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BlueKota

(2,503 posts)
Thu May 23, 2024, 09:48 PM May 23

Could we start a there's still hope thread.

I inherited my mother's pessimistic personality, and sometimes I can only imagine the dark outcomes. I need some potential positive signs that the dystopia the Magats want to turn America into, won't ever come to be anywhere other than their sicko minds.

I don't mean those over the top headlines You Tube hosts love to use like "Trump Completely Doomed," when one minor thing went against him.

But real efforts to push back that are succeeding, former Trumpers who decided never to vote for him again, stuff like that?

I think there are others here too, who might be helped by it as well.

Anyway just a thought.

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Could we start a there's still hope thread. (Original Post) BlueKota May 23 OP
Eventually. most will wake up. When the political reality they voted for is enacted. Most won't be happy. OAITW r.2.0 May 23 #1
Good point. BlueKota May 24 #16
Humans will always crave freedom and democracy. Irish_Dem May 23 #2
What? former9thward May 23 #5
thank you. WarGamer May 23 #7
"Quite happy"? I disagree strongly with that characterization Just_Vote_Dem May 24 #14
The majority of the world does not have the same opinions as you may have. former9thward May 24 #21
One History Professor said BlueKota May 24 #18
Yes, the majority of people in the U.S. come from different traditions and cultures former9thward May 24 #20
But that battle doesn't have to be full of bloodshed DSandra May 24 #10
Yes of course. A battle of wits, words, and will. Irish_Dem May 24 #11
I believe there will be a fight too. BlueKota May 24 #17
Yes they will not like living under a dictatorship. Irish_Dem May 24 #19
Here's a couple I heard on news this week: Joinfortmill May 23 #3
Definitely good BlueKota May 24 #24
When I think that the US can't do this again... viva la May 23 #4
Hoping a lot of moderates are saying publicly BlueKota May 24 #25
Fascists attempt to control by fear, Qutzupalotl May 23 #6
Thank you! BlueKota May 24 #26
So am I. calimary May 24 #35
To bdamomma May 23 #8
Definitely voting BlueKota May 24 #27
110 former tRump voters now damning him, in print & video Bundbuster May 24 #9
Love it that BlueKota May 24 #28
polls are tailored for agendas; pay no heed DoBW May 24 #12
I am definitely going to vote for Biden. BlueKota May 24 #29
The U.S. is a very large diverse country. Military, government, police have followed equal opportunity betsuni May 24 #13
Excellent points BlueKota May 24 #30
K & R Just_Vote_Dem May 24 #15
Thank you BlueKota May 24 #31
Remember women!! TSExile May 24 #22
A higher turn out by women will definitely help. BlueKota May 24 #32
See, I Really Wish RobinA May 24 #34
Here's a post that gave me hope mountain grammy May 24 #23
It definitely does BlueKota May 24 #33
My personal favorite posts are about J6r's Arne May 24 #36

OAITW r.2.0

(25,704 posts)
1. Eventually. most will wake up. When the political reality they voted for is enacted. Most won't be happy.
Thu May 23, 2024, 09:56 PM
May 23

"I didn't expect THIS outcome!"

BlueKota

(2,503 posts)
16. Good point.
Fri May 24, 2024, 07:20 AM
May 24

Probably the first time something happens to them that they falsely believed would only happen to Democrats.

Irish_Dem

(52,986 posts)
2. Humans will always crave freedom and democracy.
Thu May 23, 2024, 09:59 PM
May 23

They will always value freedom of expression, reaching their full potential.
Determining their own destiny. Equal rights.

There will always be courageous people willing to fight the good fight.
To stand up for We The People.

America's founding fathers knew this and created the strongest democracy in the history of the world.

I do not believe American democracy will go gentle into the night.
There will be an epic battle.

former9thward

(32,691 posts)
5. What?
Thu May 23, 2024, 10:08 PM
May 23

Humans do not always crave freedom and democracy. The biggest nation in the world, China, has had neither for 75 years. And there is no significant opposition. I could go on and on. The majority of the world lives with restrictive governments, and they are quite happy about it.

Just_Vote_Dem

(3,024 posts)
14. "Quite happy"? I disagree strongly with that characterization
Fri May 24, 2024, 06:25 AM
May 24

Resigned to fate, feeling helpless maybe-that's not the same thing.






former9thward

(32,691 posts)
21. The majority of the world does not have the same opinions as you may have.
Fri May 24, 2024, 09:44 AM
May 24

Americans have a tough time coming to that belief. They think everyone wants what they want. That belief has gotten us in no-win wars since the end of WW 2. Vietnam, Iraq. Afghanistan and a bunch of minor conflicts. All to promote "democracy. And all failures.

BlueKota

(2,503 posts)
18. One History Professor said
Fri May 24, 2024, 07:38 AM
May 24

most people who have lived under autocratic rule for as long as the majority of them can remember, often fail at rebellion or don't even try to resist at all. China and Russia certainly fall under this circumstance.

But in places that have enjoyed rights for as long as the majority of their citizens can remember, that is different. If his theory is correct many U.S. citizens will start to object once more and more rights start being taken away from them personally in an autocracy.

former9thward

(32,691 posts)
20. Yes, the majority of people in the U.S. come from different traditions and cultures
Fri May 24, 2024, 09:40 AM
May 24

than the majority of world's population.

DSandra

(1,014 posts)
10. But that battle doesn't have to be full of bloodshed
Fri May 24, 2024, 02:49 AM
May 24

People have a chance to prevent a massive amount of bloodshed from happening in this country.

BlueKota

(2,503 posts)
17. I believe there will be a fight too.
Fri May 24, 2024, 07:22 AM
May 24

I think a majority of the people who think living under a dictatorship is worth a try,don't have a full understanding of how they work. The dictators don't just take rights away from the scapegoated enemies, but often turn on many of those who they were formerly aligned with them, if those people have something the dictator wants, or they dissent with the dictator on even the most minor of points.

Irish_Dem

(52,986 posts)
19. Yes they will not like living under a dictatorship.
Fri May 24, 2024, 07:54 AM
May 24

These are people who want their freedoms.
They won't even wear masks or get vaccines during a deadly pandemic.

They are in for a very rude awakening.

They assume they will be exempt from draconian leadership.
But they are wrong.

Trump uses everyone. Then throws them under the bus.

Joinfortmill

(15,255 posts)
3. Here's a couple I heard on news this week:
Thu May 23, 2024, 10:02 PM
May 23

Trump's rallies are now sparsley attended.

Republicans are now saying that not only will they not vote for Trump, they will vote for Joe.

viva la

(3,547 posts)
4. When I think that the US can't do this again...
Thu May 23, 2024, 10:06 PM
May 23

I remember that the Clowns Berlusconi and Boris Johnson got re-elected.
But... surely we've learned our lesson?

Well, WE knew all along. Surely the middle-GOPers learned their lessons?
(Not to judge by their 'leaders' in congress, knocking each other down in their attempts to lick Trump's boots.)

BlueKota

(2,503 posts)
25. Hoping a lot of moderates are saying publicly
Fri May 24, 2024, 02:46 PM
May 24

they will vote for tfg just to keep the magats from attacking them, but actually vote Biden on election day!

Qutzupalotl

(14,664 posts)
6. Fascists attempt to control by fear,
Thu May 23, 2024, 10:15 PM
May 23

even generating fear when it is absent, as we see now with Project 2025.

They are either diabolical geniuses or foolishly overconfident to say the quiet part out loud before voters go to the polls, when it would make more sense to say it after they were in power—once we could no longer do anything about it.

Bannon and Miller delight in stoking fears because it gets attention, spreads the message with its dogwhistles, and sends those who are prone to worry over the edge, creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. Commissioned polls are part of that strategy.

Don't let them manipulate you. They have not won yet, and they won't—if we work hard and don't give in to despair.

BlueKota

(2,503 posts)
26. Thank you!
Fri May 24, 2024, 02:50 PM
May 24

I am fighting hard against falling into another depression pit like I did when tfg won in 2016.

calimary

(82,647 posts)
35. So am I.
Fri May 24, 2024, 03:11 PM
May 24

Btw, reinforcements are out there, and very available. Check out the Democratic, progressive, environmental, or Indivisible groups near you.

Our local Indivisible group is active! We…
- write guest editorials and letters to the editor,
- gather to wave signs on busy traffic corners,
- organize events,
- organize and/or join meetings with other groups,
- host monthly “Postcard Parties” at a popular local restaurant where we write postcards to our reps to nag them to support OUR issues or to stop ignoring what we want, and more!

We do quite a few of these gatherings-with-purpose, and everyone’s invited. We also team up with other local groups of shared interest. You leave these things feeling like you actually DID something to back up and spread what you believe in. It can be quite gratifying!

AND MOST IMPORTANT: you discover that you’re not alone in how you feel about the issues and the state of things.

HEARTILY recommended!

Bundbuster

(3,514 posts)
9. 110 former tRump voters now damning him, in print & video
Fri May 24, 2024, 02:27 AM
May 24

Hours of reading & viewing pleasure here, part of a $50 million campaign by Republican Voters Against Trump

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218773989

DoBW

(1,219 posts)
12. polls are tailored for agendas; pay no heed
Fri May 24, 2024, 05:32 AM
May 24

supression polls are designed to sap hope, wear down spirit, and neutralize voters

betsuni

(26,602 posts)
13. The U.S. is a very large diverse country. Military, government, police have followed equal opportunity
Fri May 24, 2024, 06:17 AM
May 24

hiring practices for decades, are not white nationalist fascist private clubs willing to mindlessly go along with Trump. Not all Americans are idiots. Will work out in the end. How long is the question.

TSExile

(3,223 posts)
22. Remember women!!
Fri May 24, 2024, 10:37 AM
May 24

Starting with Dobbs, the Grand Old Patriarchy has kicked over a hornets nest. I believe most female humans do not appreciate being treated like they are livestock and need to be regulated. Women are ANGRY and will take that anger to the voting booth!! ♀️♀️♀️♀️♀️

RobinA

(9,992 posts)
34. See, I Really Wish
Fri May 24, 2024, 03:05 PM
May 24

I could believe this, but I don't see it in real life. Everybody I know who is pissed about Dobbs et al. never voted for Trump in the first place. And I see plenty of women who don't really care because it doesn't affect them. Or they don't think it does. Or, they think a Kamala Harris administration would be worse than Trump somehow. As in - I would vote for Joe, but he'll never last another four years and then we'll have Kamala Harris as President, so I'm voting for Trump.

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