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"I used to be a Jew-hater..." (Original Post) digsub May 4 OP
Recommended. yardwork May 4 #1
This bit hits hard: AnrothElf May 4 #2
Excellent! nocoincidences May 4 #3
K and R. Mosby May 4 #4
Excellent mymomwasright May 4 #5
The author is a RW Islamophobe and a racist, a crank who hates UK Labour and our (Sweden) Social Democrats. He loves him Celerity May 4 #6
Either someone's argument holds up or it doesn't Sympthsical May 4 #7
I am always going to push back against racist fucksticks like Amir Pars. His views are mostly antithetical to the core Celerity May 4 #8
Sitautional approval is siding with fundamentalist religion Sympthsical May 4 #9
This author is not coming to the table with anywhere remotely clean hands. He is a RW bellend who actively Celerity May 4 #11
"supports racist, fascist, RW economics-pushing parties and ideologies." Details? speak easy May 5 #27
Read my multiple replies in this thread, where I provided the reciepts. Celerity May 5 #29
... betsuni May 5 #30
Exactly. Thank you. "I think most people have tired of it" -- very tired, it's old. betsuni May 4 #16
Maybe the rest of his views will evolve too. yardwork May 4 #10
more from this RW asshat: Celerity May 4 #13
You seem to have missed my point. yardwork May 4 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author lapucelle May 4 #17
But we were treated to "whilst" and "bellend" lapucelle May 4 #18
He's a RW asshole who, amongst other fucked up things, votes for and supports an ultra RW fascist, nationalist political Celerity May 4 #20
But he's not an anti-Semite, and he's not a Jew-hater. lapucelle May 4 #21
If a simple, common word like 'whilst' triggers you into weak mocking attempts at me, you really should avoid the UK Celerity May 4 #22
I don't know what "mocking attempts at me" actually means. Is it British English? lapucelle May 4 #23
+1 betsuni May 5 #25
HA! PETTIFOG. betsuni May 5 #24
He seems to be a fan of Thomas Sowell and Ayn Rand, Ocelot II May 5 #31
SD on balance is very anti LGBTQ, and especially anti trans, plus many are forced birthers and most are raging Celerity May 5 #32
For me the alarms went off when he mentioned Sowell, Ocelot II May 5 #33
Thank you, very good read. sheshe2 May 4 #12
The son of a Hamas co-founder denounced Hamas's indoctrinization of children at the UN. lapucelle May 5 #34
Thank you for the link, lapucelle, I will listen. sheshe2 May 5 #37
Mahalo for this digsub. I Cha May 4 #15
That is an excellent piece JustAnotherGen May 4 #19
quote enid602 May 5 #26
Good read. Recommend. brer cat May 5 #28
Kicking for now... I still Cha May 5 #35
Thank you for posting this LetMyPeopleVote May 5 #36
 

AnrothElf

(923 posts)
2. This bit hits hard:
Sat May 4, 2024, 12:10 PM
May 4
Israel left Gaza in 2005 unilaterally. What does that word — unilaterally — mean, in this context?

It means that they removed every single Jew in Gaza, at times by force, and even dug up the graves of long-dead Israelis, to hand the land over to the Arabs. No other nation on Earth has gone to such lengths as Israel did, to facilitate something akin to a peace offering.

Since then, Gaza has received more aid per capita than any nation in history, from the UN, U.S., Egypt, and Qatar (not to mention all the funds pumped into Hamas and Hezbollah by Iran). Where has this money gone? To build energy and water plants, investment in agriculture, infrastructure, schools, and hospitals?

Of course not. The money has been confiscated by Hamas, who narrowly won the election in 2006, and proceeded to murder all their political opponents in the purge of 2007, and who have been in power ever since without any further elections.

It has been used on rockets, which they have deployed in attacking Israel on an almost yearly basis, and to build vast, sophisticated tunnel systems which only serve one purpose: to enable their terrorist attacks on Israel, the Jewish state.

Celerity

(44,616 posts)
6. The author is a RW Islamophobe and a racist, a crank who hates UK Labour and our (Sweden) Social Democrats. He loves him
Sat May 4, 2024, 03:13 PM
May 4

some Thatcher, Kissinger, the hard RW nationalist/racist Sweden Democrats, Thomas Sowell and and newer plonkers like Kemi Badenoch (Tory), etc etc. He is a constant immigrant basher. He is a pusher of the RW meme that anti-racism is the real racism. A real self-hating quisling for the RW.

a sample:

https://amirpars.substack.com/p/farval-sverige-mitt-alskade-land

snip

Can we be honest?

Sweden, the country that was the ideal for other nations to aspire to, the model for what an almost perfect society could look like, today has the highest number of shooting deaths in peacetime Europe. We have the highest rate of rape in the entire continent, despite desperate attempts to paint it as if it is an esoteric form of statistical manipulation and Kafkaesque distortion of language about definitions. Violent crime, theft, gun violence, robbery, sexual crime - name the crime and Sweden - SWEDEN! - is now, if not world-leading, then definitely on the medal podium in the Western world.

And the tragic thing is that everyone knows what the problem is.

It's spelled mass immigration, and it's individuals who look like me who are holding our country hostage.


Can we be honest about this? Can we at least admit that up is up, and down is down?

No, it turns out. We can't. Or at least not without trying desperately to find an explanation as to why it is the Swedes' fault that immigrants commit so many crimes.

After the 2022 election, I had dinner with a friend from Stockholm who is one of the country's leading personalities in tech and startup circles. He sheepishly lamented, almost as if apologizing, that things had gone so well for the Sweden Democrats (SD), assuming I would agree. To his shock, he heard how I had not only voted for (SD), but how many other immigrants from my generation had done the same.

snip

Sympthsical

(9,238 posts)
7. Either someone's argument holds up or it doesn't
Sat May 4, 2024, 03:24 PM
May 4

Make an argument against what he said if you think he's wrong.

The source wars got played out once Al Jazeera became the paper of record for some people. Source policing has increasingly become a propaganda strategy, and I think most people have tired of it.

Either an argument is good or it is not. Engage or don't engage accordingly.

Celerity

(44,616 posts)
8. I am always going to push back against racist fucksticks like Amir Pars. His views are mostly antithetical to the core
Sat May 4, 2024, 03:31 PM
May 4

beliefs of the vast majority of the US Democratic Party, the Social Democrats in Sweden, and Labour in the UK, all of which I am a member of.

Sad to see you use situational approval to prop him up and give him agency here.


Sympthsical

(9,238 posts)
9. Sitautional approval is siding with fundamentalist religion
Sat May 4, 2024, 03:56 PM
May 4

Which I see very little pushback against alongside the promotion of those sources.

So, I mean, what's the argument about then? It's clear, on this issue, there are a lot of strange relationships and alliances that come down on different arguments.

Everyone is standing on wheels for legs with this.

But at least I understand and am unwilling to pretend that I'm not in the rink.

Celerity

(44,616 posts)
11. This author is not coming to the table with anywhere remotely clean hands. He is a RW bellend who actively
Sat May 4, 2024, 04:13 PM
May 4

supports racist, fascist, RW economics-pushing parties and ideologies.

Fuck him and the RW horse he rode in on.

Anyone who supports the neo-nazi infused Sweden Democrats, for instance, is an instant political enemy of mine.

It is staggeringly hypocritical for him to try and put himself out there as some sort of anti 'anti-semitism' warrior whilst supporting a major political party here in Sweden that is rife with 'gas the Jews' types.

Mind-boggling.

speak easy

(9,448 posts)
27. "supports racist, fascist, RW economics-pushing parties and ideologies." Details?
Sun May 5, 2024, 05:44 AM
May 5

I am not doubting you, but would like to know more. Does he support the adD, Reform UK, National Rally, or Orbán for example?

yardwork

(62,083 posts)
10. Maybe the rest of his views will evolve too.
Sat May 4, 2024, 04:08 PM
May 4

Seriously, the fact that he was wrong about... everything... is not a point in the anti-Israeli camp's favor.

Celerity

(44,616 posts)
13. more from this RW asshat:
Sat May 4, 2024, 04:41 PM
May 4
https://amirpars.substack.com/p/true-kemistry

This is a charade that became the norm in our political discourse with Tony Blair and Bill Clinton, and has since been adopted by politicians across all parties (the excellent American sitcom “Parks and Recreation” portrayed this persona perfectly in the character of Congressman Murray). Even though lately, the public has shown that they favour those who deviate from such pretence - think Trump vs Hillary (the embodiment of such non-persona) or Boris vs Theresa May – the virus persists with unyielding obstinacy.

snip

It is in this pile of mud that Kemi Badenoch stands out like a gemstone. Suddenly, we have a politician who echoes Thomas Sowell’s great insight that there are no solutions, only compromises. Who openly acknowledges that we must brace ourselves for a period of hardship as a result of her colleagues’ short-sightism, instead of promising the world and delivering nothing. Who exposes ridiculous, virtue-signalling initiatives like “Net zero by 2050”, by pointing out that none of those making such pledges will be in power in 28 years time, and do not therefore need to bear the consequences of their empty vows.

snip

She does not apologise for her convictions, such as Britain not being a “systemic racist” country, or that children should not be indoctrinated with divisive nonsense like Critical Race Theory, even though she is bombarded with abuse on social media for it. Unlike the other candidates on the ballot, Kemi Badenoch does not seem to think that avoiding an avalanche of angry tweets is worth compromising her convictions for.

snip

Many of my fellow “Kemists” say she is the best hope against a Labour resurgence, that she is the Left’s nightmare. Personally, I could not care less and do not think that should be why anyone vote for Ms. Badenoch. Rather, it is because she represents the only feasible alternative to the business-as-usual options we have on both sides of the aisles. In Badenoch, we suddenly have the opportunity for actual change, not just in leadership but in politics. Like Thatcher before her, Badenoch does not obsess about being liked, as if being Prime Minister is a popularity contest, but as someone who is willing to pay the price of being honest.

snip


This is who he revels in (the Tory RWer of colour Kemi Badenoch):













Response to yardwork (Reply #14)

lapucelle

(18,742 posts)
18. But we were treated to "whilst" and "bellend"
Sat May 4, 2024, 09:53 PM
May 4

in the effort to discredit what sounds like a sincere repudiation of former anti-Semitism.

"Don't trust the brown, culturally Muslim Iranian when he tells you that he has renounced anti-Semitism."

Celerity

(44,616 posts)
20. He's a RW asshole who, amongst other fucked up things, votes for and supports an ultra RW fascist, nationalist political
Sat May 4, 2024, 10:11 PM
May 4

party here (the Sweden Democrats) that sprung up from various neo nazi factions and still has a shedload of them in it, total 'put the jews into the oven' types. He is a massive fucking hypocrite.





lapucelle

(18,742 posts)
21. But he's not an anti-Semite, and he's not a Jew-hater.
Sat May 4, 2024, 10:24 PM
May 4

Now for the next question.

Is he ...

- a farthingale? (No, that can't be right.)
- a redingcote? (Bullocks, that's not it either.)
- a popinjay? (Still not there.)

- a pettifog?...Yes that's it! Is he a pettifog?


Celerity

(44,616 posts)
22. If a simple, common word like 'whilst' triggers you into weak mocking attempts at me, you really should avoid the UK
Sat May 4, 2024, 10:28 PM
May 4

at all costs in terms of a visit.

Ocelot II

(116,686 posts)
31. He seems to be a fan of Thomas Sowell and Ayn Rand,
Sun May 5, 2024, 10:10 AM
May 5

which makes me wonder where he's really coming from. Good for him for renouncing anti-Semitism, but it looks like that instead of. becoming a more open-minded person, he's just found another group to hate. SD, which he supports, is very right-wing, Sweden's version of MAGA Republicans, especially with respect to immigration, except that they apparently support Ukraine vs. Russia and don't hate LGBTQ people quite as much.

Celerity

(44,616 posts)
32. SD on balance is very anti LGBTQ, and especially anti trans, plus many are forced birthers and most are raging
Sun May 5, 2024, 10:23 AM
May 5

Islamophobes, and plenty are jew haters as well, which is why I call him a huge hypocrite for saying he is anti antisemitic, yet supports a partially neo nazi (especially their roots) party here (SD)

you are correct that they hate Russia for the most part, due to historical centuries long Swedish (and Finnish, as we we ruled Finalnd for a long time as well) conflicts with Russia

Ocelot II

(116,686 posts)
33. For me the alarms went off when he mentioned Sowell,
Sun May 5, 2024, 10:53 AM
May 5

a Black conservative who opposed any sort of affirmative action or other efforts on the part of government to improve opportunities for minority groups and didn't believe in the existence of systemic racism.

lapucelle

(18,742 posts)
34. The son of a Hamas co-founder denounced Hamas's indoctrinization of children at the UN.
Sun May 5, 2024, 10:53 AM
May 5

It's a long listen, but worth it. Mosab Hassan Yousef's piece starts about 10 minutes in.

Through the Voice and Eyes of Hamas

http://webtv.un.org/en/asset/k11/k119r4joso

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