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Thank God Biden is deciding to put the brakes on support for Israel. (Original Post) TomDaisy May 2024 OP
Good Duncanpup May 2024 #1
Prepare to be disappointed if that is what you think Biden is doing. RockRaven May 2024 #2
Public outcry demands it TomDaisy May 2024 #3
Public outcry demands a lot of things, and not all of them come to pass. RockRaven May 2024 #4
Biden responds well to what the public wants LiberaBlueDem May 2024 #15
Hamas supporters demand it TexasDem69 May 2024 #5
That's not true anymore cannabis_flower May 2024 #8
Still true actually TexasDem69 May 2024 #12
Netanyahu doesn't know when to stop digging TomDaisy May 2024 #20
I'm not a supporter of Hamas and I want Biden to stop giving military aid to Israel. patphil May 2024 #17
Very reasonable response TexasDem69 May 2024 #19
a smaller space - like the two dimensional space between two giant slabs of concrete TomDaisy May 2024 #21
Biden supports Israel unequivocally. Raven123 May 2024 #6
"Ironclad" JoseBalow May 2024 #11
The Biden administration has always been against further incursions by Israel that aren't defensive Nixie May 2024 #22
He's delaying weapons because Netanyahu is about to flatten Rafah womanofthehills May 2024 #23
Dark Brandon LiberaBlueDem May 2024 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author tritsofme May 2024 #9
Heh. nt LexVegas May 2024 #10
Thanks Joe. Biebs' needs to know the US isn't his blank check provider. jalan48 May 2024 #13
What he doesn't support is Nutsandyahoo. Pretty sure he supports the people. 58Sunliner May 2024 #14
Good! Bluesaph May 2024 #16
LMAO BannonsLiver May 2024 #18

RockRaven

(19,354 posts)
4. Public outcry demands a lot of things, and not all of them come to pass.
Sun May 5, 2024, 02:39 PM
May 2024

A better predictor of the future is the past.

 

TexasDem69

(2,317 posts)
5. Hamas supporters demand it
Sun May 5, 2024, 02:41 PM
May 2024

But not any reasonable person who actually understands the meaning of the term “genocide.” There is no genocide in Gaza, and those who spread that slur are implicitly (and in some cases explicitly) supporting Hamas. Although this article is a few months old, nothing has changed on this issue:

No Western country has declared support for South Africa’s allegations against Israel [of genocide]. The U.S., a close Israel ally, has rejected them as unfounded, the U.K. has called them unjustified, and Germany said it “explicitly rejects” them.


https://apnews.com/article/genocide-israel-palestinians-gaza-court-fbd7fe4af10b542a1a4e2c7563029bfb

cannabis_flower

(3,932 posts)
8. That's not true anymore
Sun May 5, 2024, 04:08 PM
May 2024
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/International/wireStory/colombias-president-country-break-diplomatic-relations-israel-war-109837997

BOGOTA, Colombia -- Colombian President Gustavo Petro on Wednesday announced his government will break diplomatic relations with Israel effective Thursday in the latest escalation of tensions between the countries over the Israel-Hamas war.

Petro again described Israel’s siege of Gaza as “genocide.” He previously suspended purchases of weapons from Israel and compared that country’s actions in Gaza to those of Nazi Germany.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/01/29/israel-hamas-gaza-war-latin-america-chile-argentina-colombia-mexico-genocide/

Now, key Latin American countries are spurning Israel for its war conduct while also condemning Hamas for its attack. In early January, Brazil and Colombia endorsed South Africa’s genocide claim against Israel at the International Court of Justice (ICJ), as well as Pretoria’s petition for provisional measures to stop the war and ease Gaza’s humanitarian crisis. On Jan. 18, Chile and Mexico presented a referral to the International Criminal Court to reinforce its investigation into possible war crimes and crimes against humanity in Gaza, the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Israel. These actions have put Latin America at sharp odds with the United States and some European nations.
 

TexasDem69

(2,317 posts)
12. Still true actually
Sun May 5, 2024, 05:00 PM
May 2024

The only countries supporting this nonsense “genocide” story, promoted by Hamas’ supporters, are Hamas’ friends. The story I posted made clear that some South American countries were also supporting this farce. You’re just repeating that point.

patphil

(9,059 posts)
17. I'm not a supporter of Hamas and I want Biden to stop giving military aid to Israel.
Sun May 5, 2024, 05:31 PM
May 2024

I also don't believe Israel is engaging in genocide. What they're doing is pushing the Palestinians into a smaller piece of Gaza; a land grab. It's the same thing they've been doing on the West Bank for decades.
It's ironic, that the phrase, "from the river to the sea" is always associated with the Arabs driving the Jews out of Palestine, but the opposite has become equally true.
Neither viewpoint is reasonable, or could ever happen.
This forever war has to stop, and there is no military solution that can make that happen.
The leadership of both Hamas and Israel need to be replaced with people who are less self-serving, more loving and compassionate towards their people, and more open to fixing what's broke there.

 

TomDaisy

(2,120 posts)
21. a smaller space - like the two dimensional space between two giant slabs of concrete
Mon May 6, 2024, 12:21 AM
May 2024

Raven123

(7,793 posts)
6. Biden supports Israel unequivocally.
Sun May 5, 2024, 02:42 PM
May 2024

He does not support Netanyahu unequivocally. If he is delaying armaments to Israel, it MAY be because he has concerns regarding Netanyahu. There may be some other explanation.

Nixie

(17,984 posts)
22. The Biden administration has always been against further incursions by Israel that aren't defensive
Mon May 6, 2024, 12:31 AM
May 2024

in nature or that don't address the current hostage/refugee situation. They have said for some time, way before the campus protests, that the US will not support further aggressive fronts by Israel. But the US will always defend Israel. This is a consistent policy position, but some are not acknowledging that.

womanofthehills

(10,988 posts)
23. He's delaying weapons because Netanyahu is about to flatten Rafah
Mon May 6, 2024, 12:35 AM
May 2024

Israel plans to flatten Rafah but has checkpoints so men & boys can leave Rafah according to Middle East Eye. Sounds like more genocide to me.

Response to TomDaisy (Original post)

58Sunliner

(6,325 posts)
14. What he doesn't support is Nutsandyahoo. Pretty sure he supports the people.
Sun May 5, 2024, 05:08 PM
May 2024

I am glad to see we are questioning unequivocal support for the govt which does not always serve the interests of fairness or peace or the will of it's citizens. We should have attached strings long ago. Their historical actions in Gaza and the west bank are insidious.

Bluesaph

(1,026 posts)
16. Good!
Sun May 5, 2024, 05:25 PM
May 2024

We don’t need to play a part in this any longer. Let them sort it out.

Both peoples need to get rid of all their leaders and make peace possible. It’s the leaders who gotta go and we don’t need to support any of them.

I wish somehow Biden could say, “No more money until Netanyahu steps down!”

And I wish there was an equivalent for Hamas but they don’t care about their people.

BannonsLiver

(20,582 posts)
18. LMAO
Sun May 5, 2024, 05:47 PM
May 2024

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When he doesn’t do that the hand wringing will be epic.
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