More nations recognize Palestinian State than Norway, Ireland and Spain

[Model35mech]

Geographically it's most of the planet. I didn't know this until today

Here is a link that purports to show nations that have recognized the Palestinian State as legitimate (which is not to say that terrorist groups working in Palestinian territory are legitimate).

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BB1mVcPB.img?w=768&h=581&m=6

[northern light]

1. Interesting map.

Have you noticed that the majority of the nations not recognizing Palestine are or have been colonial powers.

[Model35mech]

5. Yes, I did. I also recognize that many were western European

nations, where the popular narrative was that there was strong resistance to Nazism, but the history suggests the nations attempted to survive within occupation. I think this may be an origin of guilt about the Jewish Holocaust

[GreenWave]

16. Exactly. Hitler butchered Eastern Europe and had many more forces there.

[jimfields33]

7. I don't understand why they can make them their own country.

It’s a win for both. Israel can let Palestinians run their own government and property. It would be a positive on both countries. Palestinians can run their own thing without Israel’s interference. Israel won’t have to worry about Palestinians politically or financially. I think if would be amazing.

[ExciteBike66]

2. An independent state of palestine should not depend upon Israeli consent

Any more than our own statehood depends on such consent.

[former9thward]

4. When they want to take most of Israel it does require consent.

Where are the borders?

[ExciteBike66]

8. "They"

All Palestinians?

And anyway, Russia wants ukraine, yet we do not say that Russia should not be a state.

[Voltaire2]

13. Approximately where the borders were in '67

minus Jerusalem, as per the Oslo accords.

[former9thward]

17. Oslo solved nothing and subsequently has been rejected by everybody.

There was no effort at Oslo to resolve the core issues of the conflict such as borders, Palestinian refugees, and the status of Jerusalem. As far as 67 goes the pre-67 borders are a non-starter. Aggression has consequences.

[Mosby]

6. So they should determine borders with Israel, return the refugees in Lebanon, Syria and Jordan to their homeland.

And dissolve UNWRA.

Can't wait.

[ExciteBike66]

10. Why would a people need to do any specific thing to be a state?

In fact, a state comprising all Palestinians would probably be more moderate than, say, the specific group of them in gaza...

[Mosby]

11. I don't know, maybe a memo would suffice.

[ExciteBike66]

15. I mean, I'm sure they have expressed their intent enough.

That's not to say there won't need to be negotiation on borders and stuff, but they can't just be an Israeli prison forever.

Maybe Ireland and all can help get the ball rolling with recognition.

[former9thward]

18. It would immediately become a failed state run by terrorist groups.

Similar to Libya, Afghanistan or Somalia.

[former9thward]

3. Where is this nation?

What are the borders? Who is the government? Where are the embassies located?

[Model35mech]

12. You've got it a bit wrong. A COUNTRY has borders, a NATION is a group of people

So The Dakota are a NATION of aboriginal people in North America. They no longer control the territorial borders of their country.
Rather, the live on remnants of their country (aka Reservations).

Israel has acted as if putting Palestinians on such reservations was a solution. Unfortunately, the Palestinians as a NATION reject colonial-based solutions that disenfranchise them.

This is the power of THE HOLOCAUST. No other nation on earth is allowed to use that phrase. It's is the key that unlocks Jewish control after many hundreds of years of absence from territorial control.

And it is revealed by all those old-colonialist nations of western Europe. Nations that had no 'RIGHT" to carve up maps to disenfranchise Palestinians in favor of European Survivors of the European based holocaust. That map just makes it look like western Europe wanted to get the Jewish Refugee Problem off their official business.

[dalton99a]

9. It seems that countries that recognize Palestine are generally exempt from Islamist terror

Perhaps there is a tacit agreement

[Model35mech]

14. I think your lack of awareness may be showing. Iran and Saudi Arabia have fought wars

recently. They aren't free from subversive/terrorist attacks by each other and each others proxies.

The same is true of Russian attacks on Ukraine and Russian attacks on Georgia. Chinese and Nepali, Yemeni and Saudi, The sides in the conflict in Eritrea, etc.

That map show a lot of countries that have unfriendly/hostile relationships with their neighbors. Nonetheless all those green countries recognice Palestinians as a nation.