I believe that the document trial postponement is even worse

[PCIntern]

than it appears to be.

I am of the opinion that these people “know stuff” that we don’t. I would venture to say that there is some word in the ethereal circles that there’s proof that some of these documents were given/sold to foreign powers or brokers who will then sell them to these powers and if this broke before the election it would “most likely” doom the candidacy.

Nothing but nothing is EVER what it appears to be and I always remind myself of that closed door House meeting where the Dems emerged literally shaking with upset and rage. Something was seen in there which was beyond the pale, and that was before all the public knew about this disaster of monumental magnitude in National Security.

Meanwhile, I still cannot believe that this guy is still a contender - in any other Universe he’d be politically exiled or doing time in prison.

As an aside, you know how all the experts are telling us about this trial, prefacing their remarks with the phrase “of course we don’t know what the jury is going to do but…”? Well, the experts told us we would lose upwards of 100000 troops in the Gulf War, that there was a gigantic Red Wave coming in 2022, that Betamax was superior to VHS and woukd dominate the market, that Enron possessed a stellar business model, that Lance Armstrong was possibly the greatest athlete who ever lived, and that during the tech boom, you could have a company with no product, no assets, and no patents or copyrights and this company was worth billions. They spoke with such surety and positive outlook that HOW DARE YOU question their opinion?

Well…yeah.

[Lonestarblue]

1. I always thought that Trump sold classified intelligence to others.

I believe that part of the MBS payment to Jared was for the intelligence on Iran’s nuclear capabilities and the war plan against Iran that Trump demanded from the military. No doubt Trump got a cut under the table. Trump tried to give Saudi Arabia US nuclear secrets when he was president, but saner heads stopped him. There will be no stopping him in a second term because the saner heads will be fired and replaced with Trump sycophants.

And, of course, being Putin’s fan boy, there’s high probability that Trump either gave or sold highly classified information on our intelligence in Russia as well as all of Europe. Trump doesn’t care what Putin does to Europe.

[MutantAndProud]

2. He also doesn't care what happens to the US

As long as he retains his holdings. His possessions and his power are his identity, and that’s essentially all he has.

[C Moon]

64. I think the same goes for much of the wealthy elite in the U.S.

[live love laugh]

5. I believe that is why Russia attacked Ukraine. The timing

of the invasion plus the relationship with Trump add up to more than a coincidence.

[Cosmocat]

9. 100%

nm

[Hugin]

22. The most important of questions about world events.

“Why now?”

Sometimes it takes awhile for an answer to emerge. Eventually, it usually does.

[GB_RN]

3. Well, To Be Fair...

Betamax was superior to VHS. It had higher resolution, less crosstalk and less noise than VHS. The one advantage VHS had was longer recording time. That and the porn industry was one of its biggest and earliest adopters. 😁

[PCIntern]

4. Yes it was superior...

But…

[bdamomma]

6. Just a question

The closed door meeting you are referring to did the Senate have a meeting also when Senators Feinstein and Grassley came out shaken too??? There's a lot of things we the people don't know, which places us in a very dangerous place.

[japple]

7. I came in to post that, too. I remember that meeting where Feinstein & Grassley came out looking like

they had peered into the abyss of Hades.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

10. Yes, it is very strange we have not heard more about the substance (even wo details). . . nt

[yorkster]

31. Right. The Gang if Eight meeting, I believe.

Comey met with them March 10 2017.
Then Leaders of the House and Senate were present. Grassley and Feinstein looked shaken to the core. We will probably never know the full extent of what they learned.

[Delmette2.0]

16. I have been thinking alot about the reactions to that meeting.

Feinstein and Grassley were doing their best to look normal after hearing what might have been their worse nightmare.

I want to know, but I don't want to know.

[Catherine Vincent]

37. It must not have been that bad

Grassley is kissing Trump's butt even harder.

[Captain Zero]

56. grassley doesn't want his ass to be grass

he knows that trump knows what he learned that meeting and he's got the message that he does not really know that.

[bdamomma]

39. What year

did those House Members go to Russia during the 4th of July???? was it before or after the closed-door meetings??? They were Putin's puppets then. They were all in on it.

[Delmette2.0]

41. 2018. NT

I had to look it up.

[Captain Zero]

54. who else was in that meeting ?? besides grassly/Feinstein

Maybe we could get them to speak up.

Feinstein is dead and Grassley is ANCIENT.

I think it was info that a lot of our foreign cia agents had been terminated since Trump started his term. Or our allies found something for sale in Vienna or elsewhere and there was a clear path back to tRump.

[Delmette2.0]

57. I know my Senator Steve Daines

Won't say anything.
Off hand I don't remember the rest.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

8. Well, you CAN have no product and be worth billions: Truth Social

Revenue down from $ 4 million to $ 0.7; losses up from $ 57 million to $327 million. (DJT ticker symbol for tRump Media)

Stock valuation is almost $ 8 billion. With a 'b'.

[jaxexpat]

11. (the intro) Oh, PCIntern, you are a good and faithful voice in our wilderness.

(.... next up, the sarcasm part)
Why must you always wave the traffic back the way from which it comes? illuminate the tides to reverse their lunatic mission? shame the sun into rising from the west?
(and now, the serious part)
Republicanaries cannot appreciate the poisonous futility of their own exhaust, they exist only to gasp their last in the clammy darkness of epic tragedy, their collective unconsciousness.
(but for me, the best is the last)
You get media news filtered and second hand, even as you pay extra for fresh.

[erronis]

42. Not sure where the sun is over the yardarm in your part of the world,

but that was an "interesting" bit of stuff to gnarl upon.

Where does your media news come from? I'm really interested since I'm always looking for new sources.

[jaxexpat]

47. I take what I've observed about the world and opine from there on stuff.

Insofar as news goes, I get mostly informed by perusing DU.

For instance, Nikki was news in SC when I worked down there, 2001-2003. She was not respected by those rank-and-file Republicans at that time, her response was to ignore them and limp along. She got the governorship a few years later. Seems to me her strategy is "lie no more than is expedient". That, for me, sums her up entirely.
I've NEVER met a Republican who actually observes the world through the lens of provable, factual accuracy. I'm working with that as a basic metric to divine the nature of the media I'm exposed to.
I can't recommend any source to read for real news without many grains of salt and a handy pocket fascism detector*. If something in the terminology or subject treatment seems wrong, I make a mental note to watch for evidence to either support or disprove my suspicion. I don't typically see the world as black or white, but I knew Reagan was a fraud from the first paragraph of his first 1980 campaign speech. I remembered him from the days he pretended he knew everything when hosting the old General Electric Theater and a corporate sponsored "science" gigs on the TeeVee. Smelled wrong even for a 8 year old kid from Kentucky. It goes like that.


* There is no "pocket fascism detector". At least, I don't know of one.

[erronis]

49. More stuff for me to gnaw upon.

(My auto-type substituted gnarl for gnaw. And I lie sometimes.)

Makes me think of the late 1950s when sis and I would watch Oral Roberts and other cons try to sell their wares over the BW T.V. We knew they were fraudsters, even in the pre and early teens. Reagan was another obvious one. Nixon was just a buffoon.

It's actually quite amazing how I can only list 1 or 2 Republicans in my family/acquaintances over 70+ years. I have met many (Nixon used my razor) and worked with a lot (DOD, etc.) But having a friendly or intellectual relationship is very rare.

[diva77]

52. ...don't know about anyone else here, but I am most curious to know how Nixon ended up using your razor?

[bucolic_frolic]

12. Possibilities

The damage is so severe they're still investigating it, and it remains unpredictable in open court.

TSF has the goods on everyone and they fear proceeding.

The revelations are OUCH!

[SKKY]

13. That's true with almost anything dealing with "Classified Information"...

...There is no doubt in my mind TFG had documents at the highest compartmentalized classification levels in Mar-a-Lago. Unsecured. Out in the open. Definitely not stored in anything even closely resembling a SCIF. If I had done that at any point in my Navy career, I would likely still be in jail.

[3Hotdogs]

14. What I don't get ---- those Dems can go on the floor of House and disclose what they learned.

They have immunity for what they say on the House floor.

Why don't they, at least, give a summation of what they learned?

[Trueblue Texan]

18. Maybe they don't reveal what they know...

...to prevent further damage?

[3Hotdogs]

24. Information we learned, included that Mr. Trump ......... classified information and

also..... used it to ........

Such unspecific information would not violate national security.

[Mr.Bill]

61. It could affect our allies' willingness

to share intelligence with us. In fact, it probably already has.

[nbsmom]

62. Did you see what they did to McGovern yesterday?

McGovern talked about how TFG is on trial for election interference, 88 felony indictments, etc. The Rs demanded that what he said be struck from the record.🤬

[czarjak]

65. Owned!

[Cheezoholic]

15. I'm with you. The breadth of this security breach may not be known for years if ever

I have no doubt this man and his traitorous cronies caused the torture/imprisonment and/or deaths of 100's possibly even thousands of clandestine agents and assets around the world. I believe this is a security breach of such a grand scale that besides just the simple embarrassment that our government let it happen that many of those that were put into harms way were from the agencies of close allies.

On just the pure information aspect that was in those documents, who knows. I'm sure there was plenty in there that was secret to protect the integrity of our government over seas and at home and was meant to stay that way. Probably stuff from even the past that shows we were spying on our allies and we want to keep that quiet. I wonder if some of this stuff could be so detrimental to our security at home that it has something to do with the kind of treatment he's getting.

It still blows my mind why this guy and his cronies aren't locked away in 8x8 windowless cells for eternity. People who've been convicted of far less espionage crimes were locked away from getting served an arrest warrant all the way through conviction to serving their sentences, some fore life. Even more that any citizen would vote for a Russian agent. It's infuriating.

[KS Toronado]

17. Let us not forget, if our side knows about some dastardly deeds TSF is guilty of

elected repugnuts probably knew it before elected Democrats and so very few are willing to stand up to him.
And when they do like Liz Cheney, their entire party rails against them.

[dlk]

19. No doubt

It’s likely Trump’s treason and the attendant national security breaches go much farther than we will ever be allowed to know.

[brooklynite]

20. "Nothing but nothing is EVER what it appears to be"

I start with facts, not conspiracy theories.

Trump has not been charged with ESPIONAGE (separate from being charged under the ESPIONAGE ACT). I'll rely on Jack Smith's analysis of the case.

[PCIntern]

21. Of course you feel that way...

after all, what could possibly be known of which you are unaware?

This is not a conspiracy theory… This is a reasonable supposition based upon the behavior and reactions of individuals who are in the know.

[brooklynite]

25. Nobody HERE is "in the know" on this matter...

...any more than they were in yesterday's "let's worry that the Jury is being being bribed" discussion.

[PCIntern]

29. Opinions vary.

[erronis]

43. And we shouldn't accept one person's absolutism.

[duckworth969]

60. Agreed

[newdayneeded]

23. now we know what Jared's

2 billion bought.

[Silent Type]

26. If they have proof he sold/traded documents, he's toast. Don't think they have that, unfortunately.

[ScratchCat]

33. Correct

There would be no justification for him not being detained, interrogated and held in a secure facility. None. It'd be the easiest way to get rid of him. All President Biden would have had to have done was hold a press conference in prime time telling the American people that Donald Trump stole State secrets and sold them to an adversary. End of discussion and the end of Trump.

The fact that this did not happen tells you he didn't have anything that was both serious and relevant and they don't believe he sold anything to anyone or that he still has stuff that is both serious and relevant.

[Silent Type]

35. Eactly, could probably get away with a firing squad in the Rose Garden.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

48. Or, it was so serious that emphasis has been on damage control before punishment.

[EndlessWire]

59. I disagree.

Just because nothing happened doesn't mean there was nothing there. We don't know what the stakes were/are. SA is sitting there with influence, and almost had a deal with Israel for peace. I don't believe they are our friends, but that's not how politics work, and maybe we had to suck that up for the greater good.

Trump is older. He should get 100 years in jail, but all he really needs is 15-20 years to end him. We can't undo sale of docs to enemies, but we can change our process in order to change the damages. If he gets convicted in any of these other cases, he'll be done.

I'd rather see him flee to overseas, to finish his influence here. But, others feel that they want him in a cell. Either works for me.

[CrispyQ]

27. The corruption is boggling.

That the powers that be are okay with putting a man who sold our secrets back in the WH, tells me that they know just how close climate chaos is & vulgar, vile, & repugnant as Trump is, they will tolerate him if he opens the doors to them taking everything left that has any value in the country.

[Kid Berwyn]

28. A treasonous POTUS is the worst case scenario.

Weren’t for President Biden, the nation would be ripped apart.



Agent Trump with handler Lavrov.

[BSdetect]

30. Only in the USA can an idiot traitor remain free to run for potus again

[wryter2000]

32. I think the caveat about the jury is a good idea

One stubborn MAGAt could hang the whole thing. What if the experts told you it was a slam dunk?

[Ohio Joe]

34. So... If Smith has this evidence...

Why has tfg not been charged?

[PCIntern]

36. I didn't say he had or didn't have admissible evidence

I’m saying much more is going on than we will ever know, even if books are written by investigative journalists.

[spanone]

38. To use trmp's term, I think this one was rigged from the beginning.

Knowing Cannon was 'in the camp' i doubt her 'random' choice was random.

Yes, I'm that cynical.

[onecaliberal]

40. Justice is only for the poor and working class.

That cancerous piece of shit still has documents. Why weren't all of his clubs searched? It's not like he owns an actual home. Biden had all offices and homes searched. Pretending like DOJ is non partisan for the sake of it, is like watching the country burn while DOJ stands there fildding.

[erronis]

44. Don't worry. In the Emperium Trumpus 47 justice will be quickly handled.

No need to gnash teeth and complain about unequal application of the "Rules".

You may be allowed to gnash your teeth but that will be the last voluntary action you will take.

[wiggs]

45. I believe that's likely true. I've often felt that there are powerful voices on both sides of the aisle and

behind the scenes that try to protect the perception of the US as a shining beacon of democracy and an example to the world. It might be worth protecting that reputation in general, but it seems to me that it could involve covering up very embarrassing corruption and behavior on the part of our leaders.

TPTB don't necessarily want us to know the depth of Trump corruption or treachery while in office, or the extent to which we control other countries' economies and officials, or how much hacking has gone into elections, how much Russia/China controls misinformation, how much citizens united/lobbying goes into legislation.

So while we can't know for sure yet, with TSF and his colleagues it may be closer to the truth if we assume the worst as a starting point.

[flamingdem]

46. If elected again he'll be a multi-billionaire by selling all of our intelligence

The interested parties are salivating.

[hay rick]

50. In a court of law you're innocent until proven guilty. In the court of common sense...

I presume Trump is a traitor until I am shown otherwise. Anything else would be out of character.

There's willful ignorance and there's willful foolishness. The media is selling both.

[GreenWave]

51. SOB still has more documents.

[republianmushroom]

53. 40 months and counting (includes foot dragging)

[erronis]

58. I hope you have this refrain scripted!

It has to be tiresome to repeat it every week or so with some minor updates to the situation.

Please accept this as a bit of humor and also a bit of understanding where you and the rest of us are coming from. The never-ending delays and obstructions appear to be part of the plan.

[Bobstandard]

55. The pundits certainty bothers me too

The pundits refrain on the Stormy Daniels case is always, “well we can’t know what the jury will do, but…”. And then they go on to describe why they think a conviction is assured. Everyone on the panel nods. Etc. I’m not convinced

Here’s one of the many mitigating fears I have: the jury got sent home for nearly a week through the Labor Day weekend. Knowing how much the tfg’s team models itself on The Sopranos, it’s not too far fetched to assume that there are nefarious actors seeking out the jurors with the intent to intimidate—or purchase.

I think it possible that the verdict hangs on whether or not the bad guys get through to one or more juror.

[OverBurn]

63. They should put it out everywhere that the traitor sold classified docs. True or not. Let's do what they do.