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[mahatmakanejeeves]

1. He's too busy dealing with the Northern Lights. NT

[mysteryowl]

4. Ummm, I have no idea what your comment means

[Happy Hoosier]

81. I think the comment is attacking the premise...

… that Biden can control the war in Gaza…. Any more than he can control the Northern Lights.

[no_hypocrisy]

2. Biden should tell the fundamentalist settlors

to knock it off.

[Ocelot II]

3. It's pretty hard to make *another country* stop a war it wants to wage.

The weapons the US supplies are only something like 10% of Israel's total, and they will continue regardless. And if people are dumb enough to vote for a third party candidate they'll give us Trump. Is that what they want? He's more likely to encourage Netanyahu to nuke Gaza. But I guess that would end the war...

[mysteryowl]

5. I think it would solve the issue

if he called for a stop to it.

[Ocelot II]

6. How do we know he isn't doing exactly that behind the scenes?

[mysteryowl]

7. Well, maybe, but the voters need to know that.

[Demsrule86]

55. We support Democrats espcially Democrat president who runnig for second term here. Biden has called for

a cease-fire...but we can't make another country do anything. Your criticisms are off base...we can't control Israel.

[Irish_Dem]

12. Biden cannot make another country stop a war.

Biden cannot make another country stop defending itself.

Biden is the president of the US.
Not the president of Israel.

Biden can stop giving Israel aid and support.
But that is another issue with pros and cons.

[mysteryowl]

23. People need Biden to make public statements opposing the war.

I know it is the current response people make that Biden is not Israel's president.
How does that help anything?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

24. He already has,

how did you miss it?

[Irish_Dem]

31. Exactly.

People just want to throw dirt on Biden who is in a no win situation.

[mysteryowl]

37. So sorry that is what you think

This is a discussion.

[Irish_Dem]

28. Biden is in a no win situation. He will lose votes either way he goes.

If he stops supporting Israel, he will lose votes.
If he supports Israel, he will lose votes.

Informing people of what Biden can and cannot do is helpful.
Because people are misinformed and failing for false stories.

Biden has come out and talked about his opposition to some of Israel's actions.
He could not be more clear about it.

He cannot oppose Israel's right to defend it self and make national security decisions.
That is not his right.
He can oppose some of their actions and he has done so.

[Sky Jewels]

75. And yet we're still sending the insane right wing fascist Israeli government

another billion dollars so it can continue its decimation and ethnic cleansing of Gaza.

[Irish_Dem]

84. Biden probably knows who is funding and helping Hamas.

So we have some other layers of complication.

[Fla Dem]

39. He is doing what he can.

Biden warns Israel against Rafah attack without plan to protect civilians

President Joe Biden on Monday warned Israel against invading the southern Gaza city of Rafah, insisting that the U.S. would not support any operation that fails to account for the safety of the Palestinians who fled there under Israeli orders.

Politico
Feb 12, 2024
More~~~~~
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/12/biden-israel-rafah-attack-00141035#:~:text=President%20Joe%20Biden%20on%20Monday,fled%20there%20under%20Israeli%20orders.

Biden’s Rafah warning sends immediate shockwaves through US and global politics
Stephen Collinson, CNN

Updated 2:46 PM EDT, Thu May 9, 2024
—
US-Israel relations have reached a critical crossroads that shows that even President Joe Biden’s staunch support can reach its limits when it starts to conflict with wider American national security and moral interests — and his own dicey political position.

Biden’s warning in an interview with CNN’s Erin Burnett that he’d halt some weapons shipments to Israel if it invades the Gazan city of Rafah marks the most direct US attempt to rein in its ally in a national security crisis since the Reagan administration, and the first significant conditioning of American military assistance since the start of the war.

Biden’s statement of his ultimate red line takes his trial of strength with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to its most intense level yet and sent immediate shockwaves through US and Israeli politics and around the world.

Washington fears a full-scale Israeli incursion into densely populated Rafah would cause civilian casualties on a level even greater than the 34,000 Palestinians the Gaza Health Ministry reports have already been killed in the Israeli war on Hamas. The city is already “hanging on the edge of a precipice,” a senior United Nations official told CNN Thursday. Hospitals are overstretched as Palestinians die in Israeli attacks on the suburbs and tens of thousands of people have already fled.

More~~~~
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/09/politics/bidens-rafah-warning-is-turning-point-in-us-israel-relations-and-a-belated-but-inevitable-rupture-with-netanyahu/index.html

Republicans in US House pass bill pushing Biden to send weapons to Israel

The act is not expected to become law, but its passage shows the depth of the election-year divide in the US over Israel.

The Republican-led US House of Representatives has passed a bill that would force President Joe Biden to send weapons to Israel, seeking to rebuke the Democrat for delaying bomb shipments as he urges Israel to do more to protect civilians during its war with Hamas.

The Israel Security Assistance Support Act was approved 224 to 187, largely along party lines. Sixteen Democrats joined most Republicans in voting yes, and three Republicans joined most Democrats in opposing the measure on Thursday.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/17/republicans-in-us-house-pass-bill-pushing-biden-to-send-weapons-to-israel

House passes Republican-backed bill designed to pressure Biden on delivering weapons to Israel
The vote was largely symbolic, because the Democratic-led Senate doesn't plan to take up the legislation.

May 16, 2024, 6:10 PM EDT / Updated May 16, 2024, 7:39 PM EDT
By Rebecca Kaplan, Megan Lebowitz, Kyle Stewart and Syedah Asghar

WASHINGTON — The Republican-led House passed a bill Thursday that would restrict the president's ability to withhold weapons transfers to Israel in a vote that drew attention to the divided Democratic caucus on the war in Gaza.

The bill passed the House 224-187. Sixteen Democrats voted for it, including Thomas Suozzi of New York, Jared Moskowitz of Florida and Josh Gottheimer of New Jersey. Only three Republicans opposed it.

The vote was largely symbolic — the bill is not expected to be taken up on the other side of the Capitol. Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., has indicated that it is dead on arrival, saying the measure is “not going anywhere.”

Passage of the Israel Security Assistance Support Act, which would prevent federal funds from being used to withhold defense services or weapons to Israel, comes shortly after the White House halted a shipment of weapons to the U.S. ally.

House Speaker Mike Johnson, R-La., applauded the bill's passage while slamming the Biden administration's withholding certain weapons from Israel, including 2,000-pound bombs and 500-pound bombs.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/house-passes-bill-rebuking-biden-pausing-weapons-israel-rcna152681

[wnylib]

67. How does it help anything?

Well, it reminds people that Biden really is not the prime minister of Israel. That position is already filled.

Even if Biden ended all US weapons shipments to Israel, it would not stop the war. Israel will continue to fight Hamas.

Biden is working for peace in a different way than ordering Netanyahu to stop fighting Hamas. He is negotiating with nations in the region for official recognition of Israel AND of a Palestinian state, which will require the presence of a peace-keeping force in Palestine.

Biden has many years of foreign relations experience. He knows what he's doing.

[SoFlaBro]

88. Biden made a public statement in opposition to the fucking war a few goddamn times.

[karynnj]

71. Have you followed Israeli politics and the extreme right wing Netanyahu government?

Netanyahu has recently said they will invade Rafah even if the entire world, including the US is against it. His government includes people who would opt out if he did stop the war - bringing down his government.

Not to mention, Bibi prefers the American far right and Trump. Remember he came to the US Congress to attack Obama's Iran deal. He would USE a public call by Biden to end the war to saying Biden wants Hamas to win and in Israel's hour of need he abandoned him. If anything, that could help Netanyahu.

Remember Netanyahu blasted Chuck Schumer when he spoke out. If there is anyone on the left who should have the credentials to do that it is Schumer.

[Happy Hoosier]

82. Not a chance...

The idiots taking this position will just move the goalposts.

[betsuni]

85. Nothing is ever enough, been demonstrated over and over. Then on to the next reason not to vote.

[Voltaire2]

46. Sure, but at least we could stop supplying the weapons.

It might not stop the war but it would end our complicity.

[doc03]

8. When he stops that war he should tell Putin to "cut it out" in Ukraine. He should also tell

the oil companies they can't sell gas for over $2 a gallon. Easy peasy!

[mysteryowl]

9. Sounds good to me.

[Voltaire2]

47. We aren't arming Russia.

[doc03]

52. Ok if Trump is elected there are Republicans

that want to nuke Gaza. Biden is damned if does damned if he doesn't.

[Voltaire2]

66. Saudi Arabia and the UAE have put a serious peace proposal on the table.

The US should let the Israeli government know that they need to accept this proposal and end the occupation and if they don't, then US military funding should stop.

[thucythucy]

64. We are however arming Saudi Arabia

which for years now has been conducting a war in Yemen that has also be characterized as "genocidal."

And yet, no college protests, no calls to divest from Saudi Arabia, no calls for President Biden to change the policy, no threats from people to withhold their votes because of this issue.

Not to mention, Saudi Arabia is a monarchy that oppresses women and LGBTQ people, and funds fundamentalist movements around the world.

Add to that the Yemenis, to my knowledge, haven't launched attacks into Saudi Arabia killing thousands of Saudis, nor have they kidnapped hundreds of Saudi hostages.

And yet the war continues year after year after year with nary a peep from American activists, certainly not to the extent we've seen with Israel/Gaza.

Why is that, I wonder?

[Voltaire2]

90. We don't give the Saudi's military aid, we sell them weapons.

And yes the war against the Houthi population is wrong and needs to end.

[bucolic_frolic]

10. Probably because he is President here, in the USA

and not president of Israel or head of Hamas. I think it's a matter of political sovereignty.

[mysteryowl]

11. Pres. Biden can state his position publicly.

[Demsrule86]

57. He has done so. My I remind you Hamas attacked Israel...What is Biden supposed to do?

He is not king of the world.

[womanofthehills]

68. Maybe - not supply Israel with buster bombs

That take out whole blocks with many children to supposedly take out one low level Hamas fighter. 225 days of war & American kids see injured & dead Gaza kids on their phones everyday- really bad this week - so many images with innocent kids with parts of their head missing.

Common Dreams:

“Approximately 13% of poll respondents in six swing states who voted for U.S. President Joe Biden in 2020 but would not vote for him again said that his foreign policy or Israel's war on Gaza were the most important issues determining their vote.”

https://www.commondreams.org/news/13-ex-biden-voters-gaza

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

89. That has been done

Do try to keep up.

https://apnews.com/article/jdam-2000-bomb-israel-pause-13c22dd220b2262890e92bccdc6c591b

[FBaggins]

13. "Call a stop"???

You seem to think that's within his power.

I am worried that former Biden voters might vote for another candidate

He would lose far more if he decided to side with Iran against one of our strongest allies. And they would be votes in the middle that would probably show up for the other guy. The worst the pro Hamas wing will do is fail to show up... and I doubt that many of them were going to vote anyway.

[yardwork]

54. Thank you for a note of sanity.

This is exhausting.

[agingdem]

14. because Biden is not the president of Israel..

because Biden recognizes Israel's right to defend itself against an unprovoked attack and massacre by Hamas, a terrorist organization determined to wipe Israel off the face of the earth and rid the world of every Jewish man, woman and child..

[mysteryowl]

16. I don't think this helps anything

[unblock]

70. lol. And this thread helps?

We mock the right wing for saying that the solution to school shootings is "thoughts and prayers". Obviously a useless and naive non-solution to a rather complicated problem.

Yet you're holding biden responsible for failing to achieve peace in the Middle East -- the most notoriously complicated and intractable problem in all of global politics -- and your suggestion is basically just that he announces that he wishes for peace. Really just thoughts and prayers.

Please start by recognizing that this situation is massively more complicated than any thread on du has acknowledged. Theee are many players with competing interests in many countries. Not just within Israel and Palestine but also Saudi Arabia Iran Russia china America and others. Many of them have an interest in keeping the fighting going. There are side negotiations going on all the time, and there is constant sabotage of peace efforts. This is incredibly complicated.

The o.p. offers nothing constructive and helps pin the blame on Biden. And then you criticize a response that merely touches on why things aren't as simple as many wish it was.

[JI7]

15. How about what China is doing ?

that doesn't bother them ?

[mysteryowl]

17. I don't understand your comment

Does it have anything to do with the OP of this thread? No.

[Voltaire2]

48. It is a what about argument without any attempt

at even making it at all relevant. Lazy.

[JI7]

65. Yes, it's strange they aren't bothered by China but are bothered by Israel getting support when they are being attacked

by multiple terror groups.

[EarlG]

18. Biden has called for a stop to the war on numerous occasions

He's not president of Israel so obviously he cannot simply snap his fingers and end the war by decree. But as for calling for a stop to the war, he has been doing that consistently for some time.

February 26: Biden says he hopes to see a cease-fire by next week in the Israel-Hamas war

April 4: Joe Biden calls for ‘immediate ceasefire’ in Gaza and says Israel must protect civilians to keep US support

April 10: Biden urges Israel ‘to just call for’ 6-8 week ceasefire, slams PM’s handling of Gaza war

April 12: Biden administration clings to cease-fire talks with no Plan B

May 8: Biden Pressures Israel for Cease-Fire, and Threatens to Withhold Arms

Republicans in the House have rebuked him twice for this:

April 5: House to vote on rebuking Biden's call for Gaza ceasefire

May 16: US House votes to force weapons shipments to Israel, rebuking Biden

As for why weapons are still being sent to Israel, it's extremely complicated. But one thing to note is:

Legally, the U.S. can’t cut Israel off completely. Since 2008, the U.S. has had to weigh all arms sales to Israel and other countries in the region against the requirement that Israel maintains a “qualitative military edge” against all enemies, both state and non-state actors.

Here's a link to that specific law, see section (h): https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title22-section2776&num=0&edition=prelim

[MineralMan]

21. Exactly.

He has done that. He has no power to force Israel to do anything, though. I'm not sure why people think that he does.

[mysteryowl]

25. The worry is that many don't know this.

NPR was airing interviews with people that had not heard this.

Thanks for taking the time to post all the links!

[MarineCombatEngineer]

26. Well then, that's the fault of those that don't listen, not Pres. Biden's fault.

He's made it quite clear that he wants the war to stop.

[mysteryowl]

30. But then those are votes we lose.

We can't afford to lose Biden votes

[MarineCombatEngineer]

33. But whose fault is that?

Pres. Biden has made it quite clear and very publicly that he wants the war to stop, the fault lies with those that blame him for Israel's actions.

[mysteryowl]

35. Maybe the media?

I would say that I did not know Pres. Biden wants a stop to the war and I try to keep up on the news.

[EarlG]

41. Partially -- I always think the media could do a better job of informing people -- but

it's also the fact that people can get their own news from whatever sources they like these days, and those sources may not always be reliable.

The links I posted above come from the most mainstream of mainstream sources. The Guardian, NBC News, Times Of Israel, Washington Post, New York Times.

Of course, there is, and always will be, an ongoing debate about the reliability of mainstream news sources. But if you consider yourself to be someone who keeps up with the news, but you've missed the fact that Biden has repeatedly called for a ceasefire, then it might be worth considering that you're consuming news from sources which are deliberately obfuscating this fact.

[RandomNumbers]

44. NPR frequently reports on Trump lies, and makes clear they are lies. If the interview(s) you heard, did not

include the NPR reporter mentioning the FACTS that EarlG links to, then perhaps you could call or write NPR and let them know they whiffed on this one.

I heard a story just this morning about Trump campaigning somewhere and "again" repeating "2020 election was stolen" , and the NPR reporter added something to the effect that these claims have been clearly proven false.

One of the reasons I like NPR a lot, is they add these disclaimers frequently; in my perception, more often than other news outlets. Again, if they missed this time, you should tell them. (I didn't hear the reports that you cite. You could also link to them in your OP, so other people who missed the reports could also complain to NPR.)

[Lonestarblue]

19. Biden can't stop the war in Gaza because he is not the Commander in Chief of the IDF.

But his stance supporting most of what Israel is doing is hurting him politically.

What he can do is take steps to communicate to Netanyahu and to the majority of Israelis who support him that the US has options and will take them. Biden is in a tough position because the AIPAC lobby supports anything Netanyahu wants to do, and they have always been an important factor in Democratic politics.

That said, Biden needs to communicate more strongly and publicly his empathy for what the Gaza Palestinians are going through. He has been strangely quiet on their plight. Some time ago, he did say that the US supports a two-state solution, but he has done nothing, publicly at least, to advance that option. Instead of waiting for Netanyahu to end the war in Gaza, which does not seem to be his plan anytime before our election, the US could announce a coalition to plan for a Palestinian state and start holding meetings. The concern has been that Palestinians do not have leaders for such a state who are not corrupt. Such leaders won’t be found if no one is looking for them or helping train them.

Waiting for Netanyahu is giving him de facto veto power on a Palestinian state. That is wrong. Palestinians deserve a state just as much as Israelis do, but that can only happen with significant support from the US, other Western powers, and nearby Arab nations. Announcing such a coalition now would be helpful while also recognizing the US commitment to a secure Israel. I believe both are possible but not as long as Netanyahu is killing innocent Palestinians and razing their land for future Israeli settlement. That is what has to stop.

And yes Hamas is a problem. Use higher level means to cut off their funding first. Then help the Palestinian people reject them by holding put something better for them—their own state.

[JohnSJ]

20. Those people who won't vote for Biden, remind me of the same ones who wouldn't vote for Hillary in 2016. The stakes are

very clear, and so are the differences, and if these "one issue voters", cannot discern the differences, if their actions cause trump to regain the WH, they deserve everything bad that happens to them.

Those so-called progressives who refused to vote for Hillary by either not voting or voting third party have no remorse or regrets for their actions. They helped give us the Supreme Court we have today, and the overturning of Roe.

In every critical swing state Hillary lost by less than 1%, while in those critical swing states Jill Stein received 1% of the vote in those critical swing states.

It is very difficult to change views of those who lack critical thinking skills, and I think it is a waste of time to try to do so.

The question "Why won't Pres Biden call a stop to the war in Gaza/Israel?"

Why won't Hamas stop the war in Gaza/Israel, and release all the hostages and surrender power?

They were the one's who broke the existing ceasefire.

In addition, as long as Hamas is still fighting against Israel, Israel is not going to stop regardless of what anyone says,

[MarineCombatEngineer]

22. Well, gee, I thought he already had.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/08/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-rafah-ceasefire.html

Did you miss this?
It was all over the news.

Bottom line is that Pres. Biden isn't the leader of Israel, he's the United States of America President, he can't force Nuttyahoo to stop, he can only ask.

[mysteryowl]

27. Then why are college students so upset he doesn't have a strong position on stopping the war?

We need to get a strong message out there so we all know he is against the war.
I guess this is my point. The people interviewed did not know.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

34. You have to ask them, but you seem to be blaming Pres. Biden for not urging Israel to stop the war.

This is nothing more that a bash Pres. Biden thread.
I'm trashing this thread because you're trashing Pres. Biden.

[mysteryowl]

36. This is NOT a trash Biden thread

This is a discussion forum and I asked a question.

If you read the comments you might see that.

[Demsrule86]

58. Yes it is...and you should delete. It is either Biden or Trump thus this sort of thing hurts our Candidate.

[mysteryowl]

63. What comments are against Biden?

It is good for us to talk about things.
This is a discussion forum, right?

[Beastly Boy]

49. Perhaps because these college students are willfully ignorant of what they get upset with?

Or perhaps because being loud is more important to them than being informed?

[Zeitghost]

72. They know he's against the war

What they want is for him to blame everything on Israel and pressure them to bend to Hamas' demands with minimal to no concessions for the Israelis.

They want him to take their Semitic views that Israel and Israel alone has no right to defend itself from terrorist attacks and engage in their slanderous claims of genocide.

[BlueKota]

29. Because he is President Biden of the United States

not Prime Minister Netanyahu of Isreal.

Not to mention the Magats threatened to try and impeach him if he refused to give the money Congress appropriated for Isreal.

Too many of the college students are swayed by propaganda as Hillary Clinton has said.

[mysteryowl]

32. I realize this is the common response.

My concern is losing Biden votes.

[BlueKota]

38. I can only say the ones responding this way were

probably never going to vote for Biden anyway. There are always going to be people who want a non existent perfect candidate.

Frankly I think the biggest concern needs to be the Magats trying to rig the election for Trump anyway they can including violence, or if Biden wins even by a landslide refusing to accept the results and having the majority of the SC side with Trump. This whole "protest" movement is being engineered as a distraction IMHO.

[RandomNumbers]

42. +1000, particularly re: "engineered as a distraction". Nail meet hammer. nt.

[RandomNumbers]

40. Your post might be helpful if you expressed some practical ideas about HOW

Biden could actually do that?

Or maybe change the title to "Why can't Biden call a stop ... " and then make clear in the body of the post, that you are genuinely seeking information about what stops him from doing that.

It's pretty clear to me that what you seem to expect, is something that is completely out of the capability of a U.S. President to actually DO, at this time in history (if it ever would have been possible, which I doubt).

Another good question would be, how do we educate these voters about

* WHY their expectations are unrealistic?
* That Trump would be INFINITELY worse not just for the people in Gaza they claim to care so much about, but also for people here in the U.S.
* understanding what their non-vote for Biden - and their vocalness about him being supposedly responsible for something over which he really has little control - actually means for people HERE. Like their friends and families. Unless of course, they are really Trumpies just play-acting to be "disappointed potential Biden voters". (Of course, whether Trump will be bad for them bears zero relation to whether they think they like him or not, but if they strongly support him at this point, they are beyond reach.)

[Demsrule86]

43. Is he the president of Israel? My advice is stop listening obviously unreliable sources...

[David__77]

45. A practical solution is stop sending arms.

The US of course cannot force Israel’s government to do anything.

It can control its own actions.

[oregonjen]

50. Yes, I agree with that

The young adults in my family equate sending arms to funding a genocide. They don’t want to vote for that, thus sitting out the election is their choice, at least right now.

This isn’t about bashing Biden at all. This is a real issue.

[Beastly Boy]

59. How practical is it for the US?

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Can Biden stop sending Iranian arms to its terrorist proxies bordering Israel at the same time?

What would be the consequences for the US of having a disarmed Israel face Iran, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, Houthis, ISIS, and other terrorist groups bent on Israel's complete destruction?

I doubt that prospects of a nuclear-armed, region-wide Islamic caliphate is a practical solution that would be in the interest of the US.

[Sky Jewels]

76. Israel has also become a terrorist state.

It is committing ethnic cleansing in Gaza. It is beyond clear that its actions have little to do with 10/7. That is being used as an excuse, much as 9/11 was used by Bush-Cheney to plunder Iraq.

[Bad Thoughts]

79. No ethnic cleansing

The number of Palestinian deaths, civilians and combatant, is low, especially after the adjustment of UN numbers. The fact that this is in the context of exclusively urban warfare is nearly miraculous.

The commitment to humanitarian aid is uneven, yes, but complicated by Hamas' own stealing of the aid to control the population and earn profit.

Please, be for peace, but be honest.

[tritsofme]

83. So you believe President Biden supports terrorism? That's interesting.

[underpants]

51. We have long standing foreign policy commitments to Israel

Biden knows these have to be part of dealing with this. Israel probably wouldn’t exist now without our support over the decades.

There’s no easy answer here. We should have the influence to move Israel in that direction but this isn’t a normal Israel. Bibi is both drunk on power right now and desperately trying to avoid being voted out of office.

Biden’s State Department knows how horrible Gaza is. They called it “a man-made starvation” just last week.

[Raven123]

53. If they can't sleep at night over Gaza, they need to tune out the media

or step back and get a wider view of the world. I am not minimizing the tragedy there, but there is tragedy worldwide. The media hyper focuses on single issues neglecting others. I won’t even hazard a guess at their motives.

Those who cannot sleep over this issue may also be victims of propaganda designed to take Biden down. Some of those NPR callers may be among them.

Biden has long been a peace advocate for the Middle East. If those callers think TFG will bring peace to Gaza, they are uninformed, misinformed, or as delusional as TFG

[Shrek]

56. I'd rather he call on Hamas to release hostages and surrender unconditionally

That'd be great.

[mysteryowl]

62. Yes, I would like to hear that too!

[ZonkerHarris]

60. Israel isn't the USA. You're welcome.

[gulliver]

61. We gain votes by supporting Israel

I question whether we lose votes net. Pro-Palestine voters who vote for Trump would be making a mistake similar to Gazan adults who supported (and continue to support) Hamas. Resentment leads one to do self-defeating, self-destroying things.

[Hekate]

69. Biden's magic wand is in the shop for repairs. Israel is not our 51st state, but a sovereign nation.

Hamas is a terrorist group that grew fat off sucking up foreign aid money meant for Palestinians.

Also the magic wand problem.

[Progressive dog]

73. Biden doesn't run Hamas or Israel

Biden is President of the USA, not dictator of the world. I'm certain he is doing what he believes to be right.

[mercuryblues]

74. When was Biden elected President of Israel?

[PCIntern]

77. And while he does that, he can tell Hamas

To stop slaughtering civilians, release living hostages and the remains of the dead ones, and lay down their arms, open up their tunnels, and surrender.

[tritsofme]

78. This is a silly premise. Do you really think if Biden abandoned Israel, that it wouldn't cost him any votes?

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[raccoon]

80. I'm considering starting a thread about why didn't FDR tell Hitler just to stay the fuck away from

other European countries.

[northern light]

86. Who vetoes any condemnation of Israel in the UN?

Maybe let the UN do it's job, might be a good idea. Maybe finally admit that the US is not an honest arbitrator of what happens in the middle east.

[relayerbob]

87. Um, because he can't order them to stop. He has indeed called for a cessation in fighting.

That requires both sides of the conflict to actually care. They don't. And we have stopped delivery of weapons, which the GOP is attempting to override. Perhaps, call in to NPR and set the record straight, re: facts.

[lindysalsagal]

91. Because he'd look like a fool thinking he could stop the world's longest war

The gaza battle started when humans first put boats in the Mediterranean. Back then, they were called Persians.

[Mysterian]

92. Because he's not king of the world?

Just a guess.