attilatheblond May 4 #68
Also, remember that Cassidy Hutchinson said, in an interview once, that Trump suggested SHE put some highlights Attilatheblond May 4 #69
Gave the prosecution what they needed Demobrat May 3 #4
👍 claudette May 3 #7
+1 Auggie May 3 #9
"Please explain that to your lawyer." -- Judge Merchan Mr.WeRP May 3 #41
Why care one way or the other about her at this point? NowsTheTime May 4 #57
This. She does care about TFG. localroger May 4 #63
He's toast. nt oasis May 3 #6
She's just now realizing that she'll never 'press his pants' again? SeattleVet May 3 #11
HA! Good one! skylucy May 3 #29
Funny, but an utterly revolting NJCher May 4 #54
IMHO she cried because yobrault1 May 3 #14
Ever pass a kidney stone? For Republicans, that's what the telling the truth is like. You'd cry too. Bucky May 3 #17
+1 Great description! LOL Emile May 4 #58
Please. Im not buying it. johnnyfins May 3 #18
👍 claudette May 3 #45
Hicks is still a deplorable nakocal May 3 #19
No, Hicks and many others Johonny May 3 #23
they had trouble finding work Skittles May 3 #26
INDEED. rzemanfl May 3 #31
Sorry but Johonny May 3 #35
Amen. Scrivener7 May 3 #40
I can't believe she told the truth, what is she MAGA lite? dem4decades May 3 #27
She take lessons from Kyle? 58Sunliner May 3 #28
Maybe someone switched on the fan in the back of the courtroom. usonian May 3 #34
She lied to him several times a day every day she worked for him. littlemissmartypants May 3 #39
Hacks like Hicks NJCher May 4 #55
How many more than several times a day do we think she lied? littlemissmartypants May 4 #59
do you recall NJCher May 5 #85
Do you remember... littlemissmartypants May 6 #86
Six years ago... littlemissmartypants May 6 #87
I'm hoping she also gave the trumper what she needed lindysalsagal May 3 #43
How long before Trump claims that he doesn't know Hope Hicks and had never seen her before the trial? Chainfire May 4 #61
That was the moment Hicks realized the jig was up. Hugin May 4 #62
That moment when... Pluvious May 4 #65
Katie Phang said it best: "Crocodile tears." Evolve Dammit May 4 #72
Yes, she and Lawrence have senseandsensibility May 4 #77
amazing what tears can do. Evolve Dammit May 4 #82
NOT TRUE DontBelieveEastisEas May 4 #79
Saying things out loud to other people can gin up powerful emotions ecstatic May 5 #84

Uncle Joe

(59,136 posts)
1. With that realization, at some point it sounds like Hicks had a crisis of conscience,
Fri May 3, 2024, 06:21 PM
May 3

and I believe that would be extremely persuasive to a jury.

Thanks for the thread kpete.

agingdem

(8,083 posts)
10. Conscience?..no!
Fri May 3, 2024, 07:04 PM
May 3

Hicks has been deep in Trump's cesspool for years, covering up his filth.. she cried because her testimony revealed her to be as slimy as her boss...

littlemissmartypants

(23,447 posts)
37. Crying because she misses her government paychecks.
Fri May 3, 2024, 08:49 PM
May 3

There's not a single thing that's noble or good about her. Except maybe her hair but even then she probably wears extensions.

It's all always been nothing but smoke and mirrors with crew 45. No one should be fooled by them. Especially since it's every psychopath for themselves with them and their ilk.

She's definitely acting and badly at that.

agingdem

(8,083 posts)
42. Hick's is like Daddy's little girl Ivanka..
Fri May 3, 2024, 09:31 PM
May 3

(you remember Ivanka, the daughter he'd like to date)...both are well dressed reptilian sewer sluts...

Botany

(71,062 posts)
71. Attn L. M.S.P.
Sat May 4, 2024, 04:22 PM
May 4

I hit some kind of wrong button on
my smartphone..... I did not mean to
send an alert.
= botany

EmmaLee E

(178 posts)
70. The word "slut"
Sat May 4, 2024, 04:18 PM
May 4

is unnecessary, vile, and anti-women.

(May I ask what you meant by using the term?)



Frankly, I would expect better here at DU.

calimary

(82,444 posts)
67. The instant tears once it's the prosecutors who start asking her questions?
Sat May 4, 2024, 02:41 PM
May 4

Hmmmmm...

Pretty girl crumbles when she's put under pressure.

I'm sorry - I can't take her seriously. I bet she loved the attention and flattery and compliments she got from the donald, day in and day out. We all know he likes surrounding himself with pretty things. I think that's how she climbed as high as she did on the way to, and into, his White House organization. She may have seen a "daddy thing" in him, and she may have seen how easy he was to exploit if you're a pretty young thing (the kind he fantasizes taking to bed). I doubt someone born with as many blessings-on-the-book-cover wouldn't know how to play a hand like that.

Sorry to be so cynical. I have no inside info here. But I'm old enough to have seen enough.

NJCher

(36,388 posts)
51. Whatever the reason
Sat May 4, 2024, 02:24 AM
May 4

For her crying, it’s what the jury thinks that counts.

At the very least, it’s not good for Cheeto. Making pretty ladies cry, even if they are scumbags under all that makeup, is what villains do.

Texin

(2,612 posts)
83. I don't think it was as much about "conscience" as it was about revealing the shame she now feels about it.
Sun May 5, 2024, 09:48 AM
May 5

News people were musing and questioning why she would cry, and I would just posit that she had to admit to being complicit in his mendacity. She actually reminds me of women who remain in an abusive relationship because they view it as a transactional decision (i.e., there/was a quid pro quo relationship).

Bucky

(54,493 posts)
15. This whole chapter of American history has been a Yosemite Sam cartoon from the top.
Fri May 3, 2024, 07:11 PM
May 3

Strike that. Trump is Pepe le Pew.

58Sunliner

(4,694 posts)
50. I won't argue about the actions or drives of a cartoon character who is an animal.
Sat May 4, 2024, 01:52 AM
May 4

Only to say that DT knows right from wrong, as evidenced by his hiding evidence, has no excuse and is incredibly harmful to our country.

Response to msongs (Reply #2)

Response to msongs (Reply #2)

claudette

(3,790 posts)
5. That's a good question
Fri May 3, 2024, 06:55 PM
May 3

Some jurors may not have been convinced it was not an act. But with all her damaging testimony that still probably won’t matter.

Irish_Dem

(52,053 posts)
20. Right, she gives damaging testimony and turns on the waterworks.
Fri May 3, 2024, 07:50 PM
May 3

Could be a way to get sympathy from Trump and the Magas.
So they don't come after her.

Or she still is in love with Trump.

Or she has a shred of decency and glimmer of a conscience?

claudette

(3,790 posts)
44. Not sure
Fri May 3, 2024, 09:35 PM
May 3

which of those it would be. Just seemed odd that such a young woman was so close of an advisor to him. I also read that she is getting married this summer.

Irish_Dem

(52,053 posts)
46. Yes very odd.
Fri May 3, 2024, 09:44 PM
May 3

Not someone with the education, training, or experience to advise a US president.

I wonder who she is marrying?
Hopefully a higher caliber of human being than Trump and other boyfriends.

3catwoman3

(24,478 posts)
73. Here you go - vice chair of Goldman-Sachs.
Sat May 4, 2024, 05:28 PM
May 4
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218920387

She's 35, he's 58.

I tired to find out how old his 4 kids are, but haven't been able to. It wouldn't be surprising if the oldest one is close in age to the step-mama-to-be.

agingdem

(8,083 posts)
80. Decency...no!
Sat May 4, 2024, 07:13 PM
May 4

somehow I doubt she shed tears when Trump imposed the Muslim ban, diverted money from government agencies to build his "wall", separated families at the border, placed babies in cages, said torch carrying Nazis chanting "Jews will not replace us " were "very nice people", referred to third world countries as "shit hole countries", spewed racial and ethnic filth, posited shooting BLM peaceful protestors, ignored a global pandemic, "disappeared" 300,000 covid deaths, attempted to withhold military aid for Ukraine in exchange for dirt on Joe Biden, romanced dictators/autocrats, shared classified information with Russian dignitaries in the Oval Office, called fallen soldiers losers and suckers, insulted our allies, dissed NATO, imposed tariffs on China nearly cratering the steel industry here at home...and the list goes on...

she teared up because she knew if she lied under oath to protect Trump, she would suffer the same fate as Allen Weisselberg...and Hicks knew once she told the truth and betrayed Trump, she would cease to exist in Trump World...boo-fucking-hoo

Warpy

(112,100 posts)
8. "Look at my remorse over whatever the hell you think I did"
Fri May 3, 2024, 07:01 PM
May 3

I don't buy it. People in that administration were chosen for loyalty, not conscience.

TwilightZone

(25,817 posts)
13. In context, it's not about remorse.
Fri May 3, 2024, 07:10 PM
May 3

She seems to have been very, very nervous, and I think it was more about being overwhelmed by the moment than anything specific about the testimony.

ShazzieB

(17,196 posts)
16. You mean like Cassidy Hutchinson? *innocent look*
Fri May 3, 2024, 07:15 PM
May 3

Seriously, I know those people were chosen for their "loyalty" (i.e., willingness to put up with any awful thing Trump did), but quite a few seem to have had their limits when put to the test. I think that's why so many people quit on him when they realized what they had signed up for.

None of us can judge how convincing Hicks' crying on the stand was, because we didn't witness it ourselves. But people can and do have what's called a change of heart. It's a real thing.

ShazzieB

(17,196 posts)
49. I think i get what you mean.
Fri May 3, 2024, 11:01 PM
May 3

Watching Chris Hayes tonight, it was pointed out that she still has positive feelings toward Trump (grateful to him for giving her opportunities, etc.) and cried because she felt emotional about having to testify against him. So I'm thinking "change of hearts" probably doesn't apply here, in the way I was suggesting.

TSF is really good at messing up the lives of people who get involved with him. And he does not care one teeny, tiny little bit. Just one of the many reasons why the word "sick" applies to hum.

MorbidButterflyTat

(2,114 posts)
66. I agree.
Sat May 4, 2024, 01:38 PM
May 4

I suspect being young and susceptible (IMO), she probably thought she was in love with him, in the beginning. It would not surprise me if he told her he loved her.


Edit: The positive feelings may have been for believing she had loved him, and/or that he loved her.

NJCher

(36,388 posts)
53. That may be so, however
Sat May 4, 2024, 02:36 AM
May 4

There is an overriding factor here, and that is her looks.

As we watched the coverage, reading the comments on the screen from inside the courtroom, there was a slideshow going on that eclipsed that of all the other witnesses. That was HH laughing with trump, walking down the airplane stairs with trump, cavorting down the sidewalk outside the WH with trump, et al, ad nauseum.

She had enough loyalty to get by but it was her looks that were the factor in her employment at the WH.

Now where did those photos come from? Sure, a few came from the media’s files, but a collection of that magnitude was requisitioned and put online by someone. That tells a lot right there.

Attilatheblond

(2,829 posts)
68. Pretty sure it was HH who was 'body double' when Melania was NOT going to travel with him
Sat May 4, 2024, 03:47 PM
May 4

but a taller, slightly more muscular body double was with him in outfits that matched Melania's. Even the walk was different, and there was less avoidance of TSF as Melania showed often enough.

Attilatheblond

(2,829 posts)
69. Also, remember that Cassidy Hutchinson said, in an interview once, that Trump suggested SHE put some highlights
Sat May 4, 2024, 03:50 PM
May 4

in her hair 'like Hope has', and Hutchinson did, for a while. Then got rid of them and wondered what she had been thinking trying to please Trump with looking like another woman. THAT was really interesting. Glad Ms Hutchinson got over that willingness to remake herself for that jerk.

Demobrat

(9,182 posts)
4. Gave the prosecution what they needed
Fri May 3, 2024, 06:54 PM
May 3

and realized in that moment she would never be returning to the White House. No matter what.

I find it impossible to believe she was crying for anything but her career.

NowsTheTime

(774 posts)
57. Why care one way or the other about her at this point?
Sat May 4, 2024, 05:23 AM
May 4

....she gave he prosecution what they wanted....she is no longer in government....

....that's all we should care about......

yobrault1

(104 posts)
14. IMHO she cried because
Fri May 3, 2024, 07:10 PM
May 3

she told the truth. Not just today, but in earlier depositions, she couldn't change her story. Today she cried because she knows she is hurting him and she really doesn't want to. She told the truth about him and he hates that but he said what he said and she ain't going to the clink for him.

Bucky

(54,493 posts)
17. Ever pass a kidney stone? For Republicans, that's what the telling the truth is like. You'd cry too.
Fri May 3, 2024, 07:16 PM
May 3

I mean, she's literally having to break her cognitive dissonance. It can be traumatic to be confronted with one's own culpability in betraying the Constitution.

Of course the kidney stone metaphor only applies the Republicans who possess and have been suppressing their conscience. The true sociopaths among them (aka, the leaders of the party) have no stones to pass.

johnnyfins

(935 posts)
18. Please. Im not buying it.
Fri May 3, 2024, 07:44 PM
May 3

Anyone who cant see the orange shitgibbon for what he is, is an idiot or scumbag themself.

IMHO

nakocal

(595 posts)
19. Hicks is still a deplorable
Fri May 3, 2024, 07:46 PM
May 3

She would still be supporting Trump if had not been caught. Now she is just covering her own ass.

Johonny

(21,323 posts)
23. No, Hicks and many others
Fri May 3, 2024, 07:52 PM
May 3

Are pissed at Trump for January 6th. She has stated his actions made them all poison pills and they've had trouble finding work. Where had he just walked away most would have found easy post election emoyment.

Skittles

(154,426 posts)
26. they had trouble finding work
Fri May 3, 2024, 08:09 PM
May 3

boo fucking hoo

they have done irreparable damage to America by pimping for Donald Fucking Trump - FUCK THEM ALL

Johonny

(21,323 posts)
35. Sorry but
Fri May 3, 2024, 08:37 PM
May 3

The question isn't if she is or isn't deplorable, but when he lost her loyalty. He lost it not when he was caught, but when his actions actually hurt Hicks personally. Meaning Hicks like most Republicans only care about things when it hurts them personally. We know from her statements it wasnt the facts coming out (him getting caught) but when she realized his January 6th actions cost her personally. In some ways that's vastly more deplorable.

littlemissmartypants

(23,447 posts)
39. She lied to him several times a day every day she worked for him.
Fri May 3, 2024, 08:59 PM
May 3

That was the essence of her job. Pacifier. She got paid big bucks to facilitate the ruining of American. She needs to cry harder and for a long, long time.

NJCher

(36,388 posts)
55. Hacks like Hicks
Sat May 4, 2024, 02:56 AM
May 4

Lie more than several times a day.

And yes, she needs to cry a whole lot more for her taxpayer funded role as the great pacifier to the orange shitgibbon.

littlemissmartypants

(23,447 posts)
59. How many more than several times a day do we think she lied?
Sat May 4, 2024, 06:33 AM
May 4

I'm curious as to why my several lies a day seem insufficient. How many more times do you think we need to add to several to establish that her number of daily lies reflect an accurate account?
❤️

NJCher

(36,388 posts)
85. do you recall
Sun May 5, 2024, 02:25 PM
May 5

the woman he conversed with when they were talking about General Milley and it was revealed that he was discussing a classified document? With ???? He would discuss and show this stuff to about anybody, we later found out.

If you listen to that conversation, it is one long ego massage by this woman. Sickening. If you're up to it, take a listen:




To put a number on the number of conversations in which she lied, it would be every conversation they had, because these people are living in an alternative reality that is to their liking. To live in it, you have to deny reality and lie about the way things are.

They never stop lying because they are denying the way the rest of us see things. Worst of all, it's a stupid way because trump is a very stupid man.
 

Chainfire

(17,757 posts)
61. How long before Trump claims that he doesn't know Hope Hicks and had never seen her before the trial?
Sat May 4, 2024, 08:30 AM
May 4

Hugin

(33,616 posts)
62. That was the moment Hicks realized the jig was up.
Sat May 4, 2024, 08:34 AM
May 4

She was caught and it’s a wonder that she wasn’t on the other side of the bench. I really do wonder.

Pluvious

(4,459 posts)
65. That moment when...
Sat May 4, 2024, 01:38 PM
May 4

From TSF's perspective, she made the choice to sell him out

His fantasy crush

#DelishAF
#sad

79. NOT TRUE
Sat May 4, 2024, 06:20 PM
May 4
at that moment she started to cry


She started to cry later, when the defense asked a question.

The statement about being fortunate for the election was in response to the prosecution.

ecstatic

(33,133 posts)
84. Saying things out loud to other people can gin up powerful emotions
Sun May 5, 2024, 10:54 AM
May 5

and feelings that you didn't even realize you had. It somehow makes things "real" in a way that is different from when you're just inside your own head, and next thing you know you're unexpectedly crying mid-sentence.

I think the horrors of everything she had participated in covering up bubbled to the surface. The emotions were likely regret, shame and PTSD/ trauma. I think she understands that she was a part of a disgusting, criminal campaign and administration, and last Friday she was forced to relive it and admit to it out loud, in front of the world.

I checked out Hope Hick's Wikipedia page, and it looks like she tried to leave trump numerous times but he kept demanding her return, and I guess she was too weak or felt pressured into going back.

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