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riversedge

(80,805 posts)
Sat May 25, 2024, 08:14 AM May 2024

NEW: Tonight, concerned that Trump's escalating rhetoric..the Special Counsel's office is asking





NEW: Tonight, concerned that Trump’s escalating rhetoric about the standard instructions attached to the MAL search warrant will result in violence against law enforcement, the Special Counsel’s office is asking not for a gag order, but to modify Trump’s conditions of release. 1/







That matters because when Trump was first indicted, his bond — which he signed —
made clear that his continued release was conditioned on his compliance with certain terms. 2/









For example, Trump’s order not only prohibits him from violating any federal, state or local law while on release
but also precludes his speaking to any fact witnesses on a list shared with his lawyers
about the facts of the case, except through their respective lawyers.



/


@lawofruby
But in asking to modify Trump’s conditions of release to prohibit his making statements that pose a “significant, imminent, and foreseeable danger” to law enforcement involved in the investigation and prosecution of the MAL case, the Special Counsel is upping the ante. 4/






Lisa Rubin @lawofruby
Why? Because where a defendant violates a condition of his release, the consequences can include “the immediate issuance of a warrant for the defendant’s arrest, a revocation of release, and order of detention,” as well as a prosecution for contempt. 5/









@lawofruby
But perhaps most importantly, if Judge Cannon denies this motion,
it is immediately appealable to the 11th Circuit under federal statute, which provides in relevant part:


https://law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/3731









**See LBN for article about the above:

Prosecutors Seek To Bar Trump In Classified Files Case From Statements Endangering Law Enforcement
The request follows a false claim by Trump earlier this week that the FBI agents who searched his home in August 2022 were “authorized to shoot me.”

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143245897





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NEW: Tonight, concerned that Trump's escalating rhetoric..the Special Counsel's office is asking (Original Post) riversedge May 2024 OP
Trump is a clear and present danger to democracy. Kid Berwyn May 2024 #1
Trump is a clear and present danger. Period. meow2u3 May 2024 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music May 2024 #40
BOOM. Mike Niendorff May 2024 #2
Same here! PatSeg May 2024 #6
She has little to no reason for being on the bench. paleotn May 2024 #12
Yes, it is pretty scary PatSeg May 2024 #16
Maybe Heritage had already gotten most of their right-wing judges appointed and Cannon was in the bottom of the barrel. Lonestarblue May 2024 #18
Possible. Who knows? paleotn May 2024 #22
No joke, she was just in the right place.... getagrip_already May 2024 #26
Apparently supporting Dolt 45 is the only Dark n Stormy Knight May 2024 #43
She's part of their religious cult. BComplex May 2024 #28
Yep. Quit going easy. calimary May 2024 #23
Yup wryter2000 May 2024 #31
She'll just put it in the "to do" pile intrepidity May 2024 #35
Paper threats. Cartoonist May 2024 #3
Yeah. How about some 6-figure fines...or cuffs? Girard442 May 2024 #7
This is Judge Cannon. I fear not much will happen -maybe not riversedge May 2024 #17
Exactly birdographer May 2024 #20
Blah blah blah Fullduplexxx May 2024 #4
Lock him up, with him behind bars maybe the media will be honest with their reporting KS Toronado May 2024 #5
Smith has just put Cannon in a damn near impossible position Takket May 2024 #8
Clarence will coach her nt ArkansasDemocrat1 May 2024 #10
Clarence isn't smart enough wryter2000 May 2024 #32
Dummy Thomas must have oasis May 2024 #34
What if she just doesn't rule on it? intrepidity May 2024 #36
She might just sit on it and do nohing, no denial of wnylib May 2024 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author wnylib May 2024 #41
Good dweller May 2024 #9
Republican traitors to America need a mega-dose of justice BoRaGard May 2024 #11
Throw his ass in jail. paleotn May 2024 #13
Cannon won't deny the motion CanonRay May 2024 #14
So she either approves it and we're one step closer to Trump's arrest bucolic_frolic May 2024 #15
So, the 11th Circuit Court is the answer, eh? jaxexpat May 2024 #19
Every single iota of pressure on Trump is appreciated. He is not immune to pressure. Martin68 May 2024 #24
...", if Judge Cannon denies this motion,"..., putting the puppet judge between a rock and a hard place. republianmushroom May 2024 #25
So she will hold a hearing, maybe in 4 weeks... getagrip_already May 2024 #27
Nailed it. nt intrepidity May 2024 #38
Thread reader app littlemissmartypants May 2024 #29
Thank you for this post & the link to LBN Hekate May 2024 #30
What about the RW organ grinders...... wolfie001 May 2024 #33
Here's an MSNBC article with more info and easier to read than Xwitter feeds FakeNoose May 2024 #37
Judge Cannon was allegedly selected "at random" from a group of 3 (4?) in that District. I'd like to hear more about Evolve Dammit May 2024 #42
I wonder how long Cannon will sit on the motion before she has to respond? A week? A month? Next year? padah513 May 2024 #44
Well, if you guessed "she'll just deny it", congrats. You were right. Takket May 2024 #45

Kid Berwyn

(24,375 posts)
1. Trump is a clear and present danger to democracy.
Sat May 25, 2024, 08:23 AM
May 2024

Stealing, Hoarding, Hiding hundreds of the nation’s most sensitive military secrets and he communicates in secret with our nation’s greatest adversary makes clear he should not be free to do more harm.

meow2u3

(25,250 posts)
21. Trump is a clear and present danger. Period.
Sat May 25, 2024, 10:24 AM
May 2024

He must be stopped, even if it means he's forced to run for President from a jail cell.

Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #1)

Mike Niendorff

(3,650 posts)
2. BOOM.
Sat May 25, 2024, 08:25 AM
May 2024

"But perhaps most importantly, if Judge Cannon denies this motion, it is immediately appealable to the 11th Circuit"

Ok, you've got my attention now.


MDN

paleotn

(22,211 posts)
12. She has little to no reason for being on the bench.
Sat May 25, 2024, 09:52 AM
May 2024

She's woefully unqualified. I wonder who at Heritage Foundation floated her name for the federal bench? It's not some big conspiracy as no one could have foretold current events. Seems it was just a fuckup or Cannon had a buddy somewhere at Heritage.

PatSeg

(53,214 posts)
16. Yes, it is pretty scary
Sat May 25, 2024, 10:01 AM
May 2024

that someone so unqualified could end up being a district court judge.

Lonestarblue

(13,477 posts)
18. Maybe Heritage had already gotten most of their right-wing judges appointed and Cannon was in the bottom of the barrel.
Sat May 25, 2024, 10:11 AM
May 2024

paleotn

(22,211 posts)
22. Possible. Who knows?
Sat May 25, 2024, 10:55 AM
May 2024

Maybe adding her name was actually someone's attempt at a joke. Then she actually got appointed. Oops.

getagrip_already

(17,802 posts)
26. No joke, she was just in the right place....
Sat May 25, 2024, 12:14 PM
May 2024

Nobody wanted to work in that court, but she actually lived there. It a one judge ghost town.

McConnell was looking for anyone interested and her name popped up.

Her qualifications didn't matter. She supported trump.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(10,484 posts)
43. Apparently supporting Dolt 45 is the only
Sun May 26, 2024, 06:10 AM
May 2024

qualification necessary for Republican support for someone to fill any Republican position now. Maybe she got in under the new rules early.

Wait, did I say "supporting"? I meant "showing slavish devotion to."

BComplex

(9,912 posts)
28. She's part of their religious cult.
Sat May 25, 2024, 12:35 PM
May 2024

That's the criteria the most powerful members of the Heritage Foundation use to pick a judge.

wryter2000

(47,940 posts)
31. Yup
Sat May 25, 2024, 01:46 PM
May 2024

I bet she grants the request. Then the question is what happens when Trump violates the terms?

riversedge

(80,805 posts)
17. This is Judge Cannon. I fear not much will happen -maybe not
Sat May 25, 2024, 10:04 AM
May 2024

even get to court?? if enough Dems do not vote. maybe maybe.

birdographer

(2,937 posts)
20. Exactly
Sat May 25, 2024, 10:18 AM
May 2024

We are once again with him back to "I'll believe it when I see it." Bring out the skates.

KS Toronado

(23,727 posts)
5. Lock him up, with him behind bars maybe the media will be honest with their reporting
Sat May 25, 2024, 09:05 AM
May 2024

Plus ole Smelvis is probably hoping to go there anyway so he can play the victim thinking his poll numbers would
go up. And don't allow any media in to talk to him and censor his letters to mail.

Takket

(23,714 posts)
8. Smith has just put Cannon in a damn near impossible position
Sat May 25, 2024, 09:29 AM
May 2024

I don’t know how she can bullshit her way out of this.

wryter2000

(47,940 posts)
32. Clarence isn't smart enough
Sat May 25, 2024, 01:49 PM
May 2024

It’s a wonder he can function at all without Scalia to tell him what to do.

oasis

(53,692 posts)
34. Dummy Thomas must have
Sat May 25, 2024, 02:46 PM
May 2024

law clerks who work overtime and weekends.
He is disgracefully lightweight.

intrepidity

(8,582 posts)
36. What if she just doesn't rule on it?
Sat May 25, 2024, 03:06 PM
May 2024

There's a whole stack of pending motions on her desk.

wnylib

(26,008 posts)
39. She might just sit on it and do nohing, no denial of
Sat May 25, 2024, 08:13 PM
May 2024

the request and no approval of it.

What are Smith's options if she does that?

Response to Takket (Reply #8)

bucolic_frolic

(55,129 posts)
15. So she either approves it and we're one step closer to Trump's arrest
Sat May 25, 2024, 10:00 AM
May 2024

or she denies it and it's appealed to 11th circuit who will want to know why she denied it and if she's competent or biased for denying it.

She's boxed in from what I can tell.

I wonder if this is in anticipation of what Trump will say on the Manhattan courthouse steps if he's convicted. Like 'stand by's over, CHARGE or you won't have a country anymore!!'

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
19. So, the 11th Circuit Court is the answer, eh?
Sat May 25, 2024, 10:12 AM
May 2024

Why didn't someone mention that before? We could have used them ........often, then, since January 2017 through January 2021.

In the future, it would be helpful if they would just speak up a little sooner. But the good thing is that now we've got it all sorted out and seen to. Justice will just fire up the boilers and we should be under way shortly. Fais bon Voyage, everyone.

I feel so much better already. Nothing but blue sky and fair sailing as far as the eye can see. How about a refreshing beverage? Don't mind if I do. Such a good day to be alive.

Martin68

(27,741 posts)
24. Every single iota of pressure on Trump is appreciated. He is not immune to pressure.
Sat May 25, 2024, 12:05 PM
May 2024

The cumulative effect of multiple avenues of investigation and calls for accounting on Trump are having, and will continue to have, a powerful effect on his state of mind. If he were a normal person, he'd withdraw a bit and watch his mouth. We all know he just can't do that. so he will continue to keep making things harder on himself.

republianmushroom

(22,323 posts)
25. ...", if Judge Cannon denies this motion,"..., putting the puppet judge between a rock and a hard place.
Sat May 25, 2024, 12:09 PM
May 2024

GOOD !

getagrip_already

(17,802 posts)
27. So she will hold a hearing, maybe in 4 weeks...
Sat May 25, 2024, 12:24 PM
May 2024

She will give tsf 2 weeks to file his response then Smith 2 weeks to respond to that.

She will hold a hearing, maybe delay it for some reason first, and maybe find one count of something, which she will set aside as a first offense, while admonishing Smith.

And she will do it in a way he can't appeal on.

littlemissmartypants

(33,579 posts)
29. Thread reader app
Sat May 25, 2024, 01:25 PM
May 2024
https://threadreaderapp.com/
Thread Reader helps you read and share Twitter threads easily!

Search
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Click on Copy Link to Tweet
Paste it above and click "Unroll Thread"!
More info at Twitter Help
Or you can just paste the ID like 1644127596119195649 from


Here's the link to your "unroll" from my search:
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wolfie001

(7,665 posts)
33. What about the RW organ grinders......
Sat May 25, 2024, 02:37 PM
May 2024

.....such as Fox News, OAN, NewsMax and others spewing disinformation that the Orange Menace wants spread far and wide? Blatant lies by the way.

FakeNoose

(41,622 posts)
37. Here's an MSNBC article with more info and easier to read than Xwitter feeds
Sat May 25, 2024, 03:08 PM
May 2024

(I refuse to click on Xweets, so I try to find the info elsewhere)

Lisa Rubin is a lawyer and former prosecutor who consulted on this article, and it was just published yesterday around the same time the Xwitter feed dropped.

Link: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/prosecutors-ask-judge-aileen-cannon-block-trump-statements-endangering-rcna154028

"Prosecutors ask judge in classified documents case to block Trump from statements endangering law enforcement"

Evolve Dammit

(21,774 posts)
42. Judge Cannon was allegedly selected "at random" from a group of 3 (4?) in that District. I'd like to hear more about
Sat May 25, 2024, 08:38 PM
May 2024

how that process was established in the first place, and what the specifics were in terms of "selecting" her for one of the most important cases in U.S. history?
We the People were not presented with that info that I recall?

padah513

(2,710 posts)
44. I wonder how long Cannon will sit on the motion before she has to respond? A week? A month? Next year?
Sun May 26, 2024, 07:10 AM
May 2024

Thomas, Alito, Cannon... They do it right out in the open now.

Takket

(23,714 posts)
45. Well, if you guessed "she'll just deny it", congrats. You were right.
Tue May 28, 2024, 11:45 AM
May 2024

I guess I was wrong about her being in an “impossible position” because I foolishly believed she might actually wrestle with her own morality on this issue.

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