Defense to Stormy: "What did you mean when you said 'Orange Turd'?"

[bigtree]

Stormy: "Oh, I absolutely meant Mr. Trump."

Now they're going over her tweet which says something about 'flushing the Orange Turd."

Why, but why would the defense raise this over and over? Stormy Daniel's opinion of Donald Trump isn't going to change the facts about the payments or the false filings.

Anyway, it's hilarious to my juvenile mind that the defense is actually insulting Trump on Stormy's behalf in front of the jury, especially after they made such a fuss about salacious testimony from the same witness.

More of this, please.

[bucolic_frolic]

1. They're trying to assert that she's biased

and perhaps making it all up.

[Raven123]

5. Sure. That's why TFG paid her and hid it.

Whatever concerns were had about her detailed testimony on direct, may well be mitigated by this line of questioning on cross.

[bucolic_frolic]

9. Correctement. /nt

[Johonny]

11. Yeah

The defense read the transcript of a tape of Stormy's lawyer complaining to Cohen that if he didn't pay soon the value of her story would be zero because the election would be over.

Yeah, it indicates she wanted the money. But at the cost of reinforcing heavily how election dependent her story was. I'm not sure highlighting the election part in cross was a good idea.

[wnylib]

20. Good point. Hope the prosecution emphasizes it.

[bigtree]

8. I think that's a loser

...If I was a juror, I'd be asking why Trump even invited her over.

I also saw a friend of hers speak out yesterday confirming that she'd called her that day about the encounter and all.

I'd guess there's plenty of proof, and I wonder if the defense is going to slip up and open the door for even more embellishing of the sexual encounter.

Moreover, it doesn't need to be proven that there was an encounter. Just the fact of trying to bury her story by falsifying records is enough to convict.

This is Pillow Guy legal defense strategy, at best. It's likely aimed at election voters more than the court.

[PatSeg]

23. And in the end, it doesn't matter

if she's biased or making it up. He is on trial for fraud, not for sex with an adult film star. This line of questioning is totally irrelevant.

As for being biased and hating Trump, Daniels probably didn't feel that way until after she was treated so poorly and even threatened by Trump and his henchmen. Anyone in their right mind would hate him.

[Wonder Why]

24. Nah! He probably told them he was running out of money to pay them and this is a warning to him to pay up.

[viva la]

33. Well, you know, most of us would be "biased"

against someone who maneuvers us into an awkward and awful sexual experience, then spends years calling us a liar and insulting us and insisting it never happened.

The defense counsel isn't going to persuade with the idea that people will get to know someone and have bad experiences with him and somehow have no opinion at all about him.
We're not "biased" against Trump. We just know who and what he is and we despise that.

[gab13by13]

2. Trump's only defense

is to discredit Stormy and Cohen, to tear them down.

Trump has no defense for the legal. heart, of the case.

[Meadowoak]

3. Stormy stole that from me, I ve been calling him an orange turd for 8 years.

[AZ8theist]

27. you shoulda copyrighted it.......

[AnotherMother4Peace]

31. "Orange Turd" "Smelvis" "Slobfather" "Donny 2 Scoops" "Diaper Don" & there's another one entered into the record.

[meow2u3]

59. Don't forget Von Shitzenpants

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

62. The Fraudfather

?1686368884

[TSExile]

63. I call him "diarrhea stain on humanity".

Nothing was funnier than Lawrence O'Donnell repeating "orange turd" over and over again while reading the court transcript. Yes, we're all still in 3rd grade.

[Kid Berwyn]

4. Make no mistake, America! Lock up the Orange Turd!!!

And all in his NAZI KKK Incel toad horde.

Maybe Dip’s lawyers aren’t so bad, after all.

[MOMFUDSKI]

6. The defense is acting like this is a trial

about Stormy. It is a FRAUD trial. Hope the jury sees this.

[unblock]

10. Right, it actually doesn't really matter if she made the whole thing up

It's enough that he felt the need to pay her to keep her story out of the media, and pay her off, then fraudulently disguise the payoff.

[onenote]

38. The defense strategy appears to be aimed at convincing jurors that Stormy extorted the payment from Trump

All it takes is one juror to feel that Trump may have been the "victim" of a lying, unscrupulous porn star for him to avoid conviction.

[Traurigkeit]

51. Jury has known and remembers this since the first Oath they took.

been on 2 juries for Criminal Court over the last 45 years in NYS.
One does not forget why you are there.

Only can say from reading the presented information, this team from NYS is buidling a wall of evidence with a strong foundation.

[Bayard]

57. Its the rape defendant's strategy---blame the victim.

[unblock]

7. This is a very Donnie-directed strategery.

In his mind, anyone who ever says anything bad about him is a politically-motivated Donnie-hater, allowing him to dismiss their statements and call into question their truthfulness.

He's hoping the jury operates the same way.

There's no room in his world for the idea that their story is the basis for why they hate him in the first place....

[Johnny2X2X]

12. I was going to post the same thing

The laywers need to attack her credibility, sure. But this is Trump making them campaign for him, making them fight for his reputation rather than for victory in this case.

Her credibility is a small part of this case. But the lawyers are taking direction from Trump to go further and further on this to help his ego and his campaign. They're not trying to defend him from the charges so much as defend his reputation, it's a legal mistake IMO.

[unblock]

14. Yeah. But I'll agree I'm loving that his defense of his reputation includes that "orange turd" means him lol

[Johnny2X2X]

16. These have been the very worst days of his entire life

This is a man with so fragile an ego that he requires standing ovations from his guests at Mar a lago whenver he enters a room. To sit here day after day hearing what the world really thinks of him is pure torture for him. And physically it's killing him too. He cannot sit still, he is not used to being in one spot for 9 hours at a time in an uncomfortbale chair in court. He needed a day of rest yesterday, this is really hurting him physically and it's going to go on for several more weeks.

[rampartc]

18. at least that part of the system is working. n/t

[niyad]

41. just an observation. .he is NOT sitting in one spot for 9 hours at a time.

There is a lunch break, at the very least.

[prodigitalson]

65. I bet he spends the entire lunch break taking a shit and screaming at people

[wnylib]

22. And so the trial becomes a campaign event for Trump.

It won't gain him votes beyond his MAGA base, but it can anger them to the point of feeling justified to act violently on his behalf during and after the election. He is sowing more seeds of sedition.

[UTUSN]

13. Bwah!

[Turbineguy]

15. There must be a guide for lawyers

with a chapter called: "Questions you should never ask"

[Wednesdays]

25. Well, IANAL, but

I think one of the first axioms, Trial Lawyer 101, is: never ask a question of a witness that you don't already know the answer to.

[rampartc]

17. trump's lawyers must be rinos or commies or something

the lawyers are probably decent people from good families who have bills to pay so they had to take this job or wait for another ambulance to chase. and

these lawyers by now know for sure that their client is an unmitigated asshole who does not have a defense, so

they are using stormy's testimony to insult their own client on their own behalf.








“Children must be taught how to think, not what to think.” ~ Margaret Mead

[mcar]

19. The CNN panel can't believe how badly

TFG's lawyers are fcking this up. It's obvious they are doing this only to keep him quiet.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

21. The defense lawyers are roasting their client. The Prosecution will offer re-direct questions.

That will surely chap TSF's hide.

Ms. Daniels is not the icing on this cake, but she is giving it all she has to make sure that the defendant squirms.

[TBF]

44. I think it's difficult given the client, they have to throw what they can at the wall & hope it sticks

in this case it's attack her credibility. If she's a maniac attacking him for $$$ he did whatever he could to pay her off so she'd shut up and leave him alone.

All he needs is one person on that jury to believe him (or to sympathize w/him).

Given how gross he is, and g-d knows how many women he's done this to, it's probably the best thing they could come up with.

[Jilly_in_VA]

56. Makes you wonder

where they graduated in their class in law school, where they went to law school in the first place, how many times they had to take the bar exam, and how in the name of all the gods they ever passed it!

[H2O Man]

26. Recommended.

It's all they have.

[DENVERPOPS]

60. In law books

Under No Facts?????? Throw shit......

[Martin68]

28. I imagine the defense wants to uee this to defend the Orange Turd when he engages in name calling.

[ForgedCrank]

29. To establish

potential malicious intent as a driver for her testimony.

[ancianita]

30. To establish reasonable doubt. Thing is, he paid her, hid it and broke the law no matter what she says.

Susan Necheles just ended her cross-examination of Daniels with a question she likely knew was going to be objected to.

“You never had an affair with President Trump but you realized you could earn money … and you’ve been doing that for 12 years?” she asked.

Prosecutors objected and Justice Juan Merchan sustained the objection before Daniels answered.

[ForgedCrank]

34. I didn't

say that was her motive. I said that is what his defense is attempting to establish

[niyad]

35. off topic, but. . .wasn't paying attention to the idiot attorneys' names

until I kept seeing "necklace" in the comments to KO's "Countdown" podcast, and then saw her name in print. Not how I would have thought it was pronounced, just seeing the spelling.

[bigtree]

37. that would seem to open the door for Stormy to further detail her account

...even though I'd imagine the prosecution wants to get back to the heart of the charges, I could see them allowing some more from Stormy about the encounter if it looks like the defense wants to suggest some conspiracy between her and Cohen.

[niyad]

32. These are the same attorneys who got "von schitzenpants" entered

into the official transcript?

Are we sure they are not Dem plants?

[Darwins_Retriever]

39. This may be the strategy of the defense

It is not illegal to have sex with a porn star.
It is not illegal to pay her money not to talk about it.
Now paying her money to have sex is illegal, but the prosecution doesn't claim that.
The legal issue is how he manipulated business funds to make and hide the payment. Now that is illegal.
And that is what he is being prosecuted.

The defense here is to keep the prosecution and jury concentrating on paying hush money. Remember that the money was not paid to hide an illegal act. And that is what the defense wants the jury to think. That TFG is not on trial for trying to hide having sex with a porn star. Even paying her hush money for covering up a legal act is not illegal. He is being tried for the way he manipulated business records to hide the money used.
If found guilty, I don's see jail time. Just a big fat fine.

[Funtatlaguy]

40. Paints face Orange. Wears diapers and smells like $hit. Got it?

[LetMyPeopleVote]

42. This made me smile

Link to tweet

[wolfie001]

43. If Donald the Orange Turd is so innocent....

....why the hell isn't his wife, Melanoma, standing by him????? That pretty much sums up the whole sh^tshow republican party in a nutshell.

[republianmushroom]

45. Agreeing with poster.

it's hilarious, except to Melania and the orange turd.

[AllaN01Bear]

46. hi bigtree. i belive she meant what she said .

[Uncle Joe]

47. That question should be on a Hallmark Card

Thanks for the thread bigtree

[Smackdown2019]

48. Back in 2013 or 2014

I was watching an episode of COPS, riding Miami PD, and one of their officers did one of those talk about me moments about the time he encountered a limousine parked on a street. He noticed some rocking activity and tapped on the back door window. The window rolled down and said it was Donald Trump with a woman.

When Trump announced he candidacy, i quickly remembered that episode and knew his moral character was at the level of a US President. My assumption was correct. So him doing this to Stormy, sounds like his MO.

[gohuskies]

49. I refer to him as Donny Toadstool

Defense attorneys ain't got much but slander to work with as a defense...

[Traurigkeit]

50. Looks like the Defense Lawyers would now rather be Prosecutors instead.

[spanone]

52. trmp has taken his 'really good' attorneys down to his level...

He is running the show. They are being obedient even if it makes them look bad.
How the fuck does trmp do this time after time after time?

He's only interested in retribution.

[0rganism]

53. "Presenting defense evidence exhibit #1a: 8 ways in which Donald Trump is not a turd!"

"This will surely impugn the witness' credibility."

[bluestarone]

54. She needs to use Fani willis's words

Hey ASSHOLES, i'm NOT on trial here TFG IS!

[twodogsbarking]

55. An expression of endearment I would say.

[oldsoftie]

58. "Orange shitgibbon", coined by a DUer, has always been MY favorite. nt

[Buns_of_Fire]

61. Did it take 10-15 flushes?

Damned low-flow toilets, anyway. Can't dispose of an orange slug, can't dispose of classified documents, what good are they anyway? Might as well poop on the streets like the carriage horses outside of Rump Tower.

[OverBurn]

64. Does anyone anywhere think Trump didn't sleep with her. Paying her off, they have to prove.

Even most of his brain dead cult morons probably believes he sleep with her and many others, they just don't care. It's pretty common knowledge he cheated on all his wife's.