An Unusually Aggressive Grand Jury in Arizona

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An Unusually Aggressive Grand Jury in Arizona

May 11, 2024 at 11:56 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 14 Comments

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/10/inside-arizona-grand-jury-trump-indictment-00157447

"SNIP.........

“The Arizona grand jury that recently indicted 18 people for their roles in former President Donald Trump’s scheme to subvert the 2020 election cast a far wider net than state prosecutors had publicly foreshadowed,” Politico reports.

“The panel of 16 Arizonans displayed unusual independence from the prosecutors supervising the investigation.”

“The grand jury took aggressive steps to haul in witnesses and even brought charges against some who had been told by prosecutors they were not under investigation.”

..........SNIP"

[AllaN01Bear]

1. good , but their leader bobs and weaves.

[Barry Markson]

2. That's a result of the great numbers of folks who have fled the hellhole that California is becoming, moved to Arizona

And Arizona now has enough voters to overcome the Repuliscum/Mormon cabal that has been controlling this state for decades.

Make California Dreaming Again!

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[AZ8theist]

4. California is a "hellhole"??

[chowder66]

5. I didn't know I lived in a hellhole and I've been here 35 years!!

[4lbs]

19. Me too. Although, I came here to SoCal in 1973. So been here for more than 50 years.

I guess "hellhole" is a subjective term, since which state did Hilary win by 30 points in 2016 and Biden by 29 points in 2020?

California.

Which state has every one of it's top officials be Democrats and has been for almost a decade?

California. Governor, Lt. Governor, Attorney General, Secretary of State, Insurance Commissioner, State Superintendent of Instruction/Education, and State Controller.

Governor Gavin Newsom (formerly Jerry Brown)
Lt. Governor Eleni Kounalakis (formerly Joe Bustamante)
Attorney General Rob Bonta (formerly current VP Kamala Harris)
Secretary of State Shirley Weber (formerly Alex Padilla and Debra Bowen)
Insurance Commissioner Ricardo Lara (formerly Dave Jones)
State Superintendent Tony Thurmond (formerly Tom Torlakson)
State Controller Malia Cohen (formerly Betty Yee)

Which state has a supermajority (about 70% of the state assembly) be Democrats?

California.

Which state can pass laws and the MAGAts and Republicans can't do a damn thing about it?

California.

Which state has it's own MediCare-type healthcare-for-all system (called Medi-Cal) ?

California

Which state has fully legalized pot?

California

Which state has a $16/hr minimum wage ($20/hr for certain workers)?

California. About double the national average.


Yes, if that is a "hellhole", then give me MORE of that.

[chowder66]

20. I will concede that it is expensive and that worries me but beyond that

it's a fantastic state.

[4lbs]

22. I think the "expensive" part results from the double-the-national-average state minimum wage.

This causes in turn, higher taxes and thus higher prices for many things.

However, I would rather have much higher minimum wages and the indirectly resulting higher "prices", than the opposite.

The only people I've seen or encountered really grousing about it in my area are older, "white" people, who usually turn out to be
umm... right-wing republicans. So, I just nod along as they rant. I don't say much in response, just let them talk and get their "frustrations" out. They frequently quote or remark about things they've heard or seen on Faux News. That often confirms my suspicions about their political leanings. Meanwhile, I am displaying my fast food work uniform, and talk about various employment and jobs, and they seem to be oblivious to the fact that I am making the same high wages that they are complaining about.

[NanaCat]

23. OFFS

The minimum wage has bloody bugger all to do with how expensive California is.

San Francisco has been expensive since the Gold Rush days. Southern California has been expensive since the film industry took off. And the same is true for many of the coastal areas--they're expensive, and have been for ages now.

It's expensive in some parts of the state because there are more people choosing to live in those areas than there is real estate to house them all.

That's it.

Sheesh. I'm a moron about finance, and even I know why CA has been so bloody expensive for over 150 years in SF, and over 100 years now in LA.

[Barry Markson]

7. 1/3 of the full time residents in our neighborhood are California ex-pats

1/3 are Arizona Natives (in AZ 20 years is considered "native born&quot and the rest of us are snowbirds, mostly Minnesota, Dakotas Cunucks and Illinois.
I only know what the ex-pats tell me, I haven't set foot in California since 1972.
It's starting to warm up here, we're heading back to our place in the Brainard Lakes area Mn. next week.

The Arizona Governor, Attorney General, and secretary of state are Democrats, 1 US senator is a Democrat the other one caucuses with the Democrats, and 3 of nine house reps are Democrats. The Mayor of Phoenix and the majority of the city council are Democrats. When we 1st bought a winter home here 30 years ago that would have been unheard of, you couldn't find a Democrat.

[AZ8theist]

10. I've resided in Arizona for over 30 years and DO NOT consider myself "native born"...

I've also visited California hundreds of times. It is a beautiful state. I love the cities as well as the countryside.
Not many states can offer as much as Cali has to offer.
The traffic in the metro areas sucks, yeah, and housing prices are ridiculous, but calling it a "hellhole" is just plain stupid.

People leave states for all kinds of reasons: Jobs, taxes, cost of living, weather, families, etc.
39 million residents can't ALL be wrong. Some disgruntled ex-pats opinions are just that: opinions.

[Barry Markson]

11. That's a bit of a joke.

You know,
Ask someone in Minnesota where they're from and they'll tell you which town.

Ask someone in Arizona where they're from and they'll tell you which State.


As for "39 million residents can't ALL be wrong", that just may be the bulk of the problem and the same is happening to the Metro Phoenix area, in case you haven't noticed.

[Orrex]

12. You could have gone with "pee-pee soaked heck hole."

[BuddhaGirl]

15. CA born, raised

CA born, raised and still residing here. CA is the best!

At least I don't have to flee where I live to escape the heat

[Barry Markson]

16. I flee 2 states

Minnesota, where I was born 76 years ago, in the winter and Arizona in the summer.

I like the variety.

[OMGWTF]

6. I spend a third of the year in Palm Springs and think it's a fking paradise.

I love California!

[John Shaft]

8. Right wing trope about California?

for real?

Geez.

[Barry Markson]

9. And how do your California ex-pat neighbors in Arizona explain why they moved here?

Maybe we just got an odd batch of disgruntled ones here in North Scottsdale.

It's possible I guess.

[NanaCat]

24. Explain all the Arizonans who have moved to California

Over the past 100 years. That hasn't been an insignificant number, you know.

People move for all kinds of reasons. That doesn't make where they're from or where they move to sh*tholes.

[Kali]

13. actual native born here (4th gen)

most of the California transplants that say things like that are wealthy repukes that are infesting the state due to not wanting to pay CA taxes, they don't vote Dem here either.

[not fooled]

21. Good. Can't wait until ex-Californians

clean up the slimy cesspool of corruption and insider self-dealing that is the dingy, drab armpit Yuma. Has been under venal, mendacious LDS control since the white settlers stole the land from the natives. Also, nearby Picacho Peak was the site of the westernmost battle of the Civil War, and from what I've heard many former Confederates stayed and settled the region, bringing with them that mindset of control by a cadre of wealthy families which still prevails there. I got out after finding out what it was like.

[REPUguy]

26. Hellhole?

Everyone that I know that has left this "hellhole" was a right-winger. good riddance , the air is getting better every day.

[Barry Markson]

27. I'm happy for you.

Enjoy.

[Wuddles440]

29. "Hellhole"....

that would be OHIO!!! California is a paradise compared to the Cesspool of the Midwest (although Indiana and Iowa have been giving it serious competition for this dubious distinction).

[bucolic_frolic]

3. Grand juries know crime when they see it

Justice is irregular. Prosecutors come and go and filter their own decisions, judges vary by jurisdiction, appellate courts filter decisions yet again. Why can't grand juries be more activist? Is it written somewhere?

[FHRRK]

14. lol, another one spouting RW ignorance

I was born in AZ, graduated from college and moved to CA.

Seems like you are headed back to Brainerd doncha know! Why is that?

Could it be it is too fucking hot to do anything outside for the next 4 months?

That’s it doncha know!

Those neighbors you have in North Scottsdale from CA, very likely Repukes who cleared a million on the CA home sale and moved to the whiteness of North Scottsdale.

So believe what you want but if you haven’t visited a place in 50 years, usually best not to comment.

[Barry Markson]

17. Seems like you are headed back to Brainerd doncha know! Why is that?

Ever been to Brainard in the winter?

It's too fucking cold to do anything outside for 6 months.

[FHRRK]

18. Only summer

With that, it is 70 and sunny here is SoCal, like that most of the year.
Again, those I know going to AZ and TX., they are republicans.

Now they are not the batshit crazy racist Repukes, they go to Idaho.

We look at it as a win win.

[NanaCat]

25. Oh good grief

I was born in a northern tier state, and lived in another as well.

Winter doesn't shut down anything completely up there anymore than hurricane season shuts down anything in the south for months on end. You get some bad weather here and there in either, but, overall, you aren't stuck in your home all season long. Nobody would be living there if that were the case.

You now choose to move to Arizona for the winter because you dislike the cold, for whatever reason, and more power to you if that's what you prefer. However, you didn't move there because Brainerd had 'nothing to do' that time of year. Because that's just an outright lie, and everyone who has lived up north knows it's an outright lie--and a silly one to boot.

[Think. Again.]

28. My question is...

...why were prosecutors overlooking criminals that even untrained grand jury members could see needed to be indicted?