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lees1975

(3,980 posts)
Fri May 10, 2024, 11:42 AM May 10

Here we go again: When will Democrats get their act together and win this election?

Last edited Fri May 10, 2024, 12:43 PM - Edit history (1)

https://signalpress.blogspot.com/2024/05/here-we-go-again-when-will-democrats.html

President Biden could not have picked a better candidate for the opposition if he'd been told he could choose the most beatable, unelectable, despicable Republican in the party. The man is under more than 80 federal and state indictments for multiple felonies of which a plethora of evidence proving his guilt has already been exposed and publicized. He's served one term in office that was, from every political, economic and social perspective, an unmitigated disaster. His inept handling of everything that came his way, and his bungling of a national crisis that had the potential to be the one thing that actually saved him, was the worst demonstration of political incompetence we've seen in the White House, including the Presidencies of John Tyler and James Buchanan.

Not only that, but the presumptive Republican nominee is a moral degenerate who cheered on an insurrection against the United States Constitution and government that he himself instigated and launched with a speech in front of the White House. He has denied and turned his back on the religious beliefs of his most loyal supporters and insulted their leaders by refusing to acknowledge any kind of Christian conversion experience. He's twice divorced, re-marrying the women with whom he had affairs leading to the breakup of his marriages, has openly degraded women by identifying them as nothing more than sex objects and on top of all of it, bribed his staff to pay off a porn star he bedded in order to keep that information from the voters.

So this should be a shoo-in, right? So why isn't it? Or, why is it not appearing that way?
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Here we go again: When will Democrats get their act together and win this election? (Original Post) lees1975 May 10 OP
The cost of housing, food and insurance are skyrocketing. So although mucifer May 10 #1
Pocketbook issues is a million percent correct. jimfields33 May 10 #11
yup and guess who they are blaming. mucifer May 10 #12
They always do. The president gets blamed for everything. Has been that way at least since the 1970's. jimfields33 May 10 #14
President Biden should be continuously hitting back against corporate greedflation --- DemocraticPatriot May 10 #16
Oh my god, mayonnaise! Sympthsical May 11 #37
I know. That's exactly why I put that example. jimfields33 May 11 #41
$9 Mayonnaise? FelineOverlord May 11 #39
Maybe they subsidize it since your wealthy area. jimfields33 May 11 #42
It is Sympthsical May 11 #43
Yep. And Alliepoo May 11 #51
Understandable Aepps22 May 10 #13
It was "supply chain problems" from Covid which allowed this corporate "greed-flation" to happen... DemocraticPatriot May 10 #17
Messaging is DEFINITELY a big issue. And so is reality. oldsoftie May 11 #24
Which is pretty much what Axelrod said..... brooklynite May 11 #40
Rightie talking points and also untrue... Demsrule86 May 11 #31
This election will be a shoe-in if every Democrat and those on the Left get out & vote for Biden. elocs May 10 #2
I agree. lees1975 May 10 #5
If you think they're doing nothing to win over voters NanaCat May 11 #32
That's some great messaging: onenote May 11 #33
Because people are idiots NoRethugFriends May 10 #3
Absolutely this and it blows my mind. FalloutShelter May 10 #4
I always find this sort of response...mystifying. NanaCat May 11 #36
Then there's the I want my little pony brigade who encourage others to vote "uncommitted" or 3rd party. Oopsie Daisy May 10 #10
And what do these stupid people think will happen to "their little pony" cause under the orange turd? lees1975 May 10 #21
Ah yes... but I believe that they care LESS about their causes and MORE about revenge * Oopsie Daisy May 11 #22
Hard to believe, isn't it, that there are that many Americans who are that racist and that ignorant? lees1975 May 10 #20
Another example of great messaging. onenote May 11 #34
We aren't going to win over anyone calling them racists, homophobic, lazy or dumb, even though it doc03 May 11 #48
I'll tell you why it's not appearing to be a shoe in Iwasthere May 10 #6
Exactly... Think. Again. May 10 #7
About once a quarter, I make a drive from NE Illinois to Madison, Wisconsin. lees1975 May 10 #15
Similar drive, different part of the country here. Dulcinea May 11 #53
The race will be won in the battleground states. If you dont think they're close, I cant help you oldsoftie May 11 #25
Please look at elections that have actually happened recently. onecaliberal May 10 #8
Thanks Joe Traildogbob May 10 #9
It was never a "shoo in" brooklynite May 10 #18
Exactly. How anyone would think it IS is beyond me & reality. oldsoftie May 11 #26
Good questions, "So this should be a shoo-in, right? So why isn't it? Or, why is it not appearing that way?" republianmushroom May 10 #19
Its not a shoo-in because of the elephants in the room we're not allowed to discuss. oldsoftie May 11 #27
Why are Democrats blamed? "Get their act together?" As if Republicans have their act together? betsuni May 11 #23
There needs to be a campaign about Trump that is so shocking that tens of millions more Americans Doodley May 11 #28
I along with most everyone else here can't understand how anyone would doc03 May 11 #29
I think you hit it on the head here. lees1975 May 11 #44
Yes we have won a streak of special elections but Trump wasn't on the ballot. When doc03 May 11 #47
Two reasons inflation and Tribetime May 11 #30
Idiocracy redqueen May 11 #35
Magahats don't understand why Trump isn't 40 points ahead in the polls Kaleva May 11 #38
Patience, it is WAY early. Remember when Dukakis had a double digit lead JCMach1 May 11 #45
We're running against a moron who wears make-up and shits a diaper Greybnk48 May 11 #46
Democrats...they're like herding cats but not as cute or entertaining. elocs May 11 #49
I usually say "we" not "they" when I refer to Democrats. lapucelle May 11 #50
Good for you. I've been voting exclusively for Democratic candidates now for over 50 years. elocs May 11 #55
... lapucelle May 11 #56
Biden will win, but honestly lots of people voted for him last time for reasons besides getting rid of Trump. Freethinker65 May 11 #52
Hasn't 3auld6phart May 11 #54

mucifer

(23,658 posts)
1. The cost of housing, food and insurance are skyrocketing. So although
Fri May 10, 2024, 11:46 AM
May 10

the unemployment numbers are great, people still think the economy was better under trump. Lots of people don't care that he's a traitor a spy, a revolutionary and a rapist. They don't care that inflation in the USA is MUCH better than in other countries .

They just want to be able to afford better housing food and insurance.

I REALLLLLY hope President Biden and his team can figure out the messaging.

jimfields33

(16,334 posts)
11. Pocketbook issues is a million percent correct.
Fri May 10, 2024, 12:27 PM
May 10

Seriously when people go to the store and their favorite mayonnaise is 9 dollars. They don’t like it. Example after example could be made.

jimfields33

(16,334 posts)
14. They always do. The president gets blamed for everything. Has been that way at least since the 1970's.
Fri May 10, 2024, 12:31 PM
May 10

President Carter was blamed for every single thing known to man. He wears a sweater and is criticized. He actually had it worse than every president since.

DemocraticPatriot

(4,568 posts)
16. President Biden should be continuously hitting back against corporate greedflation ---
Fri May 10, 2024, 02:33 PM
May 10

people are smart enough to realize that the President doesn't set prices--- mostly corporate Republicans do!---
and polling on the issue showed that his response had some resonance. He should keep hammering it now until the election...

Perhaps even call out specific companies with examples of their greed, as a continuous series of statements against "greedflation"...
I doubt it would be too hard to research such a list and use it!

Sympthsical

(9,217 posts)
37. Oh my god, mayonnaise!
Sat May 11, 2024, 11:57 AM
May 11

I typically make homemade for recipes, so we only very rarely buy it from the store. Maybe once a year.

We were at Safeway on Tuesday, and I thought about buying a jar of Miracle Whip for deviled eggs for a bbq this weekend. It was $8.49. I turned to my partner and said, "That can't be correct, can it?" It wasn't the big family-size giganto jar. It was just the regular sized jar.

It blew my mind. The last time I bought Miracle Whip, it was like $5.49.

jimfields33

(16,334 posts)
41. I know. That's exactly why I put that example.
Sat May 11, 2024, 12:14 PM
May 11

It’s definitely greed but unfortunately not everyone will blame corporations.

FelineOverlord

(3,617 posts)
39. $9 Mayonnaise?
Sat May 11, 2024, 12:10 PM
May 11

I live in one of the wealthiest congressional districts in the country and I don’t see any $9 mayonnaise.

Sympthsical

(9,217 posts)
43. It is
Sat May 11, 2024, 12:45 PM
May 11

I saw it on Tuesday at Safeway in NorCal. I just opened my Safeway app to double check, and they have it listed as $10.49 retail, but there's a coupon/club savings this week.

We were going to get a thing of ice cream for the weekend. $8. We passed.

It used to be $5, with sales sometimes hitting $3.49.

$8. These people are smoking something.

Alliepoo

(2,247 posts)
51. Yep. And
Sat May 11, 2024, 06:38 PM
May 11

Biden and the Dems are getting all of the blame. He got to do something fast and something big to address this.

Aepps22

(169 posts)
13. Understandable
Fri May 10, 2024, 12:29 PM
May 10

I agree but the reality is that prices aren’t coming down. If not for COVID prices would probably be higher than they are right now. It will take action by Congress to fix those problems but even then as long as we embrace supply and demand side economics corporations can and will continue to drive up prices and wages won’t keep up

DemocraticPatriot

(4,568 posts)
17. It was "supply chain problems" from Covid which allowed this corporate "greed-flation" to happen...
Fri May 10, 2024, 02:36 PM
May 10

so NO, I don't believe prices would be higher now if not for Covid...

oldsoftie

(12,716 posts)
24. Messaging is DEFINITELY a big issue. And so is reality.
Sat May 11, 2024, 07:27 AM
May 11

Biden & his team need to hammer home the fact that trump constantly LIES about the state of the economy. But also not ignore what people are seeing & feeling.

Demsrule86

(68,970 posts)
31. Rightie talking points and also untrue...
Sat May 11, 2024, 11:10 AM
May 11

Biden is a great president...when will our side stop spouting propaganda they invented? Not you of course...

elocs

(22,688 posts)
2. This election will be a shoe-in if every Democrat and those on the Left get out & vote for Biden.
Fri May 10, 2024, 11:48 AM
May 10

Anyone who honestly believes that America would be better under Trump is a moron anyways.

lees1975

(3,980 posts)
5. I agree.
Fri May 10, 2024, 12:02 PM
May 10

What are our party leaders doing to make this happen, along with getting the independent vote we need and squashing Jill Stein's attempt to get Trump elected again?

And why does it appear we continue to stumble and fall and lose step and can't grasp the narrative and take control of the time we get on the air?

NanaCat

(1,784 posts)
32. If you think they're doing nothing to win over voters
Sat May 11, 2024, 11:33 AM
May 11

Then it's because you've been had by a media that goes out of its way to downplay what Democrats are doing to win them. It's tough to get your message out there when the media (including social media) expends so much effort silencing one side and giving the other free reign.

Like showing TSF's empty podium the entire time Hillary was giving a speech at that very moment.

So maybe consider that it's not the Democrats who are the problem. It's the problem of a traitorous media, and the people gullible enough to think they're providing what news we need to know.

NanaCat

(1,784 posts)
36. I always find this sort of response...mystifying.
Sat May 11, 2024, 11:55 AM
May 11

How can any of this be surprising in the least to anyone at all aware of reality? Do you think these bigots somehow poofed into existence from an alternate universe in 2016?

The stupid and hateful people of today are the same people who were calling Obama a monkey and Michelle a man in drag.

They're the direct descendants of the people who refused to serve my Mum and her co-workers at a restaurant in 1961 Michigan because their party was interracial.

They're the direct descendants of the people who were screaming at that lovely young woman daring to get a decent education in Little Rock, 1957.

They're the direct descendants of people who arrested Rosa Parks and Claudette Colvin before her, and Irene Morgan even before them, for refusing to yield a bus seat to a white person.

They're the direct descendants of people who marched wearing KKK robes in states North and South during the 1920s.

They're the people who enslaved people in the South, and profited from slavery in the North in millions of ways.

How can anyone think this is, or even could be, something new or different, when it's what America has been about for all of its history? Good grief, it's almost criminal to be so very blind to how commonplace bigots and bigotry have always been in the US.

Oopsie Daisy

(2,969 posts)
10. Then there's the I want my little pony brigade who encourage others to vote "uncommitted" or 3rd party.
Fri May 10, 2024, 12:26 PM
May 10

Those who do such things are no friends of Democrats or Biden's agenda. Kneecapping and punishing Democrats only benefits the GOP.

lees1975

(3,980 posts)
21. And what do these stupid people think will happen to "their little pony" cause under the orange turd?
Fri May 10, 2024, 09:46 PM
May 10

Do they not realize that the orange turd is their worst enemy? That they get less than nothing if he is elected?

Oopsie Daisy

(2,969 posts)
22. Ah yes... but I believe that they care LESS about their causes and MORE about revenge *
Sat May 11, 2024, 06:21 AM
May 11

* and that my friend is the TRUE indicator of their character.

lees1975

(3,980 posts)
20. Hard to believe, isn't it, that there are that many Americans who are that racist and that ignorant?
Fri May 10, 2024, 09:43 PM
May 10

Public education, take a bow.

onenote

(42,934 posts)
34. Another example of great messaging.
Sat May 11, 2024, 11:38 AM
May 11

Winning over hearts and minds — and votes — through name-calling

doc03

(35,512 posts)
48. We aren't going to win over anyone calling them racists, homophobic, lazy or dumb, even though it
Sat May 11, 2024, 05:41 PM
May 11

may be true.

Iwasthere

(3,188 posts)
6. I'll tell you why it's not appearing to be a shoe in
Fri May 10, 2024, 12:02 PM
May 10

The media is complicit, Period. THEY are saying it's a horse race. Their polls are BS. There's no way that it's close in a normal world. I refuse to believe their numbers. Have you ever seen the crowd size when the complicit media have his rally on the tube. They only show those bored idiots behind him, and they're paid! Look at his cult gathering at his hearing, there is only one or two people there. THERE NUMBERS ARE BULLSHIT.

Think. Again.

(9,181 posts)
7. Exactly...
Fri May 10, 2024, 12:11 PM
May 10

...the for-profit media shows up for work each day for one reason; shareholder profit.

Whatever it takes to get viewers to look at advertisements is what they will do, and only what they will do.

lees1975

(3,980 posts)
15. About once a quarter, I make a drive from NE Illinois to Madison, Wisconsin.
Fri May 10, 2024, 02:17 PM
May 10

Prior to the 2020 election, there were lots of trump banners and signs along the route in the rural areas, not so many for Biden. I made that same trip 2 weeks ago and either Trump's campaign can't afford signs and banners, or a lot of people aren't enthusiastic enough to put them out. There were very few compared to last time, as was the case when I was over in Western Michigan last week. Enthusiasm for the orange turd is definitely down.

The Biden campaign is using media advertising in both places, no Trump ads at all. So that's a good sign as far as I am concerned.

Dulcinea

(6,722 posts)
53. Similar drive, different part of the country here.
Sat May 11, 2024, 06:49 PM
May 11

I drive from my home in metro Atlanta to Huntsville, AL, where my daughter goes to college. I pass through MTG's district, GA-14. I saw the same thing--a lot fewer Trump signs & banners in a ruby red district. Less Trump propaganda in northern Alabama, too.

oldsoftie

(12,716 posts)
25. The race will be won in the battleground states. If you dont think they're close, I cant help you
Sat May 11, 2024, 07:31 AM
May 11

Show me ONE battleground state that you think Biden is far ahead of trump. NATIONAL polls are meaningless since the national vote wont win the election.
Its frustrating to see people constantly dismiss the ability of trump to win this election & the REASONS why thats possible.

onecaliberal

(33,073 posts)
8. Please look at elections that have actually happened recently.
Fri May 10, 2024, 12:18 PM
May 10

The last one had the dem winning by 30+ percentage points. It was predicted they would win by 9.
The propaganda is outrageous. It is everywhere.

Traildogbob

(8,958 posts)
9. Thanks Joe
Fri May 10, 2024, 12:24 PM
May 10

For stuffing your pockets with Food, Insurance and Housing profits. And which of these two are a scamming life long real estate crook? Which one is getting tons of cash from ALL insurance billionaires?
Who just said they would eliminate ALL restrictions on Fossil fuel for a Billion dollar “donation” at Mardi Lardo billionaires party this week. Watch gas be $6:00 and up August September and November. Which will quickly refund that billion to the off shores of the Gas Heads that give Trump the Donation.
These rising costs are all because of billionaires stuffing pockets because the President is not allowed to set prices for private corporations.
And who will benefit with these price scams getting their chosen candidate elected?
And I am getting sick of the stupid. I am about to say fuck it all, I can survive on bugs. And sit and take pleasure of these idiots suffering under Trump, like a Bass laying on a Walmart Parking lot in July.
Fucking stupid sucking on the bull shit Faucet.
Watched Daily Show last night, and the Fox clips of the Nazi Party leaders raging at Biden for holding back bombs to BiBi, as they rant about their love of Jews. Lead by Lindsay, I love war, sending OTHER kids.
Bet every one of them had on Khakis.
And Hannity with rage face screaming about not giving BiBi every bomb he can drop, while proudly wearing our, (or what use to be our) flag on his lapel.
Until we can either match or totally hammer Fox News about shoveling 24/7 bullshit, our messaging will never compete.
Sorry to rant but I am close to saying fuck it all. The brain worms are as packed in MAGA Skulls as Tent
Catapillers. Tear into a web on a tree limb, you will see what I mean.
And we all watch the red states being decimated with raging storms. As Trump says this week at his Fossil party, he will end everything Climate help related.
One of the first interviews after a couple lost everything to a tornado last week, was a MAGA wearing a trump hat.
Paper towels would be coming soon, except they can thank God they will get help from this Administration.
Messaging. 🤬🤬🤬 It’s handed to us on a silver platter. But the messaging Gods own all the media.

oldsoftie

(12,716 posts)
26. Exactly. How anyone would think it IS is beyond me & reality.
Sat May 11, 2024, 07:34 AM
May 11

People keep looking at national polls instead of battleground state polls.

republianmushroom

(14,071 posts)
19. Good questions, "So this should be a shoo-in, right? So why isn't it? Or, why is it not appearing that way?"
Fri May 10, 2024, 06:23 PM
May 10

oldsoftie

(12,716 posts)
27. Its not a shoo-in because of the elephants in the room we're not allowed to discuss.
Sat May 11, 2024, 07:42 AM
May 11

Other than that, for reasons that we have some chance to turn around. Right now, IMO, abortion, gas prices & the border mess are the 3 biggest issues. Just what can Biden do about gas prices when we're already producing record oil? I dont know. He certainly needs to TRY to use EOs on the border & let the COURT tell him no.
Can the abortion rights voters, who are PISSED OFF, override the others? I hope so.

betsuni

(25,920 posts)
23. Why are Democrats blamed? "Get their act together?" As if Republicans have their act together?
Sat May 11, 2024, 06:40 AM
May 11

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Doodley

(9,206 posts)
28. There needs to be a campaign about Trump that is so shocking that tens of millions more Americans
Sat May 11, 2024, 07:46 AM
May 11

will get the message that if Trump wins, it is the end of America as we know it. Use Trump's own words about being a dictator, about building concentration camps, about persecuting opponents with images of Nazi Germany.

doc03

(35,512 posts)
29. I along with most everyone else here can't understand how anyone would
Sat May 11, 2024, 10:12 AM
May 11

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even consider voting for Trump. Everyone thought AG Garland was our savior, he has totally failed.
Then we heard the 14th Amendment would stop him, that failed. Now everyone is hoping Trump will be
found guilty in NY. There is a chance of about 1 in 12 that will happen. Another great hope was the SOTU
speech, Biden got a bump out of that but is still tied or behind in the battleground states. Just yesterday
I read an editorial that said Biden is the most unpopular president in the last 70 years, how can that be?
Every month we hear, "It is early these polls don't matter". Well, those months keep passing by and eventually
they will matter. I don't know what will work but something in the campaign strategy needs to change.

lees1975

(3,980 posts)
44. I think you hit it on the head here.
Sat May 11, 2024, 12:50 PM
May 11

We're less than six months out. Campaign strategy appears to be lost somewhere between "the polls weren't right about Obama at this same time" and
what's the problem?"

Too much of the same old same old. Yes, Democrats have won a long streak of elections, and continue to do so, and most of those defy the polling data. But somewhere along the line, every American who knows another Trump term would be a disaster has to get out and make things move. And somehow, the Biden campaign and the DNC have to break into the news cycle that is nothing more than 24 hours of what Trump just did. What he said on the way into and out of the courtroom, when he got a hangnail, when he fell asleep, its ridiculous. And if Democrats aren't deliberately trying to make sensational news, then we're going to lose this.

doc03

(35,512 posts)
47. Yes we have won a streak of special elections but Trump wasn't on the ballot. When
Sat May 11, 2024, 05:34 PM
May 11

he is on the ballot himself doesn't he consistently outperform the polls? It seems like they don't stick with one message
long enough to even see if it works before going off in another direction.

Tribetime

(4,766 posts)
30. Two reasons inflation and
Sat May 11, 2024, 10:37 AM
May 11

You cannot deny that Biden does not look like he did 4 years ago.His voice is weaker and independence look at that

redqueen

(115,112 posts)
35. Idiocracy
Sat May 11, 2024, 11:47 AM
May 11

They blame Biden for everything - and many people really are just lost to extremism and conspiracy theories.

Some blame it on messaging. I can't help but wonder if cognitive sequelae from covid may play a part as well.

https://www.vox.com/policy/23710432/independents-abortion-democrats-midterms-2024-election-voters

Kaleva

(36,469 posts)
38. Magahats don't understand why Trump isn't 40 points ahead in the polls
Sat May 11, 2024, 12:00 PM
May 11

They think half the country is stupid as fuck and they ain't talking about themselves

Elitists have deluded themselves into thinking that if only everyone else was as smart as they were, their preferred candidate would win in a landslide .

JCMach1

(27,595 posts)
45. Patience, it is WAY early. Remember when Dukakis had a double digit lead
Sat May 11, 2024, 01:08 PM
May 11

In 1988.

He was crushing it, but the campaign couldn't follow through and win.

Greybnk48

(10,187 posts)
46. We're running against a moron who wears make-up and shits a diaper
Sat May 11, 2024, 01:11 PM
May 11

and overturned Roe with his hand-picked crooked kangaroo Supreme Court that has ZERO cred now, and we STILL have to hear the "Dems are blowing it" bullshit?

If that's really true, there's no hope for this country.

elocs

(22,688 posts)
49. Democrats...they're like herding cats but not as cute or entertaining.
Sat May 11, 2024, 06:01 PM
May 11

Too many consider themselves too righteous and noble to lower themselves to vote for the perceived lesser of 2 evils, hence the votes for 3rd party candidates. But our presidential elections are binary and the next president will either be Biden or Trump. That's it, and if you're on the Left and don't vote for Biden you only help Trump and there's no point in pretending otherwise.

elocs

(22,688 posts)
55. Good for you. I've been voting exclusively for Democratic candidates now for over 50 years.
Sat May 11, 2024, 07:23 PM
May 11

How do you compare? Yet you want to quibble over a "we" or a "they". How clever.

Freethinker65

(10,134 posts)
52. Biden will win, but honestly lots of people voted for him last time for reasons besides getting rid of Trump.
Sat May 11, 2024, 06:48 PM
May 11

And those voters are less than satisfied with policy issues that mean a lot to them, be it the economy (inflation, income inequality), social justice, minority rights, voting rights, climate and other environmental issues, and now the US's money and weapons being used to wage a war in Gaza against both Hamas (terrorists) and innocent Palestinians, etc.

Now those voters are stuck with the same choice as last time. They don't honestly want to return power to Trump, but felt Biden would be a placeholder to return to stability and more normalcy. Biden achieved that (and I believe actually exceeded expectations), which is great, but many assumed Biden would be a one term President and pass the torch to a younger generation of leaders. Many voters are frustrated with the slow growth of progress and believe it would move faster with a different leader.


3auld6phart

(1,064 posts)
54. Hasn't
Sat May 11, 2024, 07:06 PM
May 11

Been elected yet. Having no ax to grind in your elections . I really hope that dangerous moron has left this vale of tears before Nov.oh by the way this od fart turned 88 today.I see that asshole So called Supreme Cortjustice doesn’t like Washington. Calls it dirty, like he doesn’t add to the stench, if that is the case just bugger off and take your skank and some other Justices with you
Rant is over. VOTE BLUE.

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