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RandySF

(84,260 posts)
Tue May 7, 2024, 09:48 AM May 2024

Columbia University employees describe captivity by pro-Palestinian protesters.

NEW YORK — A prominent transit union leader plans to sue Columbia University over alleged mistreatment of school staffers during a building seizure last week — the latest labor group to wade into the debate surrounding campus unrest.

John Samuelsen, international president of the Transport Workers Union — which represents 155,000 workers across the airline, transit, railroad, universities, utilities and service sectors — castigated Columbia President Minouche Shafik for waiting too long to authorize the NYPD to clear out Hamilton Hall after demonstrators occupied it last Tuesday night........

When the custodians told the demonstrators that they wanted to get out of the building, at least one “smarmy, sanctimonious, elitist ... occupier” — in a reference to the Gaza protests and takeover of Hamilton — told them they would not be able to exit premises because “this moment is bigger than you,” Samuelsen alleged in the letter.

The custodians had to then fight their way toward one of the barricaded exits to escape, he said.

The security officer, an African American woman, managed to slip out before the barricades were set up, Samuelsen added. But she’s still “shaken” by her run-in with the demonstrators who verbally attacked her “in a very aggressive and extremely offensive manner,” he said.




https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/07/tranport-workers-union-columbia-lawsuit-00156421

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Columbia University employees describe captivity by pro-Palestinian protesters. (Original Post) RandySF May 2024 OP
Holding someone hostage against their will is a violent act JohnSJ May 2024 #1
I guess that's what they meant by "globalize the intifada" AZSkiffyGeek May 2024 #2
Its called kidnapping getagrip_already May 2024 #3
Yes. JohnSJ May 2024 #4
Sounds typical, very aggressive and extremely offensive. betsuni May 2024 #5
To be fair, they were probably hangry since mommy didn't pack their chickie nuggies AZSkiffyGeek May 2024 #11
the occupiers responsible should be charged with kidnapping & false imprisonment rollin74 May 2024 #6
I hope they sue and get all the money these schools take in JI7 May 2024 #7
Good for her JustAnotherGen May 2024 #8
"smarmy, sanctimonious, elitist ... occupier" Clearly their is aggression but it appears to be against the students RAB910 May 2024 #9
The students who tried to hold them captive? RandySF May 2024 #10
so all a name-caller has to do is make an accusation and they are guilty? RAB910 May 2024 #14
Name caller? BannonsLiver May 2024 #16
It seems calling someone names is really over the top ripcord May 2024 #17
We don't know this person from Adam, so the name calling is the only glimpse of their character RAB910 May 2024 #20
"Yeah I know you were held against your will for a period of time..." BannonsLiver May 2024 #35
Are you impressed by name-callers? When I read that nonsense, I lost respect for the person RAB910 May 2024 #21
Impressed might be a little strong. BannonsLiver May 2024 #24
Name caller is a factual statement lacking an pejorative element RAB910 May 2024 #27
It's not adult language in my view. BannonsLiver May 2024 #32
you went from "elementary school' too suggesting I speak like a "4-year-old" I am not sure which is worse, RAB910 May 2024 #34
"To each their own." BannonsLiver May 2024 #37
I have to confess, you are not really helping your side, using that approach RAB910 May 2024 #39
Righhhhht BannonsLiver May 2024 #40
there is a lot to unpack in your claims, but frankly I can't be bothered RAB910 May 2024 #41
Ah. sorry. BannonsLiver May 2024 #42
Poor abused students sarisataka May 2024 #12
so all a name-caller has to do is make an accusation and they are guilty? RAB910 May 2024 #13
The protesters put out video sarisataka May 2024 #18
link? RAB910 May 2024 #19
I did not bookmark the video sarisataka May 2024 #23
I was expecting a video, not more accusations RAB910 May 2024 #26
I am not a court of law sarisataka May 2024 #29
And just like that, working class "name-callers" are now enemies of the elite revolution. betsuni May 2024 #22
Per the article, there was more than one captive. RandySF May 2024 #25
Again, when did we change our rules to guilty until proven innocent? RAB910 May 2024 #28
If someone commits a violent act against me, I won't worry about their feelings, even before the trial. RandySF May 2024 #30
"alleged" RAB910 May 2024 #31
If it is proven that they were not allowed to leave for whatever reason the protesters give XorXor May 2024 #46
So you believe some of what the custodians say but not other things? yardwork May 2024 #36
K&R brer cat May 2024 #15
How is that Rebl2 May 2024 #33
Apparently if you insult your kidnappers that nullifies their guilt in kidnapping. BannonsLiver May 2024 #45
Somebody screwed themself FHRRK May 2024 #38
Do you think that Manhattan DA Bragg will press charges against them? MichMan May 2024 #43
I don't see why not FHRRK May 2024 #44

AZSkiffyGeek

(12,744 posts)
2. I guess that's what they meant by "globalize the intifada"
Tue May 7, 2024, 10:01 AM
May 2024

Kidnap other innocent people?

getagrip_already

(17,802 posts)
3. Its called kidnapping
Tue May 7, 2024, 10:06 AM
May 2024

And is a felony in all 50 states. If violence is a component, there are enhanced penalties.

betsuni

(29,076 posts)
5. Sounds typical, very aggressive and extremely offensive.
Tue May 7, 2024, 10:08 AM
May 2024

"In solidarity" revolutionary pseudos.

AZSkiffyGeek

(12,744 posts)
11. To be fair, they were probably hangry since mommy didn't pack their chickie nuggies
Tue May 7, 2024, 11:11 AM
May 2024

And the mean old adminstrators weren't bringing them humanitarian aid.

rollin74

(2,300 posts)
6. the occupiers responsible should be charged with kidnapping & false imprisonment
Tue May 7, 2024, 10:13 AM
May 2024

and do some prison time

Columbia let this shit go on for way too long. Glad there are lawsuits in the works.

JI7

(93,615 posts)
7. I hope they sue and get all the money these schools take in
Tue May 7, 2024, 10:18 AM
May 2024

and I'm not even talking about regular tuition.

JustAnotherGen

(38,054 posts)
8. Good for her
Tue May 7, 2024, 10:20 AM
May 2024

You don't hold people against your will - and if they have to escape -

Then you kidnapped them and/or are holding them hostage.

Don't fuck with black women - we are tired of America's shit.

RAB910

(4,030 posts)
9. "smarmy, sanctimonious, elitist ... occupier" Clearly their is aggression but it appears to be against the students
Tue May 7, 2024, 10:45 AM
May 2024
 

ripcord

(5,553 posts)
17. It seems calling someone names is really over the top
Tue May 7, 2024, 11:25 AM
May 2024

Something that horrible really puts the kidnapping into perspective.

RAB910

(4,030 posts)
20. We don't know this person from Adam, so the name calling is the only glimpse of their character
Tue May 7, 2024, 11:29 AM
May 2024

BannonsLiver

(20,593 posts)
35. "Yeah I know you were held against your will for a period of time..."
Tue May 7, 2024, 12:03 PM
May 2024

“And I know that had to be scary and unpleasant. But can you please refrain from calling the kidnappers names. They have feelings too. And families that care about them. Calling them names really is a step too far.”

This place never disappoints. 😂

RAB910

(4,030 posts)
21. Are you impressed by name-callers? When I read that nonsense, I lost respect for the person
Tue May 7, 2024, 11:30 AM
May 2024

but to each their own

BannonsLiver

(20,593 posts)
24. Impressed might be a little strong.
Tue May 7, 2024, 11:43 AM
May 2024

I am amused with the throwback to elementary school.

RAB910

(4,030 posts)
27. Name caller is a factual statement lacking an pejorative element
Tue May 7, 2024, 11:54 AM
May 2024

If you see it simply as a "elementary school" use, to each their own

RAB910

(4,030 posts)
34. you went from "elementary school' too suggesting I speak like a "4-year-old" I am not sure which is worse,
Tue May 7, 2024, 12:03 PM
May 2024

the hyperbole or the lack of civility

RAB910

(4,030 posts)
41. there is a lot to unpack in your claims, but frankly I can't be bothered
Tue May 7, 2024, 12:12 PM
May 2024

I will say, you completely lost me with the "pro Hamas" comment

sarisataka

(22,694 posts)
18. The protesters put out video
Tue May 7, 2024, 11:26 AM
May 2024

of them trying to keep workers from leaving, but hey- name calling...

sarisataka

(22,694 posts)
29. I am not a court of law
Tue May 7, 2024, 11:57 AM
May 2024

so I can judge a case based on merits as I see. Were I on a jury then I would give a presumption of innocence.

IMHO holding people against their will is much more serious than "name calling". YMMV

betsuni

(29,076 posts)
22. And just like that, working class "name-callers" are now enemies of the elite revolution.
Tue May 7, 2024, 11:30 AM
May 2024

Last edited Tue May 7, 2024, 12:12 PM - Edit history (1)

RandySF

(84,260 posts)
30. If someone commits a violent act against me, I won't worry about their feelings, even before the trial.
Tue May 7, 2024, 11:58 AM
May 2024

XorXor

(690 posts)
46. If it is proven that they were not allowed to leave for whatever reason the protesters give
Tue May 7, 2024, 12:29 PM
May 2024

Would you then agree the captives comments were understandable? Would you agree that the protesters were in the wrong and should be held accountable? This, of course, all hinges on it be demonstrated to be a factual account.

yardwork

(69,364 posts)
36. So you believe some of what the custodians say but not other things?
Tue May 7, 2024, 12:04 PM
May 2024

In my opinion there is poor strategy on many sides of this. I believe the overall purpose of the Oct 7 attack on Israel, and the well-funded and organized PR campaign that followed, is to create chaos and divide Americans. The ultimate goal is to get Trump back in the White House.

Americans could be handling this a lot better. We could all try harder not to escalate tensions.

BannonsLiver

(20,593 posts)
45. Apparently if you insult your kidnappers that nullifies their guilt in kidnapping.
Tue May 7, 2024, 12:18 PM
May 2024

According to the poster above. Strange logic, and I’m not sure kidnapping victims and law enforcement officials would agree.

FHRRK

(1,410 posts)
44. I don't see why not
Tue May 7, 2024, 12:16 PM
May 2024

Seems pretty much an open and shut case.

They have the right to protest, they don’t have the right to infringe on others rights.


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