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(16,385 posts)Anti-semitism abounds.
Behind the Aegis
(56,108 posts)See, we are just too stupid to understand the "good intentions" of shit like this.
Ace Rothstein
(3,373 posts)RandySF
(84,274 posts)marble falls
(71,926 posts)Mossfern
(4,716 posts)It seems that the threat pertains to them.
How do American Jews make Israelis and Palestinians "fall in line" so that American Jews will not be threatened.
This is just not acceptable - there is no excuse for messages like this.
marble falls
(71,926 posts)... who finance a lot of the outrage and illegal settlements.
Meir Kahane
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meir_Kahane
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Meir Kahane
מאיר כהנא
Kahane in New York in 1984
Faction represented in the Knesset
19841988 Kach
Personal details
Brooklyn College (BA)
New York Law School (LLB)
New York University (MA)
Meir David HaKohen Kahane (/kəˈhɑːnə/ kə-HAH-nə; Hebrew: רבי מאיר דוד הכהן כהנא; born Martin David Kahane;[1] August 1, 1932 November 5, 1990) was an American-born Israeli ordained Orthodox rabbi, writer, and ultra-nationalist politician who served one term in Israel's Knesset before being convicted of acts of terrorism. He founded the Israeli political party Kach. A cofounder of the Jewish Defense League (JDL), he espoused strong views against antisemitism.
According to his widow, he organized defense squads and patrols in Jewish neighborhoods, and demanded that the Soviet Union allow Refusenik to emigrate to Israel.[2] He supported violence against those he regarded as enemies of the Jewish people, and called for immediate Jewish mass migration to Israel to avoid a potential "Holocaust" in the United States, popularizing the slogan Never Again through a book of the same name.[3] He also popularized the slogan "For Every Jew a .22."[4] He supported the restriction of Israel's democracy to its Jewish citizens, and endorsed the annexation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip.[5]
In 1968, Kahane was one of the co-founders of the JDL in the United States. In 1971, he co-founded Kach ("Thus"
, a new political party in Israel. That same year, he was convicted in New York for conspiracy to manufacture explosives and received a suspended sentence of five years.[6] In Israel, he was convicted for plotting to blow up the Libyan embassy in Brussels in revenge for the massacre of 11 Israeli athletes at the 1972 Summer Olympics in Munich, receiving a suspended sentence and probation.[7] In 1984, he became a member of the Knesset, when Kach gained its only-ever seat in parliamentary elections. Kahane was boycotted across the aisles of the Knesset, and would often speak in front of an empty chamber. The Israel Broadcasting Authority similarly avoided coverage of his activities. The Central Elections Committee tried to ban Kahane from running in the 1984 elections, but this ban was overturned by the Supreme Court because there was no law to support it. In response, the Knesset approved an ad hoc law that allowed for the banning of parties that are "racist" or "undemocratic". In 1988, despite polls showing Kach gaining popularity due in part to the ongoing First Intifada, Kach was banned from entering that year's elections.[8]
Kahane publicized his Kahanism ideology through published works, weekly articles, speeches, debates on college campuses and in synagogues throughout the United States, and appearances on various televised programs and radio shows. In Israel, he proposed enforcing Halakha as codified by Maimonides[9] and hoped that Israel would eventually adopt Halakha as state law.[10] Non-Jews wishing to dwell in Israel would have three options: remain as "resident strangers" with limited rights,[11] leave Israel and receive compensation for their property, or be forcibly removed without compensation.[12] While serving in the Knesset in the mid-1980s Kahane proposed numerous laws, none of which passed, to emphasize Judaism in public schools, reduce Israel's bureaucracy, forbid sexual relations between Jews and non-Jews, separate Jewish and Arab neighborhoods, and end cultural meetings between Jewish and Arab students.[8] He went as far as to demand that non-Jews in Israel either become slaves or face deportation.[13] Kahane was assassinated in a New York City hotel by an Egyptian-born U.S. citizen in November 1990. His legacy continues to influence militant and far-right political groups active today in Israel.[14]
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Mossfern
(4,716 posts)do NOT support Kahane or the JDL.
Picking out a small group of radicals doesn't come close to proving your point.
marble falls
(71,926 posts)... Pretending there aren't radical, hateful people included in Israel isn't productive, either.
I don't believe the vast majority of Israelis or American Jews support Bibi Netanyahu's outrages.
There have thousands of US students across the US protesting Netanyahu's outrages. There have been tens of thousands of Israelis protesting Netanyahu, too.
I repeat: Israelis and Palestinians have been ill served by their leaders.
Mossfern
(4,716 posts)I don't know why you are even bringing that up.
I don't recall anyone on this forum saying that.
However, this OP is showing a message that seems like a threat to all Jews.
It has nothing to do with the student protests - not unless you are saying that the protests pose a threat to Jewish people; and if they are, why do you think that's so?
If not, what do you think the chanting means?
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...you wouldn't think it would have to be said that if it's ok to kill innocent civilians of any group, it's ok to kill innocent civilians of all groups.
You would think we had learned that already.
sarisataka
(22,695 posts)Attacking Jews is ok because Israel?
Wow
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)..and has nothing to do with this thread.
You should delete that.
sarisataka
(22,695 posts)What I wrote is what this thread is about. The comment about Jews not being safe is simply justification for attacking innocent people. An attack on one innocent is in no way justification for an attack on another.
It is shocking that needs to be said out loud and more that there are people who disagree.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...taking my words out of context, thank you.
Edit to add:
We're in agreement when you say:
" An attack on one innocent is in no way justification for an attack on another."
That was obviously the point of my post
Now if we could only get that message to netanyahu.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)"No Jew is safe until everyone is safe, and no Jew is free until Palestine is free."
The above is what you posted...nothing about innocents. It is untrue and despicable.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)"No Jew is safe until everyone is safe, and no Jew is free until Palestine is free."
Means?
It means that since Jews are part of "everybody", then no one group of us is safe, including Jews (and anyone else), until we are all safe.
And it is true.
If killing innocent people, any innocent people, is okay, then we are all in danger, and not safe.
FBaggins
(28,706 posts)That was obviously the point of my post
Cannot be squared with:
.you wouldn't think it would have to be said that if it's ok to kill innocent civilians of any group, it's ok to kill innocent civilians of all groups
Of course... it apparently also needs to be said that there's only one group acting as though it's ok to kill innocent civilians. And that's Hamas.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)But you know that.
FBaggins
(28,706 posts)One side is not only willing but anxious to kill civilians (including their own). The other side is not dissuaded from legitimate military targets by the fact that they co-locate with civilians.
Civilian casualties are never "ok"... and should be minimized whenever possible. But there is no moral equivalency between being willing to accept collateral casualties in warfare and the intentional targeting of those civilians.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)FBaggins
(28,706 posts)Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)That is wrong.
marble falls
(71,926 posts)marble falls
(71,926 posts)sarisataka
(22,695 posts)Of course, no one would say that word-for-word. However, we are seeing when it comes to attitudes towards Jews the cynical interpretation is likely the accurate one.
AloeVera
(4,263 posts)An excellent point. But sadly misunderstood/misinterpreted by the other posters here.
I get it, and I think a lot of people would.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)SoFlaBro
(3,790 posts)Johnny2X2X
(24,207 posts)Has it even occurred to some of thes epeople that a lot of American Jews don't give a flying fart what is going on in Israel, it's not their country, they are American and don't care about Israel any more than they do about Sweden or New Zealand?
That's the antisemiticsm, to think all Jews in America not only care about this conflict, but that they have any tangible role in it. It's the same tripe when an Islamic terror attack happens, as if American Muslims have anything to do with it.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)ridiculous and antisemitic pure and simple.
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)Newspeak. It's a thing.
Bad Thoughts
(2,657 posts)Pure and simple.
Sympthsical
(10,969 posts)But that shit started before I had my shoes on.
Boy howdy.
So, uh . . . . is the Columbia Law Chapter outside agitators still?
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)those responsible for releasing this antisemitic quote are A. fired (faculty) or B. expelled (students).
Sympthsical
(10,969 posts)They want Jews - American Jews - to feel threatened and unsafe.
This is what the authoritarians look like under the guise of anti-oppression.
We know who they are. They advertise at every opportunity.
I believe them.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)Behind the Aegis
(56,108 posts)
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)Last edited Mon May 6, 2024, 03:50 PM - Edit history (2)
don't live there. In case you fail to notice Israelis were out in the street protesting the war and Netanyahu. This post is antisemitic and you should self-delete.
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muriel_volestrangler
(106,210 posts)...
Panelists said Jews have to stand up for all groups being targeted including Muslims and those of other faiths, people of color and the LGBTQ community.
No Jew is safe until everyone is safe, Normandin said.
https://www.theoaklandpress.com/2020/01/27/recent-events-stoke-concerns-of-rising-anti-semitism/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/carolyn-normandin-9947275
CincyDem
(7,392 posts)Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #24)
Celerity This message was self-deleted by its author.
muriel_volestrangler
(106,210 posts)The CLG (their letter is written, clearly, by Jewish members of the CLG at the Columbia protests) are complaining about the danger to the protestors, and to Palestinians - "Our safety cannot be predicated on the oppression of others, whether campus protestors or Palestinians". That matches well with the "Panelists said Jews have to stand up for all groups being targeted including Muslims and those of other faiths, people of color and the LGBTQ community" that preceded the ADL use.
Celerity
(54,407 posts)cheers