'We Must Settle Gaza Now' Netanyahu Ministers Join Israeli Far-right 'March to Gaza,' Demand Palestinians' Expuls

[Nanjeanne]

Thousands of Israelis joined a far-right Independence Day march on Tuesday in the south, led by Jewish activists advocating for resettling Gaza and forcing Palestinians to leave the enclave.

They were supported by lawmakers speaking at the event, including two cabinet members: Communications Minister Shlomo Karhi, who is a member of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's Likud party, and National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir of Otzma Yehudit.

"In order to preserve the security achievements that our soldiers lost their lives for, we must resettle Gaza with security forces and settlers that will embrace the land with love," Karhi said. He said that "this is the only real way to make the Hamas Nazis pay a price and to defend our nation and country."

Ben-Gvir also spoke at the march, saying that what the protesters are calling for was the "true solution." "First," he said, "we must return to Gaza now! We are coming home to the Holy Land! And second," he continued, "we must encourage emigration. Encourage the voluntary emigration of the residents of Gaza. It is moral!"

I’m sick to my stomach reading their words. But they are at least admitting what some of us have always known.

To read more of the - the article in Haaretz https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-05-14/ty-article/netanyahu-ministers-join-israeli-far-right-march-to-gaza-demand-palestinians-expulsion/0000018f-778d-d599-ab8f-7fff00c40000]

Free link https://archive.is/U0UNh]

[Prairie Gates]

1. If only these statement by ... er, government ministers were treated with the same seriousness

as remarks by...checks notes...unemployed undergrauates.

[atreides1]

2. Okay

Is it ethnic cleansing, now?

[LuvLoogie]

11. Fair market value.

Leave or die.

[LuvLoogie]

13. Yeah, it's a duck

Ethnic cleansing, Apartheid, "Manifest Destiny"

It is what it is.

[wnylib]

28. Is it happening now? If not, then the answer to your question is no.

Saying something and doing it are not the same, which I think you know.

Donald Trump calls for deporting immigrants and revoking birthright citizenship of children of immigrants. His supporters in Congress agree with him. So do thousands of his supporters around the country. But it is not happening right now, so it is not ethnic cleansing. But it is one reason among many why Trump must not get near the White House and why RWers in Congress need to be voted out.

Israel has far right extremists, too, including members of Netanyahu's coalition government. There are also left wing Israelis, some of whom are currently unwilling guests of Hamas in Gaza, but I don't think you could count their presence there as an ethnic cleansing settlement. Some of the Israelis on the left are now dead victims of Hamas. The attacks occurred mainly in the southern part of Israel where the march occurred and where anger is still strong. Looks like RWers are using the attacks to stir people up to promote their own agenda.

[Nanjeanne]

48. You are correct. It's a strong desire for ethnic cleansing and the path they want and right now

they are inching towards their ultimate goal.

That is so much better.

[David__77]

3. They are emboldened by US support.

[wnylib]

30. Nonsense. They are emboldened by far right Israeli religious zealots.

Biden is currently the US president and I don't hear him calling for Israeli military occupation of Gaza and establishments of Israeli settlements there. On the contrary, he has spoken out about supporting Palestinian independence and getting international support for preserving it with a Palestinian state after the war.

[Violet_Crumble]

47. I think they're emboldened by a few things...

I think the main thing emboldening them right now is that there's a huge vacuum when it comes to after the war. The Israeli govt hasn't shown that they've got any plans at all because all they're concentrating on is attacking every inch of Gaza, and while there's that void there, the ugly religious extremists and the likes of Jared Kushner will come along and fill it, even though the majority of Israelis are opposed to them, because when it comes to them and Hamas, they're both different sides of the same coin.

I think the extremists see Biden, and Obama before him as being weak, and easy pushovers. Apart from that, I think they'd act the way they act regardless of what the US said or did.

I'd be hoping that if Nutty continues to go the path of attacking Rafah, regardless of the cost in Palestinian lives, that next time Palestinian statehood comes up for a vote in the Security Council, the US will do the right thing and either abstain, or even better, support it.

[Ping Tung]

4. Believing in a cruel God makes a cruel man. Thomas Paine

The lot of them, Christians, Jews, Muslims, need to shop around for a more benevolent deity. The one they have is dangerous to humanity.

[patphil]

5. Unfortunately, Jews, Muslims, and many Christians worship the god of the old testament.

And a lot of the content of the old testament depicts an angry, vengeful, cruel "god", who favors some of his children over others.
How can god be God and have any of those traits.
Also, how can there be such a thing as the wrath of god? If it's that easy to piss god off, then we aren't really talking about a God, are we?
Or, are we a lot more powerful than we think?
Can knock god off his center?
The gods of the old testament are too much like men, and too little like what I expect a God to be like.

[PatSeg]

8. Yes, the god(s) of the old testament

truly was created in the image of humankind. I suppose that is why so many Jews, Muslims, and Christians focus on the old testament. Perhaps they really can't relate to a kind benevolent, forgiving deity. The teachings of Jesus were so clear, yet I know so few Christians who try to live by them.

[patphil]

25. It hurts to know the truth in what you have said.

I can't understand what happened to humanity. They have become less humane over time.
Jesus told us how to live...it isn't that hard to follow what he taught, but so few are willing to do that.

[PatSeg]

36. Sadly that is true

It is like a sizable segment of society has lost their minds. Feels like living in some dystopian sci-fi movie.

[Crunchy Frog]

45. Humans have always been like this. Or worse.

As far back in human history as you can go.

[Oneironaut]

32. And not all of it. Just the things that allow them to judge and hate other people.

[PatSeg]

37. Yes

A whole lot of cherry picking of the bible going on. Then comes the rationalizations for their unchristian behavior - "Well, the bible says....".

[Mosby]

51. You don't know the first thing about Judaism apparently

Starting with your use of the term "old testement".

Stay in your lane.

[democrank]

29. Thank you for this.

~Peace~

[dchill]

55. God is only human, after all.

[Ping Tung]

56. So God created man in his own image Gen: 1-27

I'm fully convinced that the opposite is the case.

[dchill]

57. From all available evidence...

... that's the size of it.

[lark]

6. So ethnic cleansing is perfectly ok when done by Israel?

Fuck that!

[Volaris]

12. Agreed. If the govt in tel aviv is not on board with a 2 state solution,

Then Tel Aviv needs a new government.

[Mosby]

53. What ethnic cleansing?

All I've heard is words.

[SarahD]

7. Some Palestinians must remain.

Trash still needs to be hauled. Toilets still need to be cleaned. And so on. It does no good to subjugate a people if you expel them all.

[Crunchy Frog]

46. They have Filipino guest workers for that.

Much easier to expel when they become inconvenient too.

https://www.americamagazine.org/2019/09/04/filipino-catholics-face-deportation-from-israel

[maxsolomon]

9. These zealots won't get their way.

Gazans are not going to be expelled, and there are over 2 million of them. Still.

[obamanut2012]

16. But they can be bombed until all are gone or starve

Which is what is happening.

[maxsolomon]

17. If there were 2.3 million on 10/7, and there are now 2.265 million Gazans.

That's presuming the Health Ministry's 35K dead number is accurate.

They will not all be starved or bombed to death.

[Butterflylady]

31. They will not all be starved or bombed to death.

Wanna bet?

[maxsolomon]

50. Really? You'd bet on that?

6 months of open warfare with modern weaponry that's reduced much of the territory to rubble, yet 98.5% of the population is alive?

A famine is looming, but the US, Israel's closest ally, has just anchored a pier off the coast of Gaza that will allow aid to bypass the Israeli and Egyptian checkpoints?

Can you lay out the scenario of HOW 2.265 million more people are going to die in the coming months?

[AloeVera]

41. How will they live in unlivable conditions for 15+ years?

Even assuming talk of reconstruction is in good faith, it may be moot if people can't live in an unlivable land for 15 years or so (the minimum time for reconstruction IF Israel allows in needed materials in a timely manner. If not, we are looking at 50+ years).

Again, ethnic cleansing doesn't have to be either total or forceful, if it was planned out, it's still ethnic cleansing.

[maxsolomon]

49. I don't have an answer for that.

I'm saying that ALL 2.3 million Gazans aren't going to be "bombed or starved to death". The war is not on that scale; few wars or genocides are. The hyperbole around here is over the top.

[AloeVera]

43. It's the destruction of all infrastructure

That will force them to leave. "Gone" can be done in different ways, not just through violence of bombing or starvation.

I read now that the IDF is destroying water wells, sewage pipes, underground civilian infrastructure. Actually BURNING DOWN schools. We already know they demolished all universities, most hospitals.

There is no other reason to do this than to destroy Gaza as a livable place. Then for "humanitarian reasons" they will have to leave.

Ethnic cleansing in broad daylight, innocent and regrettable on the surface, but in reality well-planned and intentional.

[AloeVera]

40. I hope you are right.

Ethnic cleansing doesn't need to be either total or forcible to be considered such. A "thinning out" forced by unlivable conditions accomplishes the job just as much. We have heard Israeli government extremists talk in terms of thinning out or depopulation for awhile now. The noise from the settlers and their supporters in government is getting louder too.

It has been my fear that it will be unlivable conditions caused by the destruction of homes and infrastructure that will be the impetus and rationale for the removal of Gazans. If and when it is presented as a "humanitarian gesture" it will feel like a kick in the teeth for an already subjugated and humiliated people. A tragedy and so sad.

[maxrandb]

10. Is it "true solution", or "final solution"?

asking for a friend.

[Mad_Machine76]

14. That sounded really ominous

[maxrandb]

22. Nah, it's cool

He's only a senior elected official in a nations governing coalition. It's not like he's an all powerful 19 year old college student with the ability to control national policy.

[jalan48]

15. Michael Moore was blasted for saying the Israel situation could hurt Biden.

Simply saying Trump would be worse won’t win over voters. We need to separate the current Israeli leadership from the conflict and focus on who these right wing authoritarians are; did all Americans support the Bush’Cheney regime change in Iraq? Did it mean all foreigners had to support the Bush/Cheney war in order not to be branded anti-American?

[muriel_volestrangler]

18. "Did it mean all foreigners had to support the Bush/Cheney war in order not to be branded anti-American?" That was how

Republicans played it, yes. Remember "freedom fries"? In the long run, opposing the war was accepted as sensible, but in 2004, Senator Kerry was attacked for "looking French", and for speaking it well.

[jalan48]

20. Yep, and that's why being anti-Netanyahu's authoritarian government doesn't mean anti-semitic.

[XorXor]

19. "Israeli security officials slammed Ben-Gvir's comments"

"Israeli security officials slammed Ben-Gvir's comments, with one official telling Haaretz, "Ben-Gvir's opposition to Gaza aid contradicts the cabinet's decision, given that he's a cabinet member who should uphold its decisions."


Interesting. So what exactly is happening in Israel? This isn't the first time I've heard stuff like this. I'm not clear on how the Israeli government works. How much power sway does he have? He's a cabinet member, right? Does that mean he speaks for Netanyahu?

[maxsolomon]

21. He does not speak for Netanyahu or the Govt as a whole.

That's what the officials were saying to Haaretz.

[maxrandb]

23. Can he be fired?

I mean, if he's NOT "speaking for the government"...

[tritsofme]

26. He is only in government as part of Netanyahu's zombie coalition.

He does not sit in the War Cabinet.

Basically every faction of Israeli politics united against Likud, and he was left to make a coalition with hard right extremists that even he spurned during his previous decade plus in power.

They will never sit in government again after there are new elections, which are desperately needed.

[maxsolomon]

27. Yes, any minister can be fired.

Would Netanyahu like his government to collapse as a result? Probably not.

[karynnj]

24. Very little ,,, and an incredible amount

The incredible amount is that if he left the Netanyahu government with a few similar minded people, the government falls. As a result Netanyahu won't break with him. I guess you could say, he is Netanyahu's Marjorie Taylor Greene ... without any chance those outside his government will come to the rescue.

Before this government, he and his party were considered too extreme to be in any government.

[JohnSJ]

33. Hamas must be real proud of themselves with what disaster they brought upon the Palestinians by their Oct. 7th attack

They knew damn well what would happen by what they did on October 7th, a strong retaliation, however, they miscalculated as they normally do. They didn’t get the unwavering support of Arab countries in the region to come to their aid, but what they have done is create a real chance that trump may actually become president, and for those “genocide Joes” who think that not voting for Biden in November will “teach” Democrats a lesson, that worked out real well in 2016, and if they think they are helping the Palestinian situation, it is NOT an understatement if trump gets into the White House again, this could the ultimate disaster for the Palestinians

I didn’t read the details of the Sienna/NYTimes poll that various hosts on MSNBC, and I am sure others have been pushing today what a disaster it is for President Biden, but if those Genz, and young people think things couldn’t get worse if trump gets into the WH again, I suggest they look at 2016. It will be far worse if they don’t vote Democratic down the ticket.

and if another disruption like what happened at the 2016 Democratic convention which left a very divided party, that will not bode well for November.

[red dog 1]

34. "Netanyahu Ministers"

Netanyahu has to go.

The Israeli people need to vote him out, imo.

[ExciteBike66]

35. Israel has their own Hamas...

[ecstatic]

38. bibi also agrees

That's been clear since late October. The "ooops, did I do that?" game he's been playing is pure bullshit and people see through that shit.

[Ron Green]

39. Lebensraum.

[moondust]

42. Ugh.

[Crunchy Frog]

44. "Voluntary"?

And yes, it's been obvious all along to anyone not totally blinded by their own biases.

[dchill]

52. Cue Condoleezza Rice...

"No one could ever have imagined..."

[JustAnotherGen]

54. Yeah - their idiots for that

If they are smart - they will get confirmation of the dead/alive hostages - get their corpses back or the living back -

And wash their hands of the West Bank and Gaza. If the Palestinian Government won't step up and grow a country in a two state solution - it's on them.

I want Israel free from the onus of the Palestinians.