Any campus protests for this?

[Mountainguy]

Link to tweet

[Diraven]

1. We didn't supply the weapons for that

So no

[Mountainguy]

2. So they will be also chanting to de-vest from Iran and Russia then?

[Celerity]

13. The US is sanctioning the hell out of both, so your attempt at rebuttal falls flat.

[Mountainguy]

16. And China

Who funds Iran, Guess the protestors will be deleting that tiktok app?

[Celerity]

17. China sells the US so much that it would be almost impossible to remove all their imports from Americans' lives.

It certainly cannot be done voluntarily (meaning Americans across the board will not remove all Chinese products from their lives on their own initiatives).

[Mountainguy]

18. So the protestors are worried about supply in the economy

And won't call to divestment in China for of its support of hamas bombs.

I'm sure that's the reason.

[Celerity]

25. China is not sending billions in military to Israel as Israel destroys Gaza and kills tens of thousands of civilians.

China never claimed to be one of the world's true democracies and a top US ally, Israel (and many in the US) claims both.



https://www.cfr.org/article/us-aid-israel-four-charts

[Mountainguy]

38. No, but they send billions to Iran

who funds Hamas who dropped this bomb, given to them by Iran, into a residential Israeli neighborhood.

But thank you for pointing out that the only county antisemite protestors are interested in protesting is Israel.

[Celerity]

43. The protesters are not automatically 'antisemitic' just because they protest against the massively disproportionate

killing of Palestinians (versus Israelis) going on in Gaza, Israel proper, and the West Bank combined, a disproportionate number that has been going on since 1948.

That disporportinate killing has been funded and aided to a significant degree by the US, as the charts and simple historical facts on the ground show. I would extend that to the present new funding, minus the small amount blocked by Biden a few days ago, an act which is now causing spasms of outrage from the RW Rethugs and the 'Israel can do whatever it wishes and the US has to just accept that' crowd.

I absolutely, without hestation, condemn the antisemitic ones, but my condemnation certainly does not extend to all protesters.

[Mountainguy]

46. If you are standing in a group with antisemites

then that's what you are too.

That's like saying some people in Charlottesville were just statue enthusiasts.

[Celerity]

47. Chalk and cheese, as the very nature of 'Unite The Right' was fascist and racist in all its projections. You absolutely

cannot say the same in regards to the protesting of Israel's disproportionately deadly actions (not to mention the ultra RW settlers' illegal land grabs, which are supported militarily and aspirationally as OFFICIAL STATE POLICY) in Gaza and the West Bank, especially as Netanyahu and so much of his ultra RW base are they themselves fascist and racist (not to mention homophobic and misogynistic).

[Think. Again.]

58. (Thank you for your patience and fortitude)

[Celerity]

62. yw

[Mountainguy]

73. Have ypu listened to what Jews on these campuses are saying

Threats and harassment from the protestors. Scared to go to their school and job.

That is antisemitism

[marble falls]

70. Israel funded Hama for decades ...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218942350

While we US taxpayers were funding Israel to fight Hamas. While Jewish Americans were donating billions to defend Israel from Hamas.

It doesn't make a difference who sold the bombs. It's time to stop bombing and making bombs.

If Israel can target individuals in Iran and kill them, they can get the location of Hamas leadership and get them without turning Gaza into a wasteland. Israel drove Hezbola back in Lebanon without desertifying Lebanon.

[Mountainguy]

74. Ive addressed fhay article multiple times in that thread and others.

The definition of "propped up" in the article is treating Gazans as humans. If you aren't in favor of that then say so.

[marble falls]

75. Well as long as you've got it covered you don't need my input. Have a pleasant Mother's Day..

[Voltaire2]

28. What? China doesn't fund Iran.

Iran funds itself.

[Mountainguy]

40. They just print money?

Who do you think is buying that oil they get their money from. Who's also selling them arms?

China.

[Voltaire2]

89. Trade is not 'funding' it is an exchange of commodities.

China, UAE, India, Turkey and Germany are the top five trading partners for Iran. None of them are 'funding Iran', they are exchanging commodities. There really is a difference.

[RandomNumbers]

19. Perhaps we should take a close look at their alliances.

e.g. BRICS. And certain capital flows.

[Celerity]

22. Good luck getting Brasil, India, and China under the whip hand of the US. Also, we in the EU (a combined larger economy

than the US) are not going to march in utter lock-step with the US either. On balance we are great allies of each other (as I am also a US citizen, and also a UK citizen, 'we' to me means the US, the EU, and now (post Brexit) the UK).

But.................

The world is complicated, and yes, the US has the world's greatest (in human history) military, but it does not have unilateral control to just dictate to the planet. It just does not work like that, as much as some (not saying you) wish it would.

[RandomNumbers]

24. There is a huge cash flow to BRICS from the US; supported by US policy.

That is what I am referring to. Perhaps we should defund a bit of that.

[Celerity]

27. So a multilateral trade war? That will do wonders for Biden's re-election chances.

[RandomNumbers]

33. Nope not talking about trade. Or anything that should be raised in an election year.

But anyway, the point is YES, there are things the U.S. government could defund ( "de-vest" ) which by doing so, could reduce the funding of BRICS to support terrorism and anti-US action. (Even if it is trade related, which is a tough one in any year. But I am talking about something else, which if I get direct about, I think will not be appreciated on this site. It's really quite ironic.)

[Celerity]

36. What specifcally non-trade items should be cut? Trade dwarfs all else in terms of cash-flows to Brasil, India, & China.

[RandomNumbers]

44. Consider all the ways money flows from the US to other countries.

Trade is not all there is. And it is not true that in all instances the trade "dwarfs" all else in cash flows to those countries. (Slightly exceeds perhaps, but not "dwarfs" ). And does it really matter, if the smaller one is a policy that really should be addressed anyway?

I need to move on from this topic. I guess the takeaway should be - as it usually is with all things IP - is that things are rarely as simple as they seem.

[yardwork]

54. So as I reflect on this...

The pro-Palestinian protesters want the U.S. to stop helping Israel with weapons, right?

So, in a way, the protesters ARE helping Hamas attack this city in Israel They are trying to prevent Israel from protecting itself.

[Oopsie Daisy]

60. Wow. Yes, you make a good point.

[betsuni]

79. Good point.

[Cha]

80. And that's Not going to Happen.. Rec TY!

[yardwork]

82. Thanks, Cha!

[Cha]

88. You're So Welcome, yardwork!

[Eko]

3. Who the fuck has heard of Ashkelon?

Must of missed that on CNN. How many Americans do you think have ever heard of that place?

[Mountainguy]

4. Is that some weird flex?

[Eko]

5. No, how many Americans do you think have even heard of that place?

[Mountainguy]

6. I'm not sure why that matters.

People being stupid doesn't change that Hamas rockets are falling on it.

[Eko]

7. How do you expect people to care about something they have never heard about?

[wnylib]

12. Precisely. So, since you have such limited knowledge of the region and its history,

why have you taken a stand against a nation there without knowing the regional history and complex issues involved?

[betsuni]

71. Excellent question.

[Eko]

84. What stand have I taken?

[Mountainguy]

15. Like Rafah?

[Mossfern]

20. Most people have access to Google

intelligent ones usually research things that they're unfamiliar with.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Ashkelon#cobssid=s

[RandomNumbers]

21. So, people protesting US actions with regards to Gaza, have NO KNOWLEDGE

of the basic facts of the ongoing attacks on Israel by the government of Gaza? (also known as Hamas)

[yardwork]

39. I know, right?

Downthread another vocal anti-Israel DUer appears to think that Ashkelon is in Ukraine.

I am at a loss for words.

[yardwork]

37. Ashkelon is in Israel.

[betsuni]

14. +1

[DFW]

8. Well, since a French friend of mine grew up there until he was 12, I have heard plenty about it.

For decades now, it has been a favorite target of rockets sent out of Gaza because it was so close. I heard the name of the city way before I knew the guy in Paris. It was in the news in the USA a lot for a while. Low tech rockets have a better chance when their target is next door.

My friend who is originally from there said that when he was growing up, he and his friends used to bicycle across to Gaza and people from Gaza used to bicycle over to Ashkelon. Both for shopping and social visits. No one at the time thought much of it. Apparently a pretty loose border. Nothing a few rockets sent eastward couldn't cure, you understand.

[wnylib]

10. I've heard of it. So has anyone who pays attention

to locations in the region or who has learned anything about the region's history. Really, people who take a stand on issues there should take the trouble to learn something about the region.

But, does your indifference mean that it's ok for Israeli civilians to be hit by explosives, especially if it's in a location that you know nothing about?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkelon

[AloeVera]

42. I knew that it was the last town from which Palestinians were expelled from.

They were all expelled to Gaza. It used to be the town of al-Majdal, all Muslim and Christian. It was allocated to the Palestinians under the UN partition plan. Today it is in Israel and all Palestinians are gone.

Hitting civilians with rockets or bombs is never ok, even when it is nearby military positions, army bases, or "Hamas hiding" nearby. I do think that goes both ways.

[yardwork]

23. So it doesn't matter?

I really don't get your point.

[Eko]

85. Why arent you protesting about the latest attack in the village of Darey-dey?

Where 37 civilians – including thirteen children aged 15 to 17 and four women - were killed and several others were injured?

[Eko]

87. Of course I never said that did I.

[CincyDem]

29. At least one. About 10-15 miles up the coast from Gaza. Have friends living there.

There will be as much protestation about this as there was about 10/7 cuz…well…ya know.

[mcar]

45. So it's OK for bombings to happen there?

Because Americans haven't heard of it?

Interesting rationale for protests - "hey, I've heard of Gaza. Let me buy a keffiyeh and tent on Amazon and prevent Jewish students from accessing campus."

[yardwork]

49. And, "I've heard of Israel, they're the bad guys" but I'm not familiar with the cities in Israel.

So if one side of the conflict I know SO MUCH about that I'm dedicating my immediate life to protesting it happens to bomb a place IN ISRAEL that I haven't heard of - because I'm too lazy to actually, you know, learn any history or geography of the place I'm protesting....

[mcar]

51. I've seen interviews with some of the protestors

and they admit they have no idea what they are protesting. At one school, it was to ban Sabra Hummus from the cafeteria.

[Eko]

86. I am sure somewhere you can find I said that.

Because you wouldn't be making up a position I don't take would you?

[EllieBC]

48. So the protesting students are idiots.

Because they can’t fucking read a map. Or they can only protest what they are spoon fed on TikTok. Kinda already assumed that but thanks for confirmation.

[JustAnotherGen]

83. Ethiopians

When you think Ashqelon - think Ethiopians. Ethiopian Jews began moving there in the 1990's. My friend Jill's daughter works with the Ethiopian community in Israel. Correction - she did. She and her baby Eitan left Israel in November last year - and her husband Barack was able to get here in December. Anyways - its a very beachy place.

[Happy Hoosier]

99. What the hell does THAT mean?

The OP is making the very valid point that Hamas is still trying as hard as it can to kill Israelis. Any Israelis will do.

In your zeal, you're coming off as dismissive.

[David__77]

9. Is the US shipping weapons to perpetrators?

[wnylib]

11. Are any US citizens supporting Hamas terrorism perpetrators?

To answer your question, though, on US shipments, the US has supplied weapons to Israel to use in its fight against Hamas.

[Voltaire2]

26. Where is your protest?

[yardwork]

30. Posting this on DU is a way of calling attention to it.

[Voltaire2]

31. So posting on DU qualifies as a protest?

I didn’t know that.

[yardwork]

32. Why not? How do you define protest?

[Voltaire2]

34. Ok just seems to be a lame low effort protest to me.

And really the op is about the anti genocide protest encampments, Ukraine is just the op’s talking point for attacking them. And you are not the op, so I’m still wondering where the op’s Ukraine protest is. Clearly it is not this.

[yardwork]

35. Every person has to determine how they'll protest.

I think posting an OP on DU, where it is read by thousands of people, most of whom are actual people and not bots, is a pretty effective way to protest.

Other people prefer to wave signs at street corners, unfurl banners, pitch tents, disrupt dinner parties, whatever.

P.S. I don't understand your reference to Ukraine. Ashkelon is in Israel. Maybe you didn't know that.

[Mountainguy]

41. Do you think this is in Ukraine?

[JohnSJ]

50. Selective outrage by some I guess

[al bupp]

52. By that logic, you should also be outraged by the bombing and missling of Gaza

[JohnSJ]

57. Yes, where civilians were caught in the middle. I am also outraged by what is happening in Sudan, Syria,

the rwandan genocide, The Armenian genocide, the Holocaust, etc., and the wars to destroy Israel by its "neighbors".

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNYj7gfWYAAtaW_?format=jpg&name=900x900

and yes, the selective outrage by some is glaring

[Think. Again.]

53. If the school you attend...

...is financially invested in the group who caused that, you should DEFINITELY start a protest to demand divestment like the current protests did!

[yardwork]

56. Hamas caused it, and the protesters are helping them.

There's no other way to spin this attack by Hamas on a city in Israel. The protesters who want the U.S. to leave Israel defenseless are absolutely helping Hamas.

[RandomNumbers]

59. And they are potentially helping Trump

who is no friend to anyone in the Middle East who isn't kowtowing to him and sending $$$$$$$$ his way.

He will stomp all over Gaza and the West Bank for his friend Bibi

Then stomp all over Israel when it suits his political needs.

[Think. Again.]

63. Do you fear your protest will...

..."help" some group that is connected to a group that is being financially invested in by the group you want to protest?

[yardwork]

64. I'm very careful about what I protest, for that very reason.

The day after Hamas's Oct 7 attack there were well-organized rallies in support of Hamas, all over the country. They were explicitly celebrating the attack. This went on for months. An invited speaker at a university near me specifically stated that she celebrated the Oct 7 attacks.

The rallies then morphed into anti-Israel and anti-Jewish messaging. Again, the protests were very specific and clear.

These student protesters want the U.S. to stop supporting Israel. Israel was attacked in October 7 and has been several times since then, including this recent attack.

Anybody demanding that the U.S. stop helping Israel protect themselves is, by definition, helping Hamas destroy them.

[Think. Again.]

65. I can honestly say I saw no sign of...

...widespread pro-hamas celebrations across the country after Oct. 6.

I suspect that myth is like the group of 3 people who were supposdly seen celebrating 9/11 in New Jersey as it happened.

[yardwork]

67. I saw it. If you haven't seen this, take a look:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Judaism/comments/188nnu2/october_7th_was_a_beautiful_day_so_said_at/

And

https://oldnorthnews.com/stories/652923236-pro-palestinian-group-that-held-unc-rally-said-event-was-part-of-same-movement-as-hamas-oct-7-attacks-on-israel

...and plenty more. Not just "pro-Palestinian" but "unapologetically" pro-Hamas. That is quote from the speaker herself, and from organizers of numerous other rallies.

[Think. Again.]

69. I hadn't seen any of that before this thread.

...it seems the "SJP" is yet another small extremist group right here in the U.S., I didn't know about them (I'm too focused on the more active christian rightwing extremist groups here I guess.)

Thank you for pointing it out.

[lapucelle]

91. It's an extremist group, but it's not small. There are 150+ campus chapters in the US, Canada, & New Zealand.

What Is Students for Justice in Palestine, the Group Igniting U.S. Campus Wars Over Israel

Students for Justice in Palestine has assumed a leading role in the anti-Israel protests that have swept through colleges across America since the latest Gaza war began on October 7. But what is actually known about the organization that salutes the massacre of Israeli citizens and tells its members to avoid being recognized – and where does its funding come from?

Since October 7, when Hamas terrorists perpetrated a massacre in Israel that prompted a massive Israel Defense Forces retaliation, SJP has assumed a leading role in the pro-Palestinian protests that have swept through campuses across America. SJP organized the “day of resistance” marked at hundreds of colleges on October 12, less than a week after the Hamas attack. It has also helped stage several nationwide walkouts to protest Israel’s war in Gaza.

snip---------------------------

How long has SJP been around?

Its first national conference took place in 2011, but according to co-founder Hatem Bazian – today a lecturer in the department of ethnic studies at UC Berkeley – the organization actually traces its roots back to 1993 when he and a group of Palestinian undergraduate and graduate students at Berkeley launched the first chapter. Bazian, who still maintains strong ties with the organization, was unwilling to share any other names of key activists in the group.

How big is SJP?

The National SJP website refers to more than 200 chapters. Bazian says there might be “even 300.” Even though the ADL sent its letter calling for an investigation into SJP’s possible connections with Hamas to nearly 200 universities and colleges, it notes on its website that the social media accounts of many SJP chapters have not been active for a while – indicating that the official numbers may be overstated. It is also not clear how many of these branches are certified and, therefore, eligible for university funding as well as space on campus for events.

What sparked the recent crackdown?

The main trigger was a “tool kit” published by the National SJP for participants on the day of resistance, in which Hamas’ atrocities in Israel were described as a “historic win for the Palestinian resistance.”

https://www.haaretz.com/haaretz-explains/2023-11-17/ty-article/.premium/what-is-students-for-justice-in-palestine-the-group-igniting-u-s-campus-wars-over-israel/0000018b-d950-dffa-adef-ff50463f0000

Deep dive; No paywall.
https://archive.ph/4WskP

Influence Watch page
https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/national-students-for-justice-in-palestine/

[Think. Again.]

94. Thank you for the links!

SJP is new to me, probably because the parent organization is somewhat inactive and the small, individual school chapters act independently.

My interest only extends to any indication of violence by the organization or any of it's school chapters (and there doesn't seem to be any cause for alarm on that issue) and also to any evidence of a connection to hamas other than unverifiable claims, and so far no verifiable information seems to be available on that.

The closest I have found in your references is reports that Ron DeSantis has accused the parent organization of material support to hamas by the Brandeis University chapter but that claim was rejected by Brandeis University. I also found it interesting that an old US Treasury Dept. lawsuit claiming a now-defunct organization affiliated with SJP was settled with the Treasury Dept. paying the organization's legal fees.

Recent investigations seem to heating up around this issue due to the protests but so far there is no way to tell whether these investigations are legitimate or simple harrassment.

Here's an exceprt from the Haaretz article you linked:

"Indeed, none of the organizations and institutions insinuating that SJP provides material support to Hamas have been able to provide any solid evidence of that. Because SJP is not registered as a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization but instead raises money through a fiscal sponsor, it is also difficult to trace its sources of funding."

And I would like to point out the discrepency between that article and the Influencer Watch article you also linked in reference to SJP's 501(c)(3), which clearly claims SJP is a registered non-profit (That seems like an odd 'mistake', easy to verify) which states:

Website: www.nationalsjp.org/
Tax-Exempt Status: 501(c)(3)
Project of: WESPAC Foundation

So, due to the lack of any evidence that this organization is any kind of threat to anyone, and the lack of evidence of any connection to hamas, I'm gong to have to stick with the ACLU's position on this and
hope that the efforts to block these students from excercising their 1st amendment rights end soon.

Thanks for the links, but in my eyes, as it stands now, there doesn't seem to be anything to be concerned about from this group as far a violence or material support to or from hamas.

I do find the anti-semitism and vocal support for terrorism to be offensive and possibly concerning, as I do with the acts of instigation and intimidation comng from the pro-netanyahu side, but, again, it is all, so far, just protected speech.

[lapucelle]

95. "I do find the anti-semitism and vocal support for terrorism [...] possibly concerning..."

The quiet part out loud...

I do find the anti-semitism and vocal support for terrorism to be offensive and possibly concerning

I do find the anti-semitism and vocal support for terrorism to be offensive and possibly concerning

[Think. Again.]

100. Yes. I do.

[lapucelle]

104. If the Influence Watch page is confusing, I can help!

SJP itself is not registered as a 501(c) (3). That's why there is no location, tax ID number, named directors, budget, or really any information whatsoever, other than the note that SJP is a "project of" its parent organization, Wespac Foundation.

If you click on the link, you'll basic information (like tax ID number, location, and executive director) for SJP's parent organization, Westpac.

That's what the Haaretz article meant when it said:

Because SJP is not registered as a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization but instead raises money through a fiscal sponsor, it is also difficult to trace its sources of funding."

Glad I could clear that up for you!

[Think. Again.]

105. Well, since SJP doesn't seem to be dangerous in any...

...I guess I should look into westpac then.

Do you know of any trustworthy links on them?

[lapucelle]

107. I would caution *anyone* who admits to knowing nothing about a topic

to resist the urge to make snap judgements and categorical claims based on a superficial understanding, especially if they've already misread information proffered.

Meanwhile, here's some homework.
https://www.carolinajournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/palestine-1-050124.pdf

[Think. Again.]

108. cool. Got any links to info on westpac?

[lapucelle]

109. Here you go.

https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/students-justice-palestine-sjp

[Think. Again.]

110. Blocked for some reason, probably my vpn....

...but that seems to more on SJP.

Do you know anything about westpac?

[lapucelle]

111. Try this.

https://canarymission.org/organization/Students_For_Justice_In_Palestine

[Think. Again.]

113. Nope, just more SJP stuff...

Oh well, maybe the westpac claim is a diversion to make SJP seem like it's more than individual campus clubs.

[lapucelle]

114. Do the readings and circle back

when "anti-Semitism and vocal support for terrorism" register as more than "possibly concerning".

[Think. Again.]

115. Yeah, I was hoping you had some info on westpac, thanks anyway!

[lapucelle]

116. I was hoping that *anyone* who thinks that "anti-Semitism and vocal support for terrorism

are possibly concerning" might reassess.

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[Think. Again.]

117. ok thanks, if you find anything on westpac let me know, thanks!

[Cha]

72. Mahalo for the Valuable information, yardwork

[AZSkiffyGeek]

78. They were probably under their bridge at the time

[lapucelle]

96. Apparently some people find "anti-semitism and vocal support for terrorism to be [...]possibly concerning",

at least according to someone up thread.

Anti-semitism and vocal support for terrorism [is] offensive and possibly concerning.

It is remarkable that stuff like this has become normalized.

[yardwork]

97. Well, there are certainly attempts to normalize it.

I hope they don't succeed.

[Oopsie Daisy]

106. "possibly" ... good lord.

[lapucelle]

92. It's not a "myth". It happened in NYC, and it was posted here on DU on October 8.

Hamas supporters shame New York, chanting "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free".

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218341678

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[Happy Hoosier]

98. Relief aid, including aid the US has contributed to, has been diverted by Hamas...

... to do precisely this kind of thing.

[gulliver]

55. Most of the so-called protesters are lost people fighting their own demons.

They have a lot in common with Trump rally folks. They just wear different costumes.

[yardwork]

61. These students got into the most selective schools in the nation.

The vast majority of students at Columbia, Berkeley, and these other major schools are intelligent. They had to get practically straight As and prove knowledge of English, math, history, etc. on AP exams to get into these schools.

If they are this ignorant and misinformed about the middle east, it is the fault of their professors.

[Mountainguy]

66. Lets slow down on that...

Plenty of Ivy League imbeciles.


And plenty who were just rich enough to buy grades and SAT scores.

[tazkcmo]

81. Educated doesn't mean smart.

Nor does acceptance into these elite schools indicate hard work. George Bush went to Yale. Just one famous example.

[Cha]

68. TY for this, Mountainguy..

[RandySF]

76. Where is the UN?

[Mountainguy]

77. Probably trying to fund the schools in Gaza that Hamas uses to

Radicalize and militarize 7 year olds.

[mcar]

90. Kick

[SunSeeker]

93. Protest that? Hell, some campus protesters may be cheering it.

Like SJP cheered Hamas' 10/7 attack:

Tensions sparked anew at campuses on Thursday as the national group Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP) declared a "day of resistance," with demonstrations by its 200 chapters at colleges across North America.

The national group, which advocates for an independent Palestine and says on its website that it promotes "an agenda grounded in freedom, solidarity, equality, safety and historical justice," called the Oct. 7 attack by Hamas "a historic win for the Palestinian resistance."

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-colleges-become-flashpoints-protests-both-sides-israel-hamas-war-2023-10-13/

[Cha]

102. Yeah, they "won" alright.. such

a big "win"

[Scrivener7]

101. Do you think there should be? Because, if so, you certainly should protest it.

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After all, the birth of our country was, essentially, a protest. Protest is a big part of our identity.

I support the rights of all Americans to protest when they are moved to do so. I'm sure you do too.

[ExciteBike66]

103. Theres no campus protests against cancer either...

Hamas is a cancer, immune to protest. Israel is an ally that can be persuaded.

[Mountainguy]

112. I think most of the protestors

Think Hamas is their ally.