In hindsight Al Gore should have fought the Supremes

[malaise]

Just my two cents.
Accepting that Florida theft was a bad idea which has emboldened ReTHUGs

[AllaN01Bear]

1. agree.

[Irish_Dem]

2. He didn't want to put the country through that kind of chaos and turmoil.

And undermine the rule of law and our institutions.

Yes in hindsight it looks quaint and overly polite.

[SoFlaBro]

42. Waaaay too fucking polite. Goddamn polite gets you MAGA and other assorted shit-eating fascist fuckstains.

[Irish_Dem]

54. Yes the GOP wages a brutal war against the US and Americans.

At some point we are going to have to fight back, and fight back hard.

[SoFlaBro]

70. Like "fight" or fucking fight?

[Irish_Dem]

73. gd f fight.

[The Unmitigated Gall]

76. I'm in. nt

[Irish_Dem]

78. My background

is that we don't start fights be we sure as h finish them.

Biden has the same mind set.

[Irish_Dem]

89. It was up to Gore to set the tone. Not Joe Biden.

Not the senate. This was Gore's battle to win or lose.
He chose not to fight.

[GoreWon2000]

91. You couldn't be more wrong!

You also don't seem to understand how the process works for a Congressional election challenge. It was the Congressional Black Caucus who filed the Congressional challenge to the fraudulent Florida vote count and it was the Senate dems responsibility to co-sponsor the challenge so it could be brought to the floor for a Congressional vote. Not 1 Senate dem including Biden would do so to get the challenge to the floor for a vote.
I'm really sick and tired of carpetbaggers who've never lived in Florida and worked on campaigns there thinking they know what happened there. I spent 15 years doing so so I do know. Why are you not putting the blame where it belongs which is with the anti-democracy Bush crime family and their surrogates? Bushthief was a coward who couldn't stand all of the uncounted votes being counted because he knew he would lose if the votes were counted so he got his little brother, Florida campaign co-chair and Dad's cronies on the SCOTUS to steal the election for him with their anti-democracy behavior. What about that ugly reality?

[usaf-vet]

128. I won't be here to see it but my guess would be the historian will point to Bush v Gore as the start down this.....

..... trail of Democracy's destruction.

[GoreWon2000]

84. What do you think he should've done?

You've clearly never lived in Florida and worked on election campaigns there. I spent 15 years doing so. I'm not going to let you blame Al Gore for what the Bush crime family and their surrogates did. You don't have a clue.

[SoFlaBro]

122. You don't have a clue. I've been in Florida for decades. So get your shit correct.

[GoreWon2000]

86. Do you always blame crime victims for what the crimminals do?

FYI, the blame belongs with the Bush crime family and their surrogates Your comment further tells me that you've never lived in Florida and worked on campaigns there. I spent 15 years doing so. You don't have a clue.

[SoFlaBro]

123. You don't have any idea what you are talking about. Welcome to DU. Let's see how this goes.

[intheflow]

65. In hindsight?

Some of us knew he shouldn’t have conceded as it happened in real time.

[Irish_Dem]

67. Yes I was one of them.

But then again I am a fight like hell person when the chips are down.

[GoreWon2000]

87. Coward Senate dems didn't share your view

and they all hid in their cushy, ivory Washington offices and looked the other way. What about that?

[GoreWon2000]

82. Should he have started a civil war?

Why are you ignoring the coward Senate dems who abandoned him?

[GoreWon2000]

85. Spoken like someone with no Florida campaign experience

Out of state carpetbaggers are clueless about what happened in Florida. The blame belongs to the Bush crime family and their surrogates.

[GreenWave]

77. Jack Ruby's defense of killing Oswald was not to put Jackie and the USA through that as well.

After the repugs (Tom DeLay in particular) sent congressional staffers down to FL to disrupt the recount, that was the time for the fuck that shit message.

And why did W's Texas get to decide which Floridians get scrubbed? (I hear tell they did this in Georgia too,,)

[Irish_Dem]

79. Yes that was the story line.

I happen to believe another version of realty when it comes to the murder of JFK.

Right, the election was up in the air, the GOP seized the moment and acted like they won.
Just made it up out of thin air.

We did nada about it.

[GoreWon2000]

83. Why are you ignoringthe Bush crime family and their surrogates, they're the thieves!

[Model35mech]

3. The slippery slope was sort hung on a chad that was plain to see at the time...

the GOP sent senior people down to FLA to harass them as they tried to make sense out of nonesense claims.

[RandomNumbers]

17. Yup ... the "Brooks Brothers Riot"

I remember it well

[AloeVera]

109. It was so disgusting.

Jerks and assholes in suits and ties, killing off democracy and the best chance we had to beat climate change, prevent endless wars, rise of Trump and maga....

I wanted so badly for Gore and the Dems to fight it.

[malaise]

118. Same here

Still disturbs me

[GoreWon2000]

45. Florida had a remedy for counting machine unreadable ballots

Having spent 15 years volunteering on election campaigns when I live in Florida, I can tell you that Florida election law in 2000 allowed for the hand duplication and counting of ballots that the counting machines couldn't read where the intent of the voter is clear and required the county election supervisors to keep detailed records of every ballot counted in this manner. This law applied to all ballots. The ugly truth is that 10,000 absentee ballots from the most heavily republican voting counties that the counting machines couldn't read that favored Bushthief by 2 to 1were in fact hand duplicated and counted. They're in the Jeb/Harris fraudulent vote total. While Bushthief claimed publicly that he was against counting ballots by hand, but he never objected to the hand counting of these absentee ballots. Back in 2000, and before, absentee ballots always skewed rethug.
A good look at dimpled ballots cast in heavily democratic voting counties showed that the intent of the voter was in fact clear. Florida law required such ballots to be counted. There's much more to this but I'll leave it here for now.

[GoreWon2000]

92. Florida had a remedy for counting unreadable ballots

You don't understand that Florida election law allowed for the hand duplication and counting of ballots where the intent of the voter is clear that the counting machines couldn't read and required the county election supervisors to keep detailed records of the ballots counted in this manner. This law was not followed in the largest and most heavily democratic voting counties because Bushthief claimed to oppose hand counts. In contrast 10,000 absentee ballots located in the most heavily republican voting counties that the counting machines couldn't read were in fact had duplicated and counted. These ballots favored Bushthief by more than 2 to 1 and are in the Jeb/Harris vote count. Bushthief never objected to the had duplication and counting of these GOP absentee ballots.
The Miami Herald in its post election book, "Democracy held hostage" showed a picture of a dimpled chad and the intent of that voter was clear. The punch card ballot counting machines had not been properly cleaned out after previous elections making it impossible for voters to punch through the ballot. The voters did the best they could with what they'd been given. These democratic ballots that the counting machines couldn't read should've been hand duplicated and counted just like the GOP absentee ballots that the counting machines couldn't read had been hand duplicated and counted. Bushthief's father's cronies on the SCOTUS made sure they weren't counted in order to install Bushthief.

[jimfields33]

111. That magnifying picture of the guy trying to figure out the punches was a horrible optics picture.

It was shown day in and day out.

[gay texan]

5. Yep.

W bush was "selected"

[no_hypocrisy]

6. NYC had at least two liberal radio stations in 2000.

To my dismay, a majority of hosts maintained that the election was over and it was time to move on. Callers would flood the lines, begging them to change their minds. The hosts supported the concept that it was more important to perpetuate American democracy rather than pursue a controversial venture such as challenging the US Supreme Court.

In hindsight, MAYBE if enough listeners had gone on to fight the results of the election, both radio stations would have remained on the air. I feel that everyone felt so deflated that we reluctantly moved on.

[GoreWon2000]

46. Corporate and progressive media were AWOL in 2000

and they're still AWOL about this in 2024.

[edhopper]

7. How

Would the Florida Courts gone against the SC and ordered a recount? Would Florida gone along?

[GoreWon2000]

47. Florida Supreme Court ruled to count the ballots

It was the corrupt GOP SCOTUS majority who then overruled the Florida court by stopping the legal Florida vote count in order to install Bushthief

[edhopper]

61. And The Florida Court

would have to go against the SC. They wouldn't have. Gore's only option was Congress, which was very iffy.

[Grins]

8. Fought who and how?

Supremes ruled. It was over.

[MyOwnPeace]

33. True 'Dat!

The only way to ‘fight’ their ruling would have been congressional action (not really sure, maybe even a two-thirds majority?) and signed by the President (and WHO is the President at that point?).

[MOMFUDSKI]

9. Rethugs have always counted on Dems to be

civil. Still do. We must bring a bazooka to any fight here out.

[onenote]

39. So you think Gore should have orchestrated an insurrection.

Okee-dokee

[GoreWon2000]

48. Congressional dems other than CBC abandoned Gore in 2000

and I agree that the Congressional dems are still out to lunch in 2024.

[NNadir]

10. And of course, there was the "Bush is the same as Gore" crowd who gave us Alito.

I very much think that a medieval religious bigot working to destroy the US constitution like Alito is doing on the stacked court would have been appointed by Gore.

[malaise]

12. THIS

Rec

[ShazzieB]

27. Did you leave out a word?

I very much think that a medieval religious bigot working to destroy the US constitution like Alito is doing on the stacked court would have been appointed by Gore.

Shouldn't this say that someobe like Alito would NOT have been appointed by Gore?

[NNadir]

31. In the literal sense, yes.

[ShazzieB]

32. Was that meant sarcastically?

It didn't come off that way to me at the time, but on second thought, I can see how that could have been the intention.

[GoreWon2000]

49. Thank Nader for the Gore is the same as Bushthief big lie!

[intheflow]

66. As a Nader voter in a reliably blue state

(which is why I voted for him, I would have voted for Gore had I lived somewhere less blue), I will say it wasn’t Gore who turned me off, it was his DINO running mate, Lieberman. That man is a troll, which has been confirmed in the years since, such as his departure from the Democratic Party and his stumping for the McCain/Palin ticket.

[GoreWon2000]

95. Your Nader got Rethug help and campaigned in crucial states like Florida

Your Nader was campaigning in Miami the weekend before the 2000 election spreading his big lie and running TV ads paid for by the Rethug leadership council that there were no differences between Al Gore and Bushthief. It was Nader's big lie that siphoned off enough crucial votes for Al Gore in Florida that made it possible for Bushthief to get close enough to have his little brother, Florida campaign co-chair and his Dad's cronies on the SCOTUS steal the election for him. Does Nader really think Al Gore would've appointed Alito to the SCOTUS? Nader knew exactly what he was doing and our country will pay forever for it. Are you not aware of the $5miilion that Nader got from the rethugs to run TV ads in crucial states like Florida spreading his big lie that there were no differences between Al Gore and Bushthief? I hope Nader fries in hell for all eternity for what he did to our country.

[enough]

11. I felt that way at the time. The media was playing it as business as usual

when it was obviously a full blown constitutional crisis. And he was being pressured by many Democrats to capitulate.

[GoreWon2000]

50. Corporate media was totally in Bushthief's corrupt pocket

The corporate media made it totally clear in 2000 that they don't support democracy while most of the dems hid in their cushy, ivory Washington towers. None other than then DNC chair Ed Rendell urged Gore to abandon his fight to have the uncounted votes counted. I'll remember what Rendell did forever. Only the Congressional Black Caucus understood what was going on and it's why they filed the challenge to the fraudulent Florida vote count that not 1 dem in the U.S. Senate would co-sponsor.

[shrike3]

64. The media did not report the NAACP hearing which found blatant examples of fraud.

They preferred to report on hanging chads and butterfly ballots. So much more fun and entertaining.

[GoreWon2000]

96. The media totally blew the post election coverage

The media made no effort to report the fact that Florida had a remedy for counting ballots that the counting machines couldn't read and they made no effort to report what an illegal ballot design the butterfly ballot actually was.

[shrike3]

97. Absolutely. Absolutely.

A black minister reported that only half the ballot boxes at his church's polling place were picked up. One of the ones picked up ended up in a Miami hotel room.

[AloeVera]

121. That was the real stolen election.

Bothers me to this day.

[onecaliberal]

13. Absolutely!!

[Hekate]

14. Hindsight is always 20-20, or so we imagine. Sometimes it's just wishful thinking.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

15. How could Al Gore have fought the Supremes?

They are the final say in this country, there is no fighting them, once the ruling is made, that's it, its done.
Unless you meant these Supremes.

[onenote]

16. How? By challenging members of the Court to a duel?

Waiting for anyone who agrees with the OP to explain how Gore should have fought the Supreme Courts decision

[LisaM]

19. Yes, it went all the way up.

I guess he could have filed a different lawsuit.

Not only did it give us Alito - it probably have prevented 9/11, since I think Al Gore would have bothered to read the Gore Commission report on airport security.

[GoreWon2000]

98. Gore filed the lawsuits he needed to file

It was the anti-democracy GOP SCOTUS majority that refused to allow all the votes to be counted because it meant that their preferred candidate Bushthief would lose.

[LisaM]

110. Talk about justices who should have recused themselves.

Scalia's son at the law firm that represented Bush. Rehnquist's daughter ending up with a government job. O'Connor griping that she couldn't retire if Gore became President. Ginni Thomas on the Bush inauguration committee.

[LeftInTX]

18. He did and he lost...

After losing at the SC was he supposed to organize a militia type coup to physically overthrow them. Throw them in prison, replace them, and then get his way??

How on earth was this supposed to happen???

He did fight. To assume he didn't is not accurate.

[czarjak]

105. The SC was already rigged enough to pull-off that sham election.

"We get to create our own reality." Bush's Brain knew it. Knaves be damned. Secret Society Deep States are designed to work that way.

[FBaggins]

20. So much for hindsight being 20/20 - nt

[jaxexpat]

21. It's become their go-to modus operandi, suitable for every occasion.

[Evolve Dammit]

22. No doubt. And those mf'ers bussed down from DC to stop the recount

Including Stone and Bolton, should have been charged with disrupting an election, which they effectively did.

[malaise]

23. THIS

Rec

[Farmer-Rick]

24. First Gore should never have

Conceded so easily, right after the traitors on the court had ruled. That right there took away any standing in court.

Then he could have filed again with the State Supreme Court for 100% hand recount instead of just a few select districts. That December 12 deadline the dancing Supremes had pushed out could have been challenged Or he could have filed for an extension of the deadline....something courts do every day.

The dancing Supremes only ruled on a partial hand recount and NOT on other possibilities in the election. And that 12 December crap was bs that could have been pushed back if a re-vote was ordered by the Florida state supremes.

Gore could have used the law like a battering ram much like Trump does today. The difference is Gore had the truth on his side.

All the while Democrats could have called for a march as a show of support for a fair vote count.

A large crowd of Gore supporters would have had a lot influence on politicians and judges.

[GoreWon2000]

52. You don't understand Florida election law

Florida election law in 2000 did not allow for a statewide count of uncounted votes. The counties were responsible for counting the votes so any vote total dispute had to be filed with the counties. The Gore campaign filed disputes in the counties with the most uncounted votes. The Florida Supreme court then ruled to count the uncounted votes. That vote count was proceeding when the corrupt GOP SCOTUS majority stepped in to stop it and install Bushthief against the will of the people..

[Farmer-Rick]

62. Actually in 2000, Florida State law Did allow for it

Due to the narrow margin of the original vote count, Florida Election Code 102.141 mandated a statewide machine recount, which began the day after the election.

But later analysis showed that a total of 18 counties—accounting for a quarter of all votes cast in Florida—did not carry out the legally mandated machine recount.

So Gore needed to push for a full legally mandated recount.

[GoreWon2000]

90. Again, you're not correct about Florida election law

The mandatory recount was for ballots that the counting machines had already read and counted. It didn't include counting ballots that the counting machines could not read and had not counted. It was Harris's job to make sure that the counties did the mandatory recount of the already counted ballots and failed to do so. You don't understand that the real fight was over ballots that the counting machines couldn't read and never counted. Challenges in this circumstance are filed in the counties and not with the state. There was no mechanism in Florida law for a statewide count of the ballots that were not read and counted by the counting machines. The Gore campaign followed Florida law and filed their vote disputes with the counties and the local court rulings got appealed up the court ladder to the Florida Supreme Court. It was when the Florida Supreme Court ruled to count the uncounted votes that had never been counted that Bushthief went running to his father's cronies on the SCOTUS and they stopped the vote count. The Florida election laws that the GOP SCOTUS shredded in order to install Bushthief had been on the books in Florida for about a century by 2000. Jeb and Harris manufactured a dispute where there really wasn't one.
I'll further add that Al Gore publicly offered to drop the county lawsuits if Bushthief would allow for a statewide count of the uncounted ballots. Bushthief refused. I think Bushthief's refusal to count all of the votes speaks volumes. He was well aware that most of the uncounted votes were in the largest and most heavily democratic counties which meant he would lose if they were counted.

[Polybius]

127. Well why would Bush want them all counted if he was ahead?

I know I wouldn't, because then I might have lost. I wouldn't have agreed to it, would you?

[Farmer-Rick]

130. Look it up. Florida Election Code 102.141

Check the dates when it was passed. It was very simple. Gore wanted to follow state law. Bush did not want to follow state law.

Also Florida state law at the time allowed a candidate to request a manual recount by protesting the results of at least three precincts.

There were many provisions for recounts in Florida state law in 2000. Bush did not want to allow the law to be followed because it would show he lost. The idiots on the supremes ignored law and precedent. Gore should have challenged it.

[LiberaBlueDem]

25. We coulda had a great country

Had Gore fought harder for his election

[Skittles]

26. there would have been no Iraq war too

it absolutely disgusted me that the SC literally CHOSE the fucking president - you know, JUST FOR THAT ONE TIME

[oasis]

114. For sure no war and I'm

pretty certain no 9/11.

[a kennedy]

28. Damn right......I always thought he was a mister nice guy and wouldn't ruffle feathers.

Damn Al......ya shoulda gone the distance.

[Zeitghost]

37. Could you expand on what you mean by "shoulda gone the distance"?

He took it to the Supreme Court. That's "going the distance".

[a kennedy]

40. Right, but didn't he just, and sorry for saying this, lay down after the ruling.....

couldn’t he have come up with more??

[Zeitghost]

69. More what?

There is nowhere to appeal a SCotUS ruling. That's as high as our legal system goes.

[a kennedy]

72. Right, guess tRump's BS is just stuck in my brain.

[MagickMuffin]

94. George Bush interfered by going to the Supreme Court

Al Gore was filing with the state court.


The supreme court decided the election of 2000.

[MagickMuffin]

93. I believe it is and will always be Bush v Gore

Gore only went to the state courts. W knew how to win the ultimate battle.

[GoreWon2000]

80. Stop blaming Gore for Bush election theft!

As someone who spent 15 years volunteering on election campaigns when I lived in Florida, I'm really sick of carpetbaggers who've never lived in Florida and worked on campaigns in Florida continuing to blame Al Gore for the behavior of the Bush crime family and their surrogates. You don't have a clue.

[unblock]

29. First, he did fight it all the way to the Supreme Court. Something after? Are you suggesting a coup?

Plus, republicans had other ways to screw him.

The controlled Florida so the legislature and/or the Secretary of State could have refused to certify or otherwise not sent gore electors to the electoral college.

Or the Republican house could have not counted them. Or dispute them and resolved by voting for trump because they had a majority of the state delegations.

As long as republicans don't care about the actual will of the people, they could easily foil it in a number of ways.

[JohnSJ]

30. and just how was he going to do that? The mistake made was NADER and those who said "a vote for Gore

is a vote for bush", and encouraged people to vote for nader.

[IbogaProject]

34. The mistake was not asking for a full state recount

By only asking for sone countys to be recounted he opened himself up to the legal shenagans the GOP pulled b

[GoreWon2000]

44. You don't understand Florida election law

Having spent 15 years volunteering on election campaigns when I lived in Florida, I know Florida election law well. The counties counted the votes. Candidates who ran statewide in 2000 had the right to challenge the vote totals in any counties where they disagreed with the vote totals. The Gore campaign followed Florida election law to the letter and fileddisputes in the counties where there were the most uncounted votes and as a result they disputed the Jeb/Harris vote totals. The counties where there were the most uncounted votes turned out to be the largest and most heavily democratic voting counties in Florida. Bushthief had the same right but chose not to file any disputed because most of the uncounted votes were located in the most heavily democratic voting counties and Bushthief knew he would lose if all of the uncounted votes were counted as Florida law required.
The effort by the Bush crime family to steal the 2000 Presidential election in Florida actually started in 1999, well before election day 2000. Multiple violations of Florida law were carried out by both Jeb and Harris before and after election day. In contrast, the Gore campaign followed Florida election law to the letter at every turn.

[LeftInTX]

35. Somebody tried that already

[GoreWon2000]

100. Trump throwing out votes copying Bush not Gore!

Please don't in any way associate the orange turd tRump's anti-democracy efforts to throw out millions of legal votes with Al Gore's efforts to have thousands of legal but uncounted Florida votes counted.

[Zeitghost]

36. How to say:

"I don't understand the American judicial system" without saying "I don't understand the American judicial system".

The case went as high as it could possibly go. The only other possible way to take office would have been by violence. Is the OP suggesting a Jan 6 reaction would have been the correct course of action?

[Baitball Blogger]

38. I suspect that 9/11 is the reason that everything stopped in its tracks.

I'm referring to the vote count that was being performed by the papers, trying to confirm that the vote would have gone to GWB. I suspect that when we got hit by 9/11, the hidden hand decided that we needed to galvanize the country and I never trusted the result count that resulted in a win for GWB II, by something like 537 votes. Especially when there was suspicious behavior in the Seminole County elections office.

[karynnj]

41. How? There was no plce to fight it

Gore was a genuine public servant patriot who would not lead a revolution against the Supreme Court.

[GoreWon2000]

43. Stop blaming Gore for Bush election theft!

As someone who spent 15 years volunteering on election campaigns when I lived in Florida, I'm really sick and tired of people who've never lived in Florida and worked on election campaigns there blaming Al Gore for what Bush thief and his father's corrupt cronies on the SCOTUS did to thwart the will of the people and steal the 2000 election. For starters, you should be focusing your anger on the U.S. Senate democrats all of whom refused to co-sponsor the Congressional Black Caucus's challenge to the fraudulent Florida vote count. Where were they when democracy was on the line? They hid in their cushy, ivory Washington towers instead of defending we the people's right to vote.Most Congressional dems today are just as clueless as they were in 2000 about democracy being under attack by the rethugs.

[0rganism]

51. That was definitely a major turning point for the nation

A lot of things play out so different if President Gore: 9-11 terror attack likely foiled, no invasions of Afghanistan or Iraq, national priorities focused on solving global crises and preserving the future of the biosphere as we know it, a totally different set of SCOTUS and circuit court judicial appointments, just for starters. And who can say what else might have been achieved? I'm fairly certain a lot of the "sane" timelines for our planet branched away from ours with Gore's concession.

[Mike Niendorff]

53. 12/12/2000 -- *THAT* was the day the coup actually began.

Been saying this for over 20 years now.

The failure to stand up to that supreme criminal act in 2000 laid the groundwork for everything that has come after.


MDN

[malaise]

57. THIS

Rec

[GoreWon2000]

101. Blame anti-democracy Bushthief not Gore!

It was the anti-democracy Bushthief who was a coward because he knew he would lose if all of the uncounted votes were counted. This is where the blame belongs.

[betsuni]

55. Republicans are always "emboldened." Ideology. Was Florida theft proven in a way to take legal action?

"Fight" how? How does anyone not directly involved know exactly what happened behind the scenes? Why assume what Gore didn't do what he "should have" done? Why blame Gore?

[Patton French]

56. What, specifically, should he have done?

It was horrible, but there’s no appeal above SCOTUS.

[Mike Niendorff]

58. At this point, there WAS a real dispute.

For starters, any Democratic Senator could have joined in the objection to Florida's electors. ANY OF THEM.

Secondly, investigations into corruption on the SCOTUS could have started THE NEXT DAY. Followed by impeachment and prosecution of five Justices for conspiracy to commit election fraud.

If you think that sounds extreme, remember everything that was enabled by allowing that corruption of the Court to stand.

The Iraq War, the gutting of the Voting Rights Act, the unleashing of floods of dark money to further corrupt our elections, massive Republican gerrymandering to rig elections even further, the FURTHER packing of the SCOTUS, the end of Roe v Wade, thousands of migrant kids ripped from their parents and then "lost", an organized fascist mob attacking our Capitol on 1/6/21 as part of a full-blown attempted fascist coup, fraudulent electors, mafia-state deals for Trump's children and associates ...

This is what happens when you don't stop a cancer early. It metastasizes and grows. Eventually, it WILL kill you.


MDN

[malaise]

60. THIS

I still scream about Florida

[Ruby Soho]

71. And then what?

I may have missed your end game in the post but I don't believe I did. What, out of anything, did you state that would have changed the outcome?

If a senator signed onto the objection of Florida's votes, we'd see what we saw for fours ago: it would go to debate with both the House and Senate and then both chambers would vote on either tossing the electors or not. To toss a state's electors BOTH chambers need a MAJORITY to do so.

Democrats briefly held a majority in the US Senate, as Al Gore was still VP and the Senate was tied (it would flip to the Republicans when Cheney became VP) but did not hold a majority in the House.

Assuming every Democrat in the Senate votes to toss the electors (doubtful that would have happened), you'd still need a majority of the House, and while the Republicans had a slim majority - they had a majority nonetheless. So, more improbable that you'd find a majority of House members to toss those electors since there would have to be crossover from the Republicans.

Okay, so next you go toward impeachment of the justices. Who triggers that? The Speaker at the time was Dennis Hastert. Do you believe he would have taken up impeachment?

None of what you say was going to happen, so what was Al Gore supposed to do? Whether there was a real dispute isn't the question. It's what more Al Gore could have done to fight the Supreme Court ruling.

[onenote]

74. Or he could have made pinatas of the justices and whacked at them with a bat.

Last edited Sun May 19, 2024, 02:59 PM - Edit history (1)

It would have been as successful in changing the outcome as anything you suggest.

[GoreWon2000]

103. Thanks for exposing Congressional dems failures

You're exactly right to finally blame the Congressional dems for their failure to act to stop the Bushthief coup. The Congressional Black Caucus proved that they were the only ones who understood what was happening and tried to do something about it. They got no help from their dem colleagues and now our country is on the verge of becoming a dictatorship. The clueless dems who did nothing is 2000 are just as clueless now. Our country is paying a terrible price for their failure to act in 2000. This is particularly true for women as you also noted with the overturning of Roe vs Wade.

[tritsofme]

107. Didn't Gore himself discourage congressional Democrats from objecting?

[malaise]

119. This needs in-depth research and analysis

All options need to be examined.

[Oopsie Daisy]

59. Oh yes... blame-a-Democrat! That'll help... *

* NOT!

A more enlightened and thoughtful approach would be to look back and realize that this started with Nixon and Ford's pardon of Nixon. Not holding him, the President of the United States, accountable for his CRIMES was the beginning.

[GoreWon2000]

106. Dems failure to act in 2000 have brought us to now

I certainly agree with you that Ford's pardon of Nixon was a disaster because at the heart of Watergate was Nixon election stealing. It certainly emboldened the Bush crime family. The Congressional dems refusal to act to stop it is how we got to today. The truth about Bushthief's theft of the 2000 election is very ugly. It's been long overdue to hold the Congrssional dems who refused to act to stop it for their failure to act as well.

[JustAnotherGen]

68. Diana Ross

Would have won that fight.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

75. I was headed to Florida for the recount when Bush v. Gore came down

I did go to Florida in 2004 as part of the Kerry Edwards voter protection efforts and have been working on voter protection efforts ever since.

I disagree. The reason why Gore lost was Nader and idiots like Michael Moore.

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Remember that Nader was funded by Karl Rove in 2000 and 2004 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-zuesse/ralph-nader-was-indispens_b_4235065.html

Furthermore, Karl Rove and the Republican Party knew this, and so they nurtured and crucially assisted Nader’s campaigns, both in 2000 and in 2004. On 27 October 2000, the AP’s Laura Meckler headlined “GOP Group To Air Pro-Nader TV Ads.” She opened: “Hoping to boost Ralph Nader in states where he is threatening to hurt Al Gore, a Republican group is launching TV ads featuring Nader attacking the vice president [Mr. Gore]. ... ‘Al Gore is suffering from election year delusion if he thinks his record on the environment is anything to be proud of,’ Nader says [in the commercial]. An announcer interjects: ‘What’s Al Gore’s real record?’ Nader says: ‘Eight years of principles betrayed and promises broken.’” Meckler’s report continued: “A spokeswoman for the Green Party nominee said that his campaign had no control over what other organizations do with Nader’s speeches.” Bush’s people - the group sponsoring this particular ad happened to be the Republican Leadership Council - knew exactly what they were doing, even though the liberal suckers who voted so carelessly for Ralph Nader obviously did not. Anyone who drives a car the way those liberal fools voted, faces charges of criminal negligence, at the very least. But this time, the entire nation crashed as a result; not merely a single car.....

On July 9th, the San Francisco Chronicle headlined “GOP Doners Funding Nader: Bush Supporters Give Independent’s Bid a Financial Lift,” and reported that the Nader campaign “has received a recent windfall of contributions from deep-pocketed Republicans with a history of big contributions to the party,” according to “an analysis of federal records.” Perhaps these contributors were Ambassador Egan’s other friends. Mr. Egan’s wife was now listed among the Nader contributors. Another listed was “Nijad Fares, a Houston businessman, who donated $200,000 to the Bush inaugural committee and who donated $2,000 each to the Nader effort and the Bush campaign this year.” Furthermore, Ari Berman reported 7 October 2004 at the Nation, under “Swift Boat Veterans for Nader,” that some major right-wing funders of a Republican smear campaign against Senator John Kerry’s Vietnam service contributed also $13,500 to the Nader campaign, and that “the Republican Party of Michigan gathered ninety percent of Nader’s signatures in their state” (90%!) to place Nader on the ballot so Bush could win that swing state’s 17 electoral votes. Clearly, the word had gone out to Bush’s big contributors: Help Ralphie boy! In fact, on 15 September 2005, John DiStaso of the Manchester Union-Leader, reported that, “A year ago, as the Presidential general election campaign raged in battleground state New Hampshire, consumer advocate Ralph Nader found his way onto the ballot, with the help of veteran Republican strategist David Carney and the Carney-owned Norway Hill Associates consulting firm.”

It was obvious, based upon the 2000 election results, that a dollar contributed to Nader in the 2004 contest would probably be a more effective way to achieve a Bush win against Kerry in the U.S. Presidential election than were perhaps even ten dollars contributed to Bush. This was a way of peeling crucial votes off from Bush’s real opponent - votes that otherwise would have gone to the Democrat. That’s why the smartest Republican money in the 2004 Presidential election was actually going to Nader, even more so than to Bush himself: these indirect Bush contributions provided by far the biggest bang for the right-wing buck.

[betsuni]

124. +1

[tritsofme]

88. Right? Maybe he could have enlisted a mob to storm the capitol on 1/6 and seize power!!

This is just nonsense. What are you actually suggesting Gore could have/should have done?

[Oopsie Daisy]

132. Yes. Exactly.

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[LetMyPeopleVote]

133. Al Gore was VP and could have done what TFG wanted Pence to do

According to Eastman and TFG, VP Al Gore could have declared himself the winner. Luckily VP Gore believes in the Constitution and did not do this

[MagickMuffin]

99. I remember when VP Gore walked out with his family to concede

I remember how pale they looked and to me looked kinda scared.

I thought at the time someone got to him. Made silent threats to Al’s family. You know back in the day of the Bush regime, you threatened people covertly. Fast forward 24 years and you have a failed x president that openly rallies to execute the current president.

You no longer have to worry about the quiet part out loud stuff.

Because of Mr. PigStuff who do you think you are? Mr. PigStuff you’re never gonna break our hearts!

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[dlk]

102. Chaos then or even more more chaos now

Republicans were only emboldened from their theft of the 2000 election and look where we are now.

[GoreWon2000]

108. Time to hold Congressional dems accountable for their failure to act in 2000

Other than the Congressional Black Caucus, the rest of the Congressional dems hid in their cushy, ivory Washington offices and looked the other way while Bushthief stole the 2000 election. It's long overdue for them to be called out about their failure to act.

[rsdsharp]

104. How does one fight the Supreme Court?

Please include citations to the Constitution, statutory and case law in your answer.

[Jacson6]

112. It wouldn't have made a difference

The AP & Newspapers in Florida during 2000 did a count of ballots twice and each time Bush was ahead by about 500 votes.

[cilla4progress]

113. Agree 100%!

And Obama should have fought Sen. Turtle about appointing Garland to rhe Supreme Court.

How, I do not know.

They really need we the people to show up.

[tritsofme]

115. There is absolutely nothing more Obama could have done, these ridiculous myths need to die.

[cilla4progress]

116. Not a myth.

My personal opinion, and I'll nurse it as long as I like, thank you very much.

[tritsofme]

125. Well it's not true. There is nothing else he could have done, regardless of how you feel.

[cilla4progress]

126. Hmmm..

Is that a universal conclusion?

[tritsofme]

129. Definitely not! Plenty of folks love their fairy tales where Obama could have done "something"

It’s just that no one has coherently elucidated what that “something” is.

It is just cheap and misplaced criticism of President Obama. McConnell is wholly and totally responsible.

[betsuni]

131. "Democrats don't fight" myths, some sort of moral passionate populist "fighting" spirit they could've, should've,

would've had and overcome anything in a superhero way if they weren't (insulting innuendoes on their character and motives follow).

[malaise]

117. Agree

Time needs to be spent resolving what else could have been done. Some useful suggestions are on this thread

[hadEnuf]

120. Figuratively speaking, there should have been blood in the streets when that happened.

I was saying that 23 years ago. Couldn't believe the soft coup was accepted by the country, or by the Democrats for that matter.
Hate to say it, but a lot of faith was lost when that went down.

And I agree, we are in the crap we are in today in a very large part due to not fighting the SCOTUS and GOP over it.