What Deporting 15 Million People Would Actually Look Like

[babylonsister]

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/5/25/2242703/-What-Deporting-15-Million-People-Would-Actually-Look-Like

What Deporting 15 Million People Would Actually Look Like
Saturday, May 25, 2024 at 9:44:45a EDT
kindler


This time, we sure as hell better take Trump LITERALLY. When he says he intends to do something crazy as president, we need to let every voter out there know what his plans are and what they would mean in real life -- to make sure he never gets the opportunity.

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“15 million people [is] about the size of the three largest U.S. cities combined — New York, L.A., and Chicago — plus Pittsburgh.”

“The deportation army Miller and Trump want to assemble…would likely exceed the size of the U.S. Army itself.”

“According to the Center for Migration Studies, under Trump’s plan about 5.7 million U.S.-born, U.S. citizen children would lose one or both parents.”

“The pre-World War II Jewish population of Europe…was about 9 million. So just in terms of transporting people, we’re looking at an operation that would need to be two thirds larger than the Nazi transport of Jews during the Holocaust...”

“In 2017, ICE estimated that it cost an average of $10,854 to deport one person, or about $14,000 in today’s dollars. Under this calculation, Trump’s plan to deport 15 million people would cost about $210 billion, or about 14 percent more than the annual budget of the U.S. Army.”

“As of January, federal immigration courts were already working with a backlog of 3 million cases. Adding millions more cases would likely grind the system to a halt.”

“Miller and other immigration hawks are fond of citing the epithetically named ‘Operation Wetback’ as their model. This was the lawless, militaristic deportation program carried out by the Eisenhower administration. […] Historians have put the number of deportations [at around] 250,000 […] So even the notoriously brutal, civil-liberties trampling mass deportation that Miller and other immigration hawks recall so fondly only removed between 2 and 7 percent of the immigrants Trump wants to deport.”

In short, Trump and his cheerleaders are promising us an unimaginably disruptive, devastating, expensive, resource-intensive and epically cruel operation, which would impact people in every corner of the country and leave the kinds of wounds in our society and across the world that may never heal.

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[walkingman]

1. Not gonna happen - even if he were to win - which he isn't.

It is similar to Mexico paying for the border wall. Just talk.

Hell, we can't even close down GITMO, we sure are going to deport millions of people. It is a simplistic bunch of rhetoric targeting those that threaten White Anglo patriarchy in America.

[LuvLoogie]

19. That's not the point. He will have created a condition for condoning open season on anyone who looks like

an undesirable immigrant. Racial discrimination in businesses, housing, transactions, policing. Assaults, murders and thefts going unpunished, or even investigated. One doesn't have to be deported in order to make one's life hell.

The white hegemony will force the browns to fight for the scraps of their abuse.

[COL Mustard]

23. Also on US Citizens who happen to look "wrong"

If you're brown, you're down. If you're black, no slack. It's going to be open season on anyone non-white, and probably some of us as well. I'll damn sure work against him if he should win.

[Attilatheblond]

25. IF he wins and acts on this plan, I want an investigation into how Melania got a 'genius' label to gain entry to US

She is no genius and so, an illegal immigrant.

Oh, is THAT how he intends to stiff her and her anchor baby instead of paying all the dough she signed up for?

[John Shaft]

52. "going to be?"

I get what you're saying, but it's been open season on blacks and browns in this country since its inception.

[COL Mustard]

54. It'll be more open

If he wins.

[hadEnuf]

26. This

[walkingman]

31. Your right - the recent attack on DEI is the first step in rolling back any gains

that might have been made in the last 60 years. Justice Thomas recent statements concerning Brown v Board of Education prove that. Never underestimate nasty people.

[brush]

41. Correct, correct, correct on every point. It will never happen and the fat bastard will not win.

[Lonestarblue]

2. In addition to the huge cost of deporting so many people is the cost of wrecking the economy.

The anti-immigrant cult never stops to think that most of the undocumented people in this country who are not children are workers. They work in many industries, but they are the backbone of our national food supply chain. Now imagine what will happen to food inflation when a few million workers are suddenly removed from planting and harvesting crops and processing poultry and other meat. Most of these jobs are low wage, and with a very low unemployment rate there would be few workers to replace them and few workers who would even take those jobs.

Trump and the MAGA crowd never bother to think about consequences. They just like to hate on people.

[CrispyQ]

7. I saw this on FB a few weeks ago.

I'm still looking for the berry picker who lost their job to an immigrant.

Last year the crew that re-roofed our house was entirely Hispanic & the temp was mid-upper 90s.

[Marthe48]

16. I just picked a couple quarts of strawberries this morning

Close to the end of the season, so it took me about 1/2 hour. I wouldn't want to do it for a living. Some of the farms locally employ migrants.

The company that I hired to put a roof on my house was rec. by a friend. I went with them because their rep. was Black. The crew that put the roof on were all Latino, at least one woman. I appreciated the diversity.

[getagrip_already]

8. Cheaper just to take them offshore and drown them

They will eventually come to that conclusion. Put them on barges and dump them at sea.

Not very resource intensive in comparison.

[PatSeg]

13. True

Plus how would the U.S. get other countries to take so many people? It is a nightmare scenario from pretty much every perspective. Meanwhile, fruits and vegetables will be rotting in the fields and food prices will skyrocket.

[wnylib]

48. They would end up in detention camps, indefinitely.

Possibly used as slave labor with inadequate food and housing, no medical care, and allowed to die from the conditions. There's already a 20th century blueprint to follow for that.

[PatSeg]

55. Probably

Sadly, I can picture that. The cruelty of is so predictable.

[Marthe48]

10. My opinion

The effort to remove illegal workers from food processing plants while traitor was wrecking the country opened the door for unskilled, untrained people who didn't know how to safely handle food or equipment and helped the number of food related infections and processing injuries to increase.

Also, if illegals are working for a legitimate company, they are paying into SS and Medicare, even if they can't draw from SS or use Medicare. Their contributions are keeping SS solvent until another solution appears. Although, deporting millions of people would help the rwnj destroy SS and Medicare, so it is probably a feature, not a bug.

[getagrip_already]

17. I think you stumbled onto something here....

Since they will be incarcerated awaiting deportation, they can be put to work as prison labor.

Legal slaves, assigned to farms, packing houses, construction sites, pleasure units, wherever they are needed, at no pay. Under guard. Killed at will. Prisoners. No rights, enforced by scotus.

Pending deportation.

[DENVERPOPS]

35. Trump and Republican Politicians

would probably figure out a way to sell them as slaves to Third World countries run by dictators......

Trump already gets the max # of those special H1B????Visas for his Resorts and golf courses. He would just award himself the number of those visas to take care of everyone working in any of his businesses..........Those Visas were designed to allow specialized and talented workers in some industries to come to the U.S. Think: computer geeks......They were not intended to allow the Uber Rich to get house hold workers for ridiculously low wages. Same for Hospitality workers, (hotel maids, restaurant workers, manual labor workers, etc)
Of course, the Uber Rich and just plain wealthy and alot of corporations in the U.S. would get an exemption for THEIR children caregivers, cleaning ladies, house keepers, gardeners, landscapers, lawn care, janitors, laborers,......And a special exemption that would allow the employer to not pay a decent wage, not pay any fringe benefits, no paid holidays or sick days, no SSI contribution, no medical, no workers comp, no unemployment, etc etc etc

Oh, wait.......they are already are doing that!!!!!! Rarely, if ever, are their green card raids in wealthy neighborhoods, food prep corporations, packing plants, and esp in the construction industries........

[Farmer-Rick]

37. This always gets my goat

They scream and hollar about illegal immigrants but then hire them left and right to run their farms and do all the harvesting.

Well here's a surprise, most farm laborers aren't illegal.

There are special programs set up with South American countries to bring in "seasonal" farm laborers. The pay to the worker is crap, 90% of the time it's less than minimum wage. There are a lot of fees and a few never enforced requirements like lodging and welfare controls.

But it's all perfectly legal, they are the backbone of the US food chain.

They should unionize.

[Deep State Witch]

44. And Then They Complain

About the price of groceries going up.

[NickB79]

3. It would devastate our economy

A true Great Depression level blow

[multigraincracker]

4. If you want to lower crime,

just start deportation of the Russian Mob. Drugs and prostitution crime would be cut in half.
But they have the correct paint job.

[Captain Zero]

5. Start with the Russian Mob Money Lauderers

Confiscate all their funds and give them to Ukraine.

[paleotn]

6. Ain't happening. Just mindless yapping from the reich.

[WmChris]

14. Agreed

Red meat for the mindless followers. The rich are not about to deport their cheap disposable work force, at least until they're injured on the job or attempt to stand up for their rights.

[dembotoz]

28. do worry about what maga thugs would do in his name

jim crow was easy and not sanctioned...those folks would different from me.
Hispanics also look different....

to give a green light to thugs is not a good idea

[wnylib]

49. Several million Germans said the same thing

for 12 years, from 1933 to 1945.

[MichMan]

9. Would that include those whose asylum claims are denied? n/t

[Hotler]

11. And then the Christian Taliban will come for us Dems & Libs. nt

[onethatcares]

12. "Who's gonna build your wall?" by Tim Russell

pretty much sums it up.

[cbabe]

39. "It's a pyramid scheme of dirty jobs And who's gonna build your wall?"

https://m.

[orange jar]

15. Vote for Trump because you're "economically anxious"

and end up with a devastating recession. Somehow I get the feeling that their supposed "economic anxiety" will be magically nonexistent even as their towns turn into Trump versions of Hoovervilles.

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

20. Trumptowns nt

[rubbersole]

18. Mar a lardo wouldn't have any staff....

[Irish_Dem]

32. Or wives.

[Shipwack]

21. Everyone here is making good points about the cost, but...

The price to implement this plan will not be as high as the estimates. Trump and his cronies will cut corners and save money. Look at how little effort they put into their child kidnapping (aka 'Family Separation') policy.

Paperwork will be ignored.

Reports will not be required, except for maybe a generic "body count" of how many persons were rounded up that day. Whether or not those persons were actually undocumented immigrants will be immaterial.

There will be minimal, if any, training for the hundreds of duly deputized "enforcers".

Hell, a vast proportion of the enforcers might be volunteers and not need to be paid.

As for the empty fields and factories, we have full prisons to work them (especially with all the arrested protestors that will arrive). If it's legal for prison labor to make license plates or furniture or fight fires* for pennies a day, this would be legal too.

As I said, just look at how the Trump Administration handled family separation, and multiply that by a hundred. It's still going to cost the nation dearly to implement, but the figleaf of a "plan" they'll offer will keep enough people quiet to get it implemented.

*Inmate firefighters get a bit over $5/hourday when actively fighting a fire.

[Wild blueberry]

22. Oh those pesky facts

getting in the way of sadistic bullshit.
Thank you for the clarity of numbers.

[dembotoz]

24. does that mean not taco trucks on every corner????? oh damn i am hungry

[Turbineguy]

27. He promises to do something crazy

But he'll only do something incompetent.

He's a bullshitter and a fuck-up.

[Attilatheblond]

29. The ONLY thing GOP pols learned from the past AZ fiasco of 'paper please' and Arpaio's 'round up any brown people'

was that it got the GOP pols votes with idiot bigots.

[hadEnuf]

30. Miller is a nazi.

Just in case there were any lingering doubts.

[AZ8theist]

47. A self-hating Jew....

[sop]

33. Trump will say anything to shore up his flagging MAGA support.

The more cruel and despotic his promises, the better they like him.

[Irish_Dem]

34. Steve Bannon will figure out a way to get rich off of it.

[relayerbob]

36. The court costs would be zero

There would no “cases”, they would simply plow into neighborhoods and grab people. The per person costs would be lower, since they would simply herd the neighborhoods into cattle cars. Given that no one would accept that many deportees to their country, they would simply ship them to camps. And the number would far exceed 15 million when they were done. This has all been done before

[flashman13]

38. At a minimum please read the full Dailykos article. It is worth your time.

[Quixote1818]

40. Great debate topic for Biden. Nt

[dalton99a]

42. You can't deport if the receiving country refuses to accept

[budkin]

43. They will attempt it if he wins...

So we can’t let him win.

[niyad]

45. Keith Olbermann did one of his Resistance pieces on GQ back during the

Reign of Terror on this topic. Quite enlightening.

[Hekate]

46. KnR

[keithbvadu2]

50. Maybe Donald can promise that Mexico will pay for it?

???

[no_hypocrisy]

51. HOW this would be accomplished, logistically and financially,

would make the entire venture unfathomable.

It's not like undocumented immigrants are living with something that would make them identifiable. Or there's a current federal directory of their names and addresses, making their collection easy. Plus, even if there were such a directory, they'd move to avoid being collected.

And the money. If Trump has to choose between completing HIS wall and deporting undocumented immigrants, my money (so to speak) is on the wall. There isn't enough revenue to do both.

[doc03]

53. He won't do it but it sounds good to the MAGAs. Trump said if he ever ran

for president it would be as a Republican because will fall for anything, or words to that affect.
Republicans are pretty much scared of everything, that talk makes them think he is a tough guy.

[mcar]

56. Maybe someone should let Rep. Tlaib

and all the others who claim they won't vote for Pres. Biden know about this.

[Cha]

57. Kick