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Isn't there anyone who understands what Christmas is all about?!?!?!? (Original Post) WilliamPitt Nov 2012 OP
This is going to be my Xmas card this year....nt Grey Nov 2012 #1
that is a great idea rurallib Nov 2012 #16
"Keep Christ in Christmas". The Pagans should be mad that Christ was inserted into the solstice. JaneyVee Nov 2012 #2
I am AldoLeopold Nov 2012 #3
I'm a Christian and I keep trying to tell all of this liberalhistorian Nov 2012 #6
Funny thing is AldoLeopold Nov 2012 #7
The Christ personage or "the anointed one" was there before Jesus. Cleita Nov 2012 #11
Don't let them take the "X" out of Xmas. Fuddnik Nov 2012 #12
I thought of Linus after reading the title SCVDem Nov 2012 #4
Isn't there anyone who understands what Christmas is all about$$$$$! Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2012 #5
I thought it was about cultural disposal of alien fruitcakes that appear from out of nowhere. randome Nov 2012 #8
A chance assuage guilt JEB Nov 2012 #9
It lost it's meaning for me when I found out Santa Claus Cleita Nov 2012 #10
Just what you'd expect from a Great Pumpkinista pinboy3niner Nov 2012 #13
Joyeux Saturnalia, Grumpy O'Lielly (R) Berlum Nov 2012 #14
I think water boarding should definitely play a prominant part Bandit Nov 2012 #15
ha Divine Discontent Nov 2012 #17
Greed? retread Nov 2012 #18
What a steamin pile o' horseshit! MynameisBlarney Nov 2012 #19
WilliamPitt Diclotican Nov 2012 #20
I miss you Charles Schultz... she says while sipping out of her Woodstock Christmas mug. KittyWampus Nov 2012 #21
That is awesome. forestpath Nov 2012 #22
If that is what Christmas edhopper Nov 2012 #23
The Pagan solstice 1620rock Nov 2012 #24
AXIAL TILT IS THE REASON FOR THE SEASON Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2012 #25
Charles Schultz Is Rolling Over In His Grave WiffenPoof Nov 2012 #26
Um WilliamPitt Nov 2012 #28
Bill, Yes Of Course It Was... WiffenPoof Nov 2012 #29
Thanks! WilliamPitt Nov 2012 #30
Well, sure I do! It's about people giving me stuff! Buns_of_Fire Nov 2012 #27
public buttsex and feasting? datasuspect Nov 2012 #31
 

AldoLeopold

(617 posts)
3. I am
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:27 PM
Nov 2012

Can't speak for all pagans, but its irritating. On the other hand, I take the solstice off every year no matter what.

It happened a long time ago, and it wasn't as bad as the forced swallowing of silver or poisonous snakes for those who didn't convert.

liberalhistorian

(20,814 posts)
6. I'm a Christian and I keep trying to tell all of this
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:58 PM
Nov 2012

to those who spout the usual "keep Christ in Christmas, in our house we say MERRY CHRISTMAS" crap this time each year (and now, with Facebook, it's ten times worse!). It just makes them madder, for some reason. Sigh. They simply refuse to believe that we just do NOT know Christ's actual birthdate and that we will never know it.

 

AldoLeopold

(617 posts)
7. Funny thing is
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:12 PM
Nov 2012

Now Christmas is on the 25th, and the solstice falls on the 21st typically these days. I think, but don't quote me on this, that the solstice fell on the 25th in the way back machine but due to Melakovich cycles, tilt, wobble, etc., that date has no changed. I should delve more into the history of it, but it wouldn't change what the date means to me (the winter solstice that is.).

It doesn't matter, I don't celebrate Christmas as the birth of Christ - just about presents, a big tree now and a homemade yule log on the 21st along with some ale/wine and quiet contemplation.

Either way, its not like the Christian horde came in to Europe and nailed people to crosses if they didn't play ball. More often than not, it was pagan kings persecuting their own people (no, my loyal subjects, solstice bad, christmas good) so that they could get into the Pope's and Constantinople's good graces for trade reasons.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
11. The Christ personage or "the anointed one" was there before Jesus.
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:37 PM
Nov 2012

It just got pasted on to him. So I don't think the Pagans were upset about that.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
8. I thought it was about cultural disposal of alien fruitcakes that appear from out of nowhere.
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:19 PM
Nov 2012

If we don't stay on top of it, the fruitcakes will take over the world! (They already have a foothold in Fox News.)

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
10. It lost it's meaning for me when I found out Santa Claus
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:35 PM
Nov 2012

was just a lie. It goes to show that greed seems to be the real meaning behind the holiday.

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
15. I think water boarding should definitely play a prominant part
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:55 PM
Nov 2012

Everyone knows Christ would LOVE doing that to people...

Divine Discontent

(21,056 posts)
17. ha
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:08 PM
Nov 2012

yes, there are multiple other beliefs in the past that also used that time of year to celebrate their beliefs, that was then chosen to recognize the birth of Jesus by Christian leaders, but this particular holiday that a billion celebrate is titled Christmas, so it's not confusing what it's supposed to be for - now, what it's turned into for many people (commercialism to the max), that's another point

The original "That's what Christmas is all about, Charlie Brown"



Charlie Brown: I guess you were right, Linus. I shouldn't have picked this little tree. Everything I do turns into a disaster. I guess I really don't know what Christmas is all about.
[shouting in desperation]
Charlie Brown: Isn't there anyone who knows what Christmas is all about?
Linus Van Pelt: Sure, Charlie Brown, I can tell you what Christmas is all about.
[moves toward the center of the stage]
Linus Van Pelt: Lights, please.
[a spotlight shines on Linus]
Linus Van Pelt: "And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. And lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. And the angel said unto them, 'Fear not: for behold, I bring unto you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you is born this day in the City of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord. And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.' And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host, praising God, and saying, 'Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.'"
[Linus picks up his blanket and walks back towards Charlie Brown]
Linus Van Pelt: That's what Christmas is all about, Charlie Brown.

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
20. WilliamPitt
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:30 PM
Nov 2012

WilliamPitt

I don't try to push my belief to others - I just say God Jul.. It is a old, ancient Norwegian word, who goes way back - even long before Olav II Haralsson (the holly) deiced christianity should be the governing religion, regardless of what the rest of the land was believing was the best.... He died in 1030 at Stiklesstad in a battle....

Diclotican

edhopper

(33,467 posts)
23. If that is what Christmas
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 05:42 PM
Nov 2012

should only be about,
then it should not be celebrated as a national holiday.
That would be a violation of the establishment clause.

1620rock

(2,218 posts)
24. The Pagan solstice
Thu Nov 29, 2012, 01:13 AM
Nov 2012

"Now Christmas is on the 25th of December, and the solstice falls on the 21st typically these days. I think, but don't quote me on this, that the solstice fell on the 25th in the way back machine but due to Melakovich cycles, tilt, wobble, etc., that date has no changed."

It's like this. In ancient times the solstice (like today) fell on or about the 21st of December. However the very first day that the sun could be seen with the naked eye to perceptibly stop it's decent and begin it's return to the northern sky was on December 25th....It's as simple as that.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
25. AXIAL TILT IS THE REASON FOR THE SEASON
Thu Nov 29, 2012, 03:21 AM
Nov 2012

23.5 degrees, baby!!!.

And Isaac Newton is the Christmas baby that demonstrably brought science into the modern age by discovering the spectrum of white light separated with a prism, discovered the laws of motion, and BTW, invented calculus and argued furiously with Leibniz over it.



My artwork here:
http://imgur.com//tEnrO

WiffenPoof

(2,404 posts)
26. Charles Schultz Is Rolling Over In His Grave
Thu Nov 29, 2012, 07:46 AM
Nov 2012

I am a former syndicated cartoonist. I am very familiar with many of the cartoonists of the past. Charles Schultz had an agreement that when he died, Peanuts would die with him. Apparently the Schultz family couldn't resist the opportunity to continue raking in the big bucks after Sparky's death. They didn't even break stride...Peanuts continued in reprints as well as all the gains from ads (Met Life, etc.). So much for integrity.

-Paige

WiffenPoof

(2,404 posts)
29. Bill, Yes Of Course It Was...
Thu Nov 29, 2012, 12:05 PM
Nov 2012

It just reminded of the related issue. I suppose every time I see Peanuts characters, I'm reminded of how much Charles Schultz didn't want his strip to survive him. It's like Bill Watterson with Calvin and Hobbs. People are constantly using his characters without permission...and he is passionate about intellectual property rights. Yeah, I know it's a bit off topic...but it is rare when I have a chance to speak on an issue that I actually have some knowledge about...LOLOLOL

By the way...I'm a big fan of your writing. Never miss an opportunity to read your offerings.

Peace

-Paige

 

datasuspect

(26,591 posts)
31. public buttsex and feasting?
Thu Nov 29, 2012, 12:28 PM
Nov 2012

communal shitting and vomiting?

or child abduction, child dismemberment, and child eating?

which version of midwinter rites are we talking about?

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