Israeli airstrike that killed seven health workers in Lebanon used US munition, analysis reveals

[David__77]

Israel used a US weapon in a March airstrike which killed seven healthcare workers in southern Lebanon, according to a Guardian analysis of shrapnel found at the site of the attack, which was described by Human Rights Watch as a violation of international law.

Seven volunteer paramedics, aged between 18 and 25, were killed in the 27 March attack on an ambulance center belonging to the Lebanese Succor Association in the town of al-Habariyeh in south Lebanon on 27 March.

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Human Rights Watch said that its own investigation concluded that the strike on the healthcare center was unlawful and should have implications for US military assistance to Israel.

“Israel’s assurances that it is using US weapons lawfully are not credible. As Israel’s conduct in Gaza and Lebanon continues to violate international law, the Biden administration should immediately suspend arms sales to Israel,” said Ramzi Kaiss, Lebanon researcher for Human Rights Watch.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/06/israel-airstrike-lebanon-us-weapons-international-law

[Think. Again.]

1. I never understood why the U.S....

...is in the business of peddling arms anyway.

I can see that we need our own defense tools, but why does the U.S. govt have anything to do with retailing anything, let alone weaponry?

[yagotme]

2. Sell off older/outdated material, replace it with new stuff.

Older ammo is used for training/sold, to keep freshest ammo available for battle. Also, military/industrial boondoggles.

[Think. Again.]

3. Seems like something we should think twice about...

....do we sell off confiscated illicit drugs too?

[yagotme]

4. Completely different topic. Apples/oranges. nt

[Think. Again.]

6. No, I mean if we're gonna do crappy side gigs...

..why limit ourselves to only one society destroying commodity?

[yagotme]

7. Selling a "legal" item that you paid to have manufactured,

and selling a "confiscated" illegal item, is 2 different things. I stand by my original post.

[Think. Again.]

8. I thought there WERE laws about...

....about selling military grade arms.

[yagotme]

10. Yes. Are there laws about selling illegal confiscated drugs?

Military grade arms can be sold, legally. Confiscated illegal drugs, not so much. Again, I stand by my original post.

[Think. Again.]

11. Military grade arms can be sold legally?

Wow, it's worse than I thought.

[sarisataka]

12. Are you really pretending you don't know

it is legal for one country to sell weapons to another?

Should we stop sending weapons to Ukraine?

[Think. Again.]

14. Oh, you're comparing American-only drug laws...

...to international arms laws, I didn't realize that.

I also didn't realize we were selling Ukraine weapons, I thought it was aid.

My bad.

[sarisataka]

18. Where did I mention drugs or US laws about them

But I see, your objection is to selling arms. So if we just gave them to Israel as aid, everything would be copacetic?

[yagotme]

19. I think that they are confusing your posts with mine. nt

[Think. Again.]

21. yes, you claimed we can't sell illicit drugs...

...because of drug laws, but we can sell military grade arms because that legal, I don't understand how American drug laws stop us from selling them internationally but I'm taking your word for it just like Icm taking your word that selling military grade weapons is legal even though I've never seen anyone who own a missile.

And yes, as I mentioned in my first post, I object to the U.S. selling arms as a policy, but would not object to the U.S. supplying military aid (such as to Ukraine) as a policy.

[sarisataka]

22. You need to check who you are replying to

I never mentioned drugs...

Here is a T-72 Main Battle Tank for sale. A steal at 300k euro
https://mortarinvestments.eu/catalog/item/t-72

[Think. Again.]

23. Sorry, I was in the middle of a conversation, what were you saying?

[sarisataka]

24. I'll play...

In post 11 you stated "Military grade arms can be sold legally?"

Since the conversation was about the US selling arms, I was asking why are you pretending to be unaware such sales between countries are legal?

[Think. Again.]

25. I didn't pretend that...

...it gets a little complex but the poster that I was having the discussion with claimed we can't sell confiscated drugs to other countries because of American drug laws, but that selling military weapons is okay, by by which I naturally assumed they meant military weapons were not illegal.

(Between you and me, it turns out I was being misled, military grade weapons actually are NOT legal.)

[sarisataka]

27. You are misled, they are legal {military grade weapons}

All it takes is paperwork, time and of course money

[Think. Again.]

28. hmmm...

"In the United States, it is illegal for citizens to own military weapons, such as fully automatic firearms and explosive devices, unless they obtain special permits and licenses from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF)."
-https://thegunzone.com/is-it-illegal-for-citizens-to-own-military-weapons/

I won't get nit-picky about the permit thing, obviously they don't just give those out to everybody.

Edit to add: So I giess itcs like having a doctors license allowing you to have illicit drugs for whatever reason.

Back to square one.

[sarisataka]

30. You can just admit you were wrong and move on

And once again, I never mentioned drugs.

[Think. Again.]

31. Stop.

I'm not wrong about anything.

It's just as illegal to sell military weapons as it is to sell drugs, and as my initial post suggested, just as immoral.

Next time you step into an ongoing conversation, you might consider offering something useful to the discussion rather than just picking on people with twisted logic and baseless circular arguments.

[sarisataka]

32. I saw an error and corrected it

It is most factually provable that it IS legal to sell military weapons to civilians. The seller needs a license and the buyer needs a permit.

Not unlike a licensed pharmacy can sell otherwise restricted drugs to a customer, if the customer has a prescription.

I have better things to do than pick on people, even if they have twisted logic and baseless circular arguments. You may not like the facts I have presented and can deny them, but they remain facts.

[Think. Again.]

33. .

Good try.

[sarisataka]

34. Try? No

I do not continue with Sisyphean tasks

[yagotme]

13. Yes. For longer than we've been a country.

That rock you're sleeping under must be getting heavy.

[Think. Again.]

15. ...give me minute, looking to buy some missiles online....

[yagotme]

16. Missiles might be a bit of a problem.

If you want something a little easier, try a functioning tank. Lots of paperwork and money but still doable. Perhaps a cannon might be more in line for what you're looking for.

[Think. Again.]

17. Good thing it's all legal.

[yagotme]

20. Yup. But it COULD be done, illegally, but then, it would be...

illegal. Like the drugs you were mentioning previously. That's why I've been saying it's two different things. Legal. Not legal.

[Happy Hoosier]

29. You need a specific license to do it.

And it's not easy to get. These sales are regulated by the International Traffic In Arms Regulations (ITAR) and the US generally takes these very seriously. Even selling to an ally requires quite a bit of process.

For example, Lockheed martin cannot just decide to sell F-16's to anyone they want. These sales must be approved by the State Department.

[malaise]

5. Duh!

Rec

[Ping Tung]

9. Now I get it. "It's not personal...it's just business."

“WAR is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.”
General Smedley Butler

[maxsolomon]

26. One presumes they were shooting at a Hezbollah target.

tell me more about the Lebanese Succor Association in the town of al-Habariyeh in south Lebanon.