Anybody else feel the same way i do? Even with TFG losing in November,

[bluestarone]

We'll be dealing with this Monsters family for decades to come. Along with the RETHUGLICON TRAITORS as well. What a curse they have put on our country!

[Fiendish Thingy]

1. Not me

Trump’s defeat in November will hamper the anti-democracy movement on the right, and perhaps destroy it.

Loudmouths, including his family, will continue to spout their nonsense, but politicians who hope to win elections will abandon Trumpism, and fascism in general, unless they are content with shrinking the GOP to a regional, rather than national, party.

[bluestarone]

5. Glad you feel that way

Not so much here. I think to many cultist RETHUGS in congress will keep his fire burning. His family will continue their bullshit!

[Silver Gaia]

38. His family? They are not him.

Let's think about it...

His sons are Beavis and Butthead. Both are even dumber than their daddy and neither one has a smidgen of charisma. And Ivanka doesn't give a shit about any of it.

As for the rest of the MAGA contingent, no one currently on the scene really has the chops to win. If there was, the GOP would be running them.

We will still have to deal with a struggling and violent contingent of MAGA cultists for a while, but I think they will move on to something else to worship.

[PatSeg]

60. I'm inclined to see it from your perspective

There is no one in Trump's family or circle who can replace him. There may be someone on the outside who could fill the spot, but I don't think there's anyone who can recreate the bizarre "magic" he did. Evidently, he was the right person at the right time and it is not likely to happen again for a long time.

Meanwhile, we'll have various factions of MAGA loonies and they will have different leaders. Being fragmented, it is unlikely that they will have the same political power that the Trump MAGATs had. I expect that the different factions will end up fighting with one another more than fighting the "establishment". They are small-minded people with limited vision and no real goals.

[lastlib]

55. A narrow defeat won't destroy the cult.

It will only lead it to step back, re-group, find a new leader, and come back for more. It will take a devastating, epic FDR-size landslide victory for Dems to push the cult over the cliff. They didn't go away with Goldwater's 1964 defeat; they faded into the shadows until Reagan was able to resurrect them. They have been out in the daylight ever since, and it will take a historic beat-down to send them back to the caves. I'm not sure even that will do it---oligarchy is a powerful drug.

[Fiendish Thingy]

66. We shall see

If voters defeat MAGA candidates up and down the ballot, then the GOP will face the choice of continuing down the MAGA path, and only winning elections (and attracting donors) in the reddest regions of the country, and ceasing to be a force in national politics, or, rejecting Trumpism and fascism, and returning to the country club Republicanism of the past.

If the GOP keeps losing elections, they cannot survive as a party.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

2. Once that Criminal family is removed from power . . .

it will be a lot easier to deal with them. They will have lost the trappings and privileges of power. They will be (more or less) ordinary citizens.

May it be so!

[InstantGratification]

27. I hope so, but I'm not that optimistic

Even if he loses, he will still stir up shit on lies antisocial and his followers will still eat it up. The GOP will still have to bow to him or the R voters will skin them alive in the primaries. As long as he is alive and free to spread his message, Trumpism will still be a toxic cancer on the world. We really need guilty verdicts to crimes that put him away for long enough for the cult to fade away.

[Woodwizard]

53. If he is put away the cult will become more intense

That is fine with me let them howl and scream.
Since trump, the mask has come off of so many people around me. I feel this country has a lot more problems than I realized since trump and they were like that before him they just hid it better.

I will be 60 this year I never thought my country would get this bad.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

45. Yes, their brand is badly damaged. If tRump loses as he should, it will be worth even less. . . . nt

[Demsrule86]

3. Nope...I don't.

[John Shaft]

4. They're not going to give up

Failure to punish the orchestrators/leaders of January 6 will have the same effect as not punishing the Confederacy for the Civil War.

They are emboldened. They don't believe in the same country we do. They will not stop.

They have no respect, honor, character (intangibles that used to be unspoken assumptions). They will supersede and violate existing law, precedent, custom, and tradition in the service of trump, punishment, racism, alienation, and theocracy.

[Probatim]

31. I tend to agree - particularly in light of Project 2025.

I honestly think their backing of TSF is part of the plan. Watching him crash and burn and dumping his carcass in the swamp paves the way for someone the broader population can stomach more easily - someone like Youngkin or Abbot or Desantis.

These guys all support the same policies as TSF but don't have the baggage - and won't go off script. They'll do whatever it takes to stay in power and centralize power in their presidency.

If I'm completely going down the rabbit hole here - a Biden victory creates a vacuum for 2028. 12 years of a Democratic president seems like a stretch. Even with Harris, Newsom, and other big hitters in the wings, we'll have four more years of fuckery from the right and the media to overcome.

Anyway, thanks to the OP for waking up the pessimism today.

[hadEnuf]

32. If we win in November it is not over. It is just the beginning.

These fascists need to be beat down to a point where they are UNABLE to continue what they have been trying to do. And it needs to be kept that way.

[jalan48]

6. My feeling about Trump is that he is the current face of our Oligarchy.

Even if Trump leaves, the oligarchs remain. Until we are able to defeat them we will will continue to have new Trumps representing them.

[bluestarone]

7. Yea, never ending curse.

Lot's of fighting to do for sure.

[brush]

8. trumpism will go on after trump loses but none of his loser family will ever get elected.

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Who would ever vote for cokehead trump jr., or dumb ass gums trump. Princess Ivanka has completely distanced herself from trump, and the other daughter wiselu keeps a distance from the family too, probably from the advice of her mother.

The youngest son just graduated from high school and his mother took him out of politics by having him decline a delegate role in the upcoming rethug convention.

Not much future for that bunch in politics. Thank God.

[intrepidity]

68. Disagree about Barron

I can't shake the feeling that he will end up with his father's mantle.

[brush]

70. Nah, it's pretty obvious that his mother hates trump and is a big influence in his life.

He also has to have a growing awareness of the scum bag his father is with the "unified Reich" talk, plus all the other crap that's coming out about his criminal defendant father.

[Hotler]

9. The TFG family didn't start this mess, they're just tools for the Christian Right within the GOP.

The end game to all of this shit is Religious rule. The Christian dominionist are our Taliban.

[bluestarone]

11. Agree!

[unblock]

10. Donnie is just the most obvious and annoying symptom. He's not the disease.

The underlying disease is the sick state of our national discourse, brought down by decades of right-wing propaganda from hate radio to foxnews and now many smaller websites, podcasts, xitter feeds, and other channels. They didn't build this shitshow overnight.

Remember that Donnie isn't really anything special or unusual. He's just your typical foxnews addicted curmudgeon. Well. He ticks more privilege boxes than most people do, and he's got Russian support, but mostly he's just a typical foxnews addict.

So yeah. When he's out of the picture, someone we'll still have the same underlying forces and someone else will eventually step in as the next dictator wannabe. And odds are, the next one will be far more capable.

[bluestarone]

13. Yes, they learn as they go.

[betsuni]

12. This reminds me of how in 2016 the Internet was flooded with alarums and panic about

a fictitious nefarious Clinton dynasty/Clinton Machine taking over the world somehow because Hillary was a lawyer, First Lady, senator and Secretary of State but wasn't qualified, laughed too much, sent emails, and was paid for speeches.

Ummm, Trump monster family are morons and lazy. Like Daddy. No problem. They're idiots.

[Think. Again.]

16. Sounds like you really don't mind having them around.

[betsuni]

19. "Sounds like you really don't mind having them around."

[LakeArenal]

20. "Like" has nothing to do with "having them around".

[Blue Owl]

14. Dump can die a horrible, painful death and take his MAGA turd to hell with him

[Think. Again.]

15. I do feel the same way...

....rightwingers have been trying to screw up our liberal democracy for decades, trump just happened to make it easier for him.

His poisoning of our goodness will take a long time to clean out after he's gone, and the rightwingers will not give up until we completely detach that state of mind from our political life.

[MOMFUDSKI]

17. Not worried about the family but the stench

has invaded the MAGA lawmakers. They will carry on

[peggysue2]

18. Correct

There will be blood and angst either way.

Donald Trump is the vehicle for the fascists to bring the country into their own alignment, something they could not/cannot produce through a democratic process. They're going for broke now, push a major system change whether the majority likes it or not.

Win or lose, this far-right virus will be with us for a substantial period of time.

First step is defeating them in November. But that's merely the beginning of the beginning, not the end.

[LakeArenal]

21. I think when Trump loses by a bigger margin,

Cowards will rally cries. Rattle their sabers and vocalize threats.

It will dwindle down to the size of the MAGA crowds currently outside the courthouse.

Many will deny they were ever MAGATS.

They will still be very vocal. Preaching guns and jebus. Eventually many returning to hide under their rock.

Police or Capital Police won’t be sucker punched again. They will be prepared.

[machoneman]

23. In late 1945, no one in Germany was a Nazi, supported them, cheered them on and more. Until our soldiers found...

in every home, a clean rectangular spot on a wall where Adolf's picture hung.

[ThoughtCriminal]

22. Not the family, but RW Fascism will always be lurking

Even after big setbacks authoritarians will always be waiting for an opportunity to seize power and make it very difficult to remove them. A bigoted, undereducated and apathetic public can easily be lured into electing them. Plus, the makeup of the Senate and the Electoral College gives them an edge even when they are a minority. They will always be well funded by oligarchs and treated generously by corporate controlled media.

All it takes is an economic, domestic, or international crisis, and no matter how competent our leadership, it is inevitable that there will be events for them to exploit.

[Tesha]

24. As long as he can grift his followers

He'll be posting and emailing and holding those weird events until it doesn't make hime money anylonger

[Progressive dog]

25. I don't think we'll be dealing with Trump's family

for decades to come, if he loses. Some of the MAGA crowd will still hold power and they will continue to be a problem for decades.

[LonePirate]

26. Not much will change until he travels to the great beyond.

No one else on the right is able to command the attention of the base like he does. There is no heir apparent to the eventual power vacuum as the base does not know or respect anyone else. We need to be prepared to propose solutions and provide a map for America’s future once he finally departs.

[H2O Man]

28. No.

I don't.

But we will be dealing with the maga cult for a while.

[William Seger]

29. Being optimistic, I think the bottom could fall out of TFG support if he loses again

... because of the very thing he fears the most: being seen as a pathetic loser. However, reactionary bigotry will certainly be with us at least for a few more generations, waiting for the next demagogue to exploit it.

[Wednesdays]

30. Well, politics is a never-ending battle

We've been fighting the same monsters in some way or other for more than 200 years. Doesn't matter if the names end in "Trump," there'll always be new monsters to fight. The answer is for us to never let our guard down.

[Irish_Dem]

33. None of his kids have the skill set, intelligence or charisma.

Or motivation.


Someone will take Trump's place but seems unlikely it will be one of his offspring.

[lastlib]

58. And soon, they won't have the money....

...unless the other oligarchs share theirs for the cause. I think TFG's legal problems will ultimately bankrupt the family, and oligarch vultures will devour the remnants. The sons won't have the money, intelligence, or charisma to play in the bigs, and Ivanka just wants to be rich and pampered. It will be the other oligarchs that we have to fight, and regaining control of the courts and legislatures will be key to that fight. It'll be a tough slog, but the other option is to succumb to fascist oligarchy.

[Irish_Dem]

62. I am thinking there might be some money in off shore accounts.

But the Trumps love the lavish lifestyle, so it may go quickly.

Yes the legal bills are going to keep mounting.
And it is uncertain how long the cult will keep funding the Trumps.

They might want to get real jobs.

[Irish_Dem]

64. Yes Trump is just a puppet.

Our enemies and oligarchs will find someone else to install a fascist regime in the US.

[Mz Pip]

34. Once someone has power

they rarely give it up willingly. Trump will continue whining about stolen elections and House and Senate members will enable him just like they do now.

Those enablers need to be voted out as well but with gerrymandering it’s unlikely to happen.

[Escurumbele]

35. If you are talking about his children, I don't think so, none of them are smart enough to do anything.

What needs to happen is for Democrats to take on both houses, and for Biden to stay in power, then we can clean house and get rid of the parasites and leeches from the republican party.

I do believe that trump will become a bad memory very soon.

[Diamond_Dog]

36. He will continue to stir up outrageous shit even if he loses.

He can’t handle not being in every news story, every headline, every TV news broadcast. He’s too narcissistic to ever fade away gracefully. We won’t be rid of him until he is dead and gone.

I think his monstrous family may try to fill the void, but none of them have to cult following TSF has.

[wryter2000]

37. Agreed, but

If we defeat them soundly in Congress and the states, they'll become an annoyance. It's been done in a few states. In California, the Republicans have absolutely no power. That's why things run smoothly here. Chin up. At the rate they're going, it's only a matter of time.

[Bucky]

39. That's how cancers work. They don't just disappear. You have to root them out of your system, every nook & cranny

It's like when you clean up after a drunken messy party. The job isn't over with when you kickout the rowdy guests. That's actually when the clean up begins.

[flying_wahini]

40. I agree to a point, but the documents case will squash the rest of Magas into permanent silence.

[TeamProg]

41. Creeping FASCISM. nt

[58Sunliner]

42. I'm not going to lie, it sucks, but, DT will be dead soon.

Coke snot will not ever have the support of Don shits. Who is the next whack? We are going to have to get tough(er).

[bluestarone]

43. Just to add here

My thinking is not so much his immediate family, but the cultist families out there, PLUS the southern states, like Texas Oklahoma Florida, Louisiana and others that say they don't have to abide by Federal rules (LAWS) Plus a Supreme court that could actually (in my eyes) rule TFG IS the president in Nov. and what could be done about that? (nothing) I know hell would break loose, but i don't know end result. That's the scary part.

[Orrex]

46. If SCOTUS should rule that way

Which, despite predictable naysayers’ harrumphing, is not at all unlikely, then they will have put all options on the table.

[Orrex]

44. Trump leads a fanatical KKKult of ignorant racist fuckheads

They will worship him until the last of them has died, and they will gleefully wreak havoc in his name

[LisaM]

47. I am so tired of them.

I am staying in a place where I can get Canadian radio and it's blessedly free of any but the most necessary references to them.

Politics is certainly covered on Canadian news, but there is also a refreshing mix of music, sports, movie reviews, history, and literature. There is even a 'Philosophy Hour". This is probably why Canadians are nicer. They aren't force fed hate all day long.

[Martin68]

48. I'm more worried about Trump's numerous and extreme supporters. I think Trump, if he is not in prison, will be seriously

damaged by debt and credibility issues. But there are a lot of Trumpists out there to carry on the fight. One can only hope that with their cult leader weakened no one will have the same drawing power and rise to take his place.

[FSogol]

49. There will come a time in our future where no one will admit to once being a Trump supporter.

[WordsFromOurSponsor]

50. declining small dollar donors?

I have been heartened to learn that Trump's campaign is seeing a decline in small dollar donors, i.e. he's losing real support from his cult. Also, his crowd size was over-inflated by Wildwood NJ a few weeks ago, and his supporters haven't been showing up at the trial as he hoped.

I'd like to think his influence is finally waning, and hopefully "trump" goes back to being a pejorative. Will his grifter kids keep trying to milk it? Absolutely, because they won't have much to fall back on since everything else looks like it's being taken away, perhaps even his freedom.

[JustAnotherGen]

51. In the 1920's

The Klan came back.

Then the American Nazis (lead up to WW 2)

Then the skinhead type white supremacists

And now - since 1964 - that same element refined, honed, 'polished' their shit ass ideas and wrapped them up in Brooks Brother's suits . . .

It's not just the Family, the traitors in Government -

It's the PEOPLE who vote for them!

[Warpy]

52. Take a good hard look at his spawn

I don't think we'll have much to worry about with Jr. or Eric. Ivanka is way too self absorbed to care. Ditto Tiffany. We don't know what Barron will turn into, he's still on the edge of being a kid.

I don't think the trouble will happen until the grandchildren come of age and there is no guarantee they'll have much use for Gramps. By then, much of the money will be gone to pay creditors and legal fees even if Gramps manages to stay out of prison.

The problem is the fan club. They'll be looking for another fake strong man to hang their hopes and dreams on. That's what we have to be ready for.

[EarthAbides]

54. Trump will lose, BUT

We will be thrown into a Constitutional Crisis because of his syncopates in Congress, Republican led states, his ready for war militia and the Supreme Court. These Facists will not give up without a bloody fight. This will hopefully end once the snake's head id cut off.

[TBF]

56. The traitors are useful idiots for the most part -

the real problem is the oligarchs who own the country. THAT is what most folks have no idea how to tackle, and it is pretty overwhelming. I give you 2 words - TAX POLICY. I think that is how we take them down. And they know it too. They will stir up trouble all over the globe, pit all kinds of people against each other, while they are busy "stealing the farm" as my grandfather would've said.

[Prairie_Seagull]

57. One of my fears is that

some churches are effected now and have the effect of thousands of bully pulpits.

[delisen]

59. Whatever happened to Rush Limbaugh.?

He ruled talk radio, grew a disgruntled white male audience that seemed all powerful. Then he died and was almost immediately forgotten.

Same thing will happen to Trump. there won’t be any coattails for Eric or Jr.

Jared is worry but he is forming his own center of power.

[Arne]

61. Down here as far south as you can go

they are adamant that the South will rise again.
No shirt hold my beer rebels driving mud buggies on the street.
They can't own any libs, like slavery, and they Are heavily armed.

[Torchlight]

63. After the fad ended, not many people admitted to ever having bought a Pet Rock.

Mr. trump's flock represents the same commercially-fed cattle demographic. In a couple of years, a LOT of people who voted for him will innocently ask "who's that? I can't remember that name..."

[maxsolomon]

65. The Dimmer Twins will certainly remain fixtures in the RW Mediascape.

But neither are remotely electable - even in Florduh.

* will keep running his mouth until he dies - he's a grifter. That's what he knows to do. Grift.

If he loses in Nov., I think this is it. The $ in the GQP will move on.

[applegrove]

67. Nobody in his family is as much of a drug as Trump is to

some people.

[Blaukraut]

69. Absolutely.

And judging by the 40+ % unwavering support he enjoys, that fear is justified. My concern is that he is actually going to win outright in November. It is beginning to look like nothing is changing voters' minds. They are ready to give up their rights to bring us out of an imaginary recession they believe is Biden's fault.

[Wounded Bear]

71. The trump family doesn't worry me half as much as the Supreme Court going forward...

Those shitheads will be there for decades.

[bluestarone]

72. Oh yea for sure! Just think for a moment, what if this SC decided to (i'll throw it out there)

Just flat out decide TFG is President in November. Then what?