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And that is what those women should have been told: "It's YOUR life." That prick was way out of line. If we don't call this stuff out, if there are no consequences and pushback, and if we don't tell them to stay in their damn lane, this crap will continue for more generations. And what a shame. What a goddamned shame. And speaking of 'God,' what deity worth worshipping would say, insinuate, believe, or teach that is the purpose of half the human population on Earth? None that I want anything to do with, for sure. Whether God said such things as Butker and other men claim God said or men interpret God's alleged words as they want to hear them is up for debate. I lean heavily toward the latter, though, since the world's major religions are subject only to patriarchal interpretation. It is a spirit-crushing meat grinder that needs to end. If I wanted to have any relationship with God, I'd have to first get around all that. It's a hell of a mountain range to climb to see if a God is worth having a relationship with on the other side.
These men are obstacles to, not interpreters of God. How dare they believe they have any right to that or girls' or women's bodies, dreams, spirits, lives, careers, and ambitions? Who the hell do they think they are?
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tornado34jh
(1,527 posts)I think that the ones who want to force birth and all that probably are some of the ones who are the least responsible. They go after these women, the woman gives birth, and they then go on to see other women and leave the previous one left to fend for herself. Repeat the cycle. I remember when Rolanda Hollis, when Alabama put abortion restrictions, proposed a bill that would require vasectomies for men. Of course it never went anywhere, but it was meant to prove a point. People hated her because they thought she was misandric. It showed where their priorities lie.
CousinIT
(12,541 posts)tornado34jh
(1,527 posts)It's funny we criticize Islamic jihadists for being horrible to women, yet these fundamentalist Christians actually have a lot in common with them.
CousinIT
(12,541 posts)... the American Taliban.
tornado34jh
(1,527 posts)They would fit right in. They get so triggered when the truth is thrown at them.
Layzeebeaver
(2,286 posts)Not the cellular energy production kind of thing…
But, The destroy society and rebuild a biblical regressionist society kind of thing.
The American taliban party or “ATP” for short.
I place this three letter acronym into the ether for all to use freely!!!
The thing I've noticed with orthodox Muslim women and fundamentalist Christian women, is you could usually identify them by the restrictive dress. Their husbands often wore western style clothes, khaki pants with polo shirts or suits and ties, but the women had a "uniform".
As a woman, I've find it very offensive. It is like the women are marked as "owned", but the men have a great deal of freedom.
tornado34jh
(1,527 posts)But all this is a reason why religion should never be part of a government. Many countries in Europe are religious, but most keep it separate from the government (e.g. UK, Germany, Netherlands, Ireland, Belgium, France). When was the last time you ever heard of a theocracy ever been free? It wasn't under the Puritans, that's for sure.
PatSeg
(53,214 posts)And it would seem that often, they are "free" for some people, but not everyone.
tornado34jh
(1,527 posts)A lot of it is financial. It is more expensive now than ever. The time they think it should be (i.e. prior to the 19th amendment) isn't what the reality is today. The wages aren't catching up to the prices. More often than not, both men and women are at work, sometimes with several jobs, to make ends meet. The reality is, it's getting rarer, at least in the US, to find places where only men have jobs now, especially with rising prices. Another thing to keep in mind, and this is the hypocrisy of the whole thing. If you really believed everything that the Bible says, you would have to forgo everything modern, including your guns, since none of that existed at that time. That football player would have to forgo everything he has, including likely expensive houses, cars, etc. So really most of these people forcing religion on us would never do that because they are too hypocritical and it would cause them to lose a lot of power.
PatSeg
(53,214 posts)cherry pick what they want from the bible to serve their own needs and wants. They either ignore the other stuff or come up with some convoluted story to make it work.
Many years ago in Texas, one Baptist minister insisted to me that Jesus NEVER drank wine. It was actually fruit juice. He left my house unsettled and shaking his head. I don't remember what all I said, but clearly stuff he hadn't heard before. Meanwhile, my husband cracked up when they were gone. Needless to say, he never returned. Thank god, as all that damn "saving" was about to kill me!
SharonAnn
(14,173 posts)
Lonestarblue
(13,480 posts)A woman who has several kids, no work experience, and an abusive husband is more likely to stay with that husband because she has no economic resources to support herself. Or the woman who gets traded in for a younger model who is fced with no college degree and finding a first-time job at age 50–not impossible but not very easy either.
I’ve long believed that much of the anti-abortion motivation is to deny as many women as possible the opportunity to attend college, to keep them out of the workplace so less competition for men, and to prevent them from gaining economic independence. That’s what patriarchy is.
Farmer-Rick
(12,667 posts)For men to use pregnancy, childbirth and children as tools to trap women in economically destructive relationships. The 40 year old who cons the 20 something girl to be a stay at home wife then pop out a couple
of babies, has effectively tied her to him or doomed her to a life of poverty. And it doesn't just have to be creepy old men. And frequently the added burden of financial support for the family is added to the woman's workload.
In this abusive situation, the guy gets free sex, free housecleaning, free meals and free child raising, while the woman gets a lifetime of servitude. Not the marriage I would ever want but it's something some idiot men think is their right.
Fewer and fewer women are willing to put up with this arrangement anymore, thank gods.
It stems from the slavery of women and the development of agriculture. More and more scholars are discovering that women were the original slaves.
Not only could they be easily abused because of their smaller size and more submissive temperament but their need to attend to their children made them especially vulnerable.
In enslaving women men got a 2 for. Not only did they get free labor, they got a sex partner and baby machine.
There were ancient societies where there was no word for male slave. The word slave meant women because female slavery was so fundamental to the society.
And out of this, the Bible was written. A misogynistic, imaginary god was created, who kept women as slaves.
Lonestarblue
(13,480 posts)Farmer-Rick
(12,667 posts)The bible comes from a tradition of men using women as the original slaves.
I can't imagine wanting a relationship with a slave instead of an equal partner. But it seems a lot of immature, hateful and lazy men do.
Just to add that not all early agriculture societies used women as slaves. It seems to be peculiar to certain areas.
tornado34jh
(1,527 posts)That being said, however, out of the approximately 4000-10,000 religions (the amount depends on the source you use), organized religion is the worst, particularly with the Abrahamic religions. But other religions such as Hinduism (look at what is going on in India) and Buddhism also can have religious nut jobs, even those are not strictly speaking organized religions.
CousinIT
(12,541 posts)i America. It's scary as hell. Toxic.
tornado34jh
(1,527 posts)All these changes since really after WWII have meant a loss of power for them and they are mad because of it.
CousinIT
(12,541 posts)That seemed to pump up the right-white-evangelical fear to even higher levels. Since then, they've gone way off the deep end.
whathehell
(30,469 posts)Male dominance pre-dates religion.
tornado34jh
(1,527 posts)Although there have been religions which have goddess and sometime oracles in ancient times, most major civilizations were essentially male dominated. Now to be fair, there probably had been some pre-Christian pagan religions which were matriarchal (although that has been hotly debated), but other than those, I can't really think of any other, and the ones that do are recent ones, although they may base it off of older ones.
whathehell
(30,469 posts)...basically a matter of "might making right".
SharonAnn
(14,173 posts)
A HERETIC I AM
(24,876 posts)As is Mel Gibson.
These types are as conservative as Catholics come. I’m surprised he didn’t say something about how birth control is horrible for women.
SharonAnn
(14,173 posts)
yardwork
(69,364 posts)This speech really touched a nerve.
CousinIT
(12,541 posts)...in his privilege, plus the stupid college hasn't uttered a word. The students are left to deal with this aftermath.
He's a man who walked into a house with other guests, made a huge mess, then left others to clean it up. The homeowners say nothing while expecting the other guests to clean up his mess.
sheshe2
(97,631 posts)On Edit. Here is the school's statement:
The sisters of Mount St. Scholastica do not believe that Harrison Butker’s comments in his 2024 Benedictine College commencement address represent the Catholic, Benedictine, liberal arts college that our founders envisioned and in which we have been so invested.
Instead of promoting unity in our church, our nation, and the world, his comments seem to have fostered division. One of our concerns was the assertion that being a homemaker is the highest calling for a woman. We sisters have dedicated our lives to God and God’s people, including the many women whom we have taught and influenced during the past 160 years. These women have made a tremendous difference in the world in their roles as wives and mothers and through their God-given gifts in leadership, scholarship, and their careers.
Our community has taught young women and men not just how to be “homemakers” in a limited sense, but rather how to make a Gospel-centered, compassionate home within themselves where they can welcome others as Christ, empowering them to be the best versions of themselves. We reject a narrow definition of what it means to be Catholic. We are faithful members of the Catholic Church who embrace and promote the values of the Gospel, St. Benedict, and Vatican II and the teachings of Pope Francis.
We want to be known as an inclusive, welcoming community, embracing Benedictine values that have endured for more than 1500 years and have spread through every continent and nation. We believe those values are the core of Benedictine College.
We thank all who are supportive of our Mount community and the values we hold. With St. Benedict, we pray, “Let us prefer nothing whatever to Christ, and may he lead us all together to life everlasting.
Benedictine Sisters of Mount St. Scholastica
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lastlib
(28,269 posts)...is who they think they are. Wish I knew how to disabuse them of that idea.
Irish_Dem
(81,271 posts)Psychotic and delusional.
NanaCat
(2,332 posts)Different day.
The religion has a very long and often bloody history of misogyny, you know.
Irish_Dem
(81,271 posts)Once I became a teenager I was so done with the Church.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)…at their birth?
Every woman in that audience — grads and parents — deserves a deep apology from the college administration.
CousinIT
(12,541 posts)
catbyte
(39,153 posts)
FailureToCommunicate
(14,605 posts)
Joinfortmill
(21,167 posts)
70sEraVet
(5,482 posts)It is the college that should be answering for his medieval ramblings. A little pressure from some of the college's donors would go a LONG way!
CousinIT
(12,541 posts)..maybe not though. I have no idea who their donors are. But if they did push back, that would result in an apology.
love_katz
(3,262 posts)Excellent rant, CousinIt! "It's a spirit crushing meat grinder that needs to end". Exactly 💯! He basically took out his d!ck and waved it at them. I would have flipped him off and walked out. 
CousinIT
(12,541 posts)
NanaCat
(2,332 posts)They're regurgitating what the book itself says, in black and white. Link to the approximately 400 examples of the book's misogyny here:
https://skepticsannotatedbible.com/processlong.php?cid=10&pub=1
love_katz
(3,262 posts)I began the journey during my high school years, but finally found what I was looking for in 1985. May patriarchy fall!
StarryNite
(12,116 posts)How or why would anybody choose to believe in a religion that treats half the population as nothing more than breeders and servants to the other half?
Sky Jewels
(9,148 posts)It's SO OBVIOUS that it is just as "real" as the Epic of Gilgamesh, stories of Zeus, Thor and Isis, or the Harry Potter series. Plus, Yahweh/God the Magical Sky Wizard is a psychopathic murderous ASSHOLE. I'm glad that POS doesn't actually exist. Oh, and when are people going to realize that Jesus is never, ever coming back to Earth? Get a clue! It's a MYTH. Duh!
Joinfortmill
(21,167 posts)
Warpy
(114,615 posts)and that's who most of them think they are.
I think I'm an old woman who is entitled to speak for myself and tell him to go to hell.
leftyladyfrommo
(20,005 posts)accomplished scholar. My guess is she was gone a lot. What we are hearing is what he wished his childhood mom had been like. He wanted a traditional mom.
czarjak
(13,639 posts)Bringing Bunk Back Again
You go girls.
Celerity
(54,409 posts)czarjak
(13,639 posts)At its base.
Sky Jewels
(9,148 posts)Not a shred of evidence exists to support that silly premise.
It's beyond ridiculous that half the world's population is still subjected to these fucking STUPID fairy tales made up by primitive goatherder MALES from primitive, patriarchal societies that didn't even know the Earth orbits the sun. The Bible is just a dumb collection of mythologies. And, gee, what a coincidence, the men who made up these tall tales gave the starring roles and magical powers to male characters. Big surprise!
FUCK religion! It is a cancer on the planet!
twodogsbarking
(18,785 posts)Sky Jewels
(9,148 posts)
misanthrope
(9,495 posts)that they need a superstition to keep them from acting worse than they already do.
relayerbob
(7,429 posts)Has nothing in common with these bigoted, controlling assholes.
And, bottom line, Christianity, esp in their form is not the only form of understanding God, by any means. It is as far from it as is humanly possible.
CousinIT
(12,541 posts)...to any potential understanding of any God, if such exists. They drive more people away from the concept with their arrogant extremism.
Voltaire2
(15,377 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,674 posts)Says things like “did you listen to the WhOLE speech? He was just sticking up for his values”
Yes. Yes I did listen, and the content and context did NOT improve
Fucking gross motherfuckers
CousinIT
(12,541 posts)
jmowreader
(53,194 posts)He’s the place kicker for the Kansas City Chiefs. No one even notices these guys until they go wide on a PAT attempt.
soldierant
(9,354 posts)(not necessarily all) people think this wau - it could explain a lot.
In my twenties, I was asked by a man about the same age, "Do you think of yourself as a human being first and a woman second, or as a woman forst and a human beingsecond?" Of course i replied 9I think of myself as a human being dorst and a woman second." To which he replied, "I don't. I think of myself as a man forst ans a human being second."
I had never been exposed to that concept, and so was taken by surprise and was not able to fully respond. And I assume that he thought that way because he was brought up to think that way. His temperament was not what I would call "macho" - he was more the polite, thoughtful, considerate type. But think what that kind of upbringing would do to vast numbers of men. It's not just that if that's your hierarchy and you are a man, a woman is already two steps beneath you.
They certainly do think they are God, and that God has a penis. Even the Bible doesn't support that. Jesus himself compared himself to a mother hen concerned for and protective of her chicks. That's a pretty vivid simile if you have ever seen a hen with threatened chicks. And his hearers, I'm sure, all had. Everyone was closer to nature then.
dlk
(13,247 posts)Her father and brothers referred to women as “breeders.”
Niice. 
birdographer
(2,937 posts)give or take a year or two, my father informed very-impressionable young me that I had two choices for what I could do in life--be a housewife or a secretary. That was it. I believed it, and it crushed my ambition, which impacted much of my adult life. My life would most likely have been VERY different if I had been told I could do anything I wanted, and we could have discussed fun possibilities. And now here we are, same shit different day.
dlk
(13,247 posts)We have been living with the backlash against women’s equality for some time. Lately, it has been much, much worse.
misanthrope
(9,495 posts)I was in high school and college in the 1980s and the MRS degree was very, very real then. I have little doubt it is still driving many, especially in conservative cultures like exists across the American South.
dlk
(13,247 posts)The double standard is very deeply ingrained in our culture.