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jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
Sun May 26, 2024, 11:44 AM May 2024

Alright already, enough of the only one "t" sound in the word important.

I absolutely lose 90-99% of my respect for someone's message when they tell me how imporunt it is to hear what they have to say. Why is this happening? Is it to associate oneself with something cool? What is the game? Do we understand that the punch line for this perversion of the English language includes the perpetrators laughing behind our backs at how "hook, line and sinker" gullible and "grab shiny thing" groupyesque this proves us to be?

Is it really important enough to artificially and intentionally alter your speech to conform with another stupid fad? Please, somebody disabuse me of this aggravation. Explain why it shouldn't bother me when I am assailed with evidence proving that the species is ever accelerating in its relentless self-debasement and well-deserved extinction.

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Alright already, enough of the only one "t" sound in the word important. (Original Post) jaxexpat May 2024 OP
I have no idea what you are talking about? RandomNumbers May 2024 #1
Younger people mostly. viva la May 2024 #39
Me, neither - not all of it claudette May 2024 #78
I don't think it is inentional. nt Shermann May 2024 #2
I don't even know how you would say it.... Fla Dem May 2024 #3
I sometimes hear it pronounced "im poe ' end". niyad May 2024 #30
Same Rebl2 May 2024 #67
"...enough of the only one "t" sound in the word important...evidence proving that the species is ever accelerating LudwigPastorius May 2024 #4
Get back with me when you're sure it's really nothing after all. jaxexpat May 2024 #7
I'm just afraid to ask you... LudwigPastorius May 2024 #10
Depends ProfessorGAC May 2024 #21
I'm afraid I'll have to look that up in the libary. viva la May 2024 #41
You're listening to a cliched 1940s Cockney if you're hearing "haitch" and "you" muriel_volestrangler May 2024 #50
I remember the linguistics prof making us all pronounce: viva la May 2024 #54
Ah yes, I've heard that one before muriel_volestrangler May 2024 #60
They're not "supposed" to sound different. Foolacious May 2024 #69
plus, fertogrphfy mahina May 2024 #65
It's a thing to ponder, for sure. jaxexpat May 2024 #98
"It's pronounced 'aitch' " (Mitchell & Webb) sl8 May 2024 #106
They should be stuffed head-first into a hot chimley. Hermit-The-Prog May 2024 #99
I think it is something akin to valley talk HAB911 May 2024 #5
Like, you know, uh, duh. C'mon man. That's so far out it gags me with a spoon. Cool? jaxexpat May 2024 #8
It's very common in Brooklyn and Bronx dhol82 May 2024 #61
I'd rather hear I mean, than so Marthe48 May 2024 #34
I'm with you on the "So", Marthe. Diamond_Dog May 2024 #109
I've noticed that too! It's a younger person thing, I think. viva la May 2024 #53
I di-un notice. Qutzupalotl May 2024 #6
Bless you! jaxexpat May 2024 #9
Makes me crazy when announcers and reporters do that mcar May 2024 #11
It's like they've joined a club or something. jaxexpat May 2024 #12
I recall a whole NPR piece GenThePerservering May 2024 #13
In Texas, it's very impordant to support the awl industry gulliver May 2024 #14
It's the awl bidness SARose May 2024 #107
It's been happening for years. Ms. Toad May 2024 #15
Its more an intentional disruption of normalcy than an affectation. It is political. jaxexpat May 2024 #16
All I can tell you is that it has happenned around here for years - at least a decade. Ms. Toad May 2024 #25
Only in the broadest terms. in a village astride a stream there were the Wests and the Easts. jaxexpat May 2024 #100
I am in my 50s, and I drop the middle T most times obamanut2012 May 2024 #125
I hear local TV newscasters say things like "needs fixed" instead of "needs to be fixed." Diamond_Dog May 2024 #110
That idiom is popular here in Western Pennsylvania. John1956PA May 2024 #138
The emergent glottal stop in the broader American sphere... Hekate May 2024 #17
If only.......... jaxexpat May 2024 #20
The pronunciation of Clinton as Clin'on was driving me buggy. Then I decided that's all it was, as I realized there were Hekate May 2024 #85
Whhhale made me think of this: happybird May 2024 #119
Had a funny experience in a grad seminar with an English prof. I said "whale" with the H... Hekate May 2024 #120
lol jesus WhiskeyGrinder May 2024 #18
Colloquial culture, even dialectical differences, okay. jaxexpat May 2024 #24
"Too arbitrary to be organic." Yeah welcome to linguistics. Organic is arbitrary. WhiskeyGrinder May 2024 #26
I dunno Rebl2 May 2024 #73
Thanks for the "dunno." That made me smile. John1956PA May 2024 #142
I am in my 50s, I do that, everyone i know does obamanut2012 May 2024 #128
I am in my 50s and do not say that middle T obamanut2012 May 2024 #127
As bad if not worse than the mispronunciation of 'pecan' Torchlight May 2024 #19
Yeah! What Torchlight Said! ProfessorGAC May 2024 #22
I always pronounce "pecan" the same exact way Xavier Breath May 2024 #33
These are pee-cans: LeftInTX May 2024 #43
I see. Xavier Breath May 2024 #48
I'm not getting involvedmin that one. SarahD May 2024 #52
I don't blame you. I avoided my own pronunciation on purpose Torchlight May 2024 #72
I watch "The View." Whoopi pronounces "yesterday" as "yestaday," Sarah's "always" has no L, Sunny betsuni May 2024 #23
Well then you must be apoplectic over the mispronunciation of nuclear Raven123 May 2024 #27
As much as I despised the Shrub dpibel May 2024 #49
In the south is often IM-PORDANT Skittles May 2024 #28
awwww, well bless your heart being so open with your opinion Alpeduez21 May 2024 #36
The dropped T is NOT an accent. vanlassie May 2024 #46
it's not an ACCENT Skittles May 2024 #56
A whole region (the south) has a mispronunciation? That's not the result of an accent? Alpeduez21 May 2024 #89
I said SOME, not every here mispronounces Skittles May 2024 #121
I've hear it as piddyprints May 2024 #58
MTG says impordant and it drives me up a wall. Hassin Bin Sober May 2024 #123
Every time I hear someone say that singular "t", I am reminded of a very old niyad May 2024 #29
Yes! happybird May 2024 #31
English has some silent consonants... Think. Again. May 2024 #32
Many of my family members like to add an S where none exists. Xavier Breath May 2024 #35
Same with my in laws. So, annoying...New Braunfels became News Braunsfels LeftInTX May 2024 #45
I have heard Diamond_Dog May 2024 #111
That one has a long history and is regional Blues Heron May 2024 #62
I always thought... Think. Again. May 2024 #66
Good article on the history of height vs. heighth here Blues Heron May 2024 #74
Thanks! Think. Again. May 2024 #75
Never had Luthiers in my village. Never even saw one un-il I was at the universi-y jaxexpat May 2024 #101
I have often benefitted greatly by hearing what people say Alpeduez21 May 2024 #37
I've been noticing that too. viva la May 2024 #38
if you can understand what they're saying bigtree May 2024 #40
Everyone's entitled to a linguistic pet peeve or three, and I understand that it's important to you. 0rganism May 2024 #42
OK, here's a six and a half minute video on the pronunciation of "important". Jim__ May 2024 #44
A lot of people in the South pronounce it "impordant". Aristus May 2024 #47
Nobody tell'em about interest or interesting n/t Alpeduez21 May 2024 #51
Or "genelmen" or the ad where the woman yorkster May 2024 #83
You pronounce the first T? Are you trying to sound British? Scrivener7 May 2024 #55
Try removing the "r." SarahD May 2024 #57
There is an ad for Kuhl clothes where the voiceover has a fairly extreme case of what you are noticing Blues Heron May 2024 #59
Negociations are in progerse. (nt) Pinback May 2024 #63
It bugs me when empty G says 'impordent" mahina May 2024 #64
And how... after centuries... has "lose" become... LOOSE??????? WarGamer May 2024 #68
Prolly a lost cause... Thunderbeast May 2024 #70
At high school choir concert earlier this year... Bettie May 2024 #71
ImporDant Stardust Mirror May 2024 #76
Dropping the first R in infrastructure... Easterncedar May 2024 #77
That kind of dropped T is a super common feature Happy Hoosier May 2024 #79
An American, in my 50s, I drop that middle T obamanut2012 May 2024 #130
Worse than that is claudette May 2024 #80
Little Miss Persnickity Language Person here. SarahD May 2024 #82
I keep wondering claudette May 2024 #95
You rule! jaxexpat May 2024 #102
I gave up awhile ago intrepidity May 2024 #81
Feb-you-erry. (Shudder emoji) n/t dobleremolque May 2024 #84
Do you hate it a little or a lot? Iggo May 2024 #86
Maybe you're alright, maybe. It's the "im-por-unt" that's offensive, jaxexpat May 2024 #103
"One T's" first cousin imporDant is my pet earburn. Stinky The Clown May 2024 #87
I know exactly what the OP is saying.. . Patterson May 2024 #88
You pernickety people must be a real gas at parties. GenThePerservering May 2024 #90
Might it be a result of texting? BlueSpot May 2024 #91
Hmmm, a language based on auto-correction programming. jaxexpat May 2024 #104
I'm confused. As a oldster I never pronounce the second T flamingdem May 2024 #92
Are you talking about absolutely no "t" sound at all... Silent3 May 2024 #93
Excellent point and no. There is no "t" sound to start the "tant" in "important" in my experience. jaxexpat May 2024 #97
Pedantifico! JoseBalow May 2024 #94
It doesn't bother me canetoad May 2024 #96
umm . . . John Shaft May 2024 #105
I have no idea or care what this is about but apparently 107 people do. nt doc03 May 2024 #108
I used to think this was. Miami problem malaise May 2024 #112
It could be worse than skipping a consonant ColinC May 2024 #113
Do you pronounce the "t" in "often?" MineralMan May 2024 #114
Depends, that "t" is usually expressed as a subtle* pause not followed by the tongue tapping "tuh" sound, similarly... jaxexpat May 2024 #116
I don't pronounce the "b" in "subtle". LeftInTX May 2024 #118
Of course you don't. but............Would you, though, if all the cool kids in the gang were doing it? jaxexpat May 2024 #122
You have been releatedly told this isn't a socisl media Zoomer thing obamanut2012 May 2024 #132
So, then, what? I was repeatedly told we were protecting America with our war in Vietnam, jaxexpat May 2024 #135
No. I even spelled it: "offen" the first time I wrote it. (I usually got 100's in spelling) LeftInTX May 2024 #117
How about T as D. "Liddle" for little. yorkster May 2024 #115
Such matters of accent don't bother me Emrys May 2024 #124
I am in my 50s and do this and always have obamanut2012 May 2024 #126
They add a whole stop though so it sounds like Deh ist - they take out the T and the N Blues Heron May 2024 #131
IWho is "they"? obamanut2012 May 2024 #133
whoever is doing it - its mostly a hipster youtube thing in my experience Blues Heron May 2024 #134
Couple more - comfortable pronounced come-fer-ta-bull Blues Heron May 2024 #129
Lots of people don't like the fact that language is fluid. But, it is. mucifer May 2024 #136
You'd love it here in Texas!!!!!!!! Seriously, though, this is one mechanism for language to evolve, you don't ... marble falls May 2024 #137
Lately, I've been noticing that a lot contributors on NPR tom_kelly May 2024 #139
i will continue to use the t wrd as i see fit , i cant even stand the use of his name. and there we are . AllaN01Bear May 2024 #140
Sounds about perfec_. jaxexpat May 2024 #141
Why about those who think a zero is an "oh"? GreenWave May 2024 #143
Take it up with James Bond n/t Emrys May 2024 #144
During a recent 5 day hospitalization, I was asked my birthdate... 3catwoman3 May 2024 #145

RandomNumbers

(19,149 posts)
1. I have no idea what you are talking about?
Sun May 26, 2024, 11:51 AM
May 2024

I guess I'm missing some imporunt stuff by staying mostly away from social media these days?

Or is there some other important context to this that whizzed by me?

viva la

(4,590 posts)
39. Younger people mostly.
Sun May 26, 2024, 07:13 PM
May 2024

I teach college students (stu-ens, as they would say), and I have to hold myself back from correcting the ones who skip the middle consonants.
But we all have our speech idiosyncrasies, I know.

 

claudette

(5,455 posts)
78. Me, neither - not all of it
Sun May 26, 2024, 09:16 PM
May 2024

Except I think the letter "t" is pronounced twice in the word "important." If it's pronounced correctly.

Fla Dem

(27,615 posts)
3. I don't even know how you would say it....
Sun May 26, 2024, 12:04 PM
May 2024

Impor ant

Or

Impo rant

To be honest, I've never heard either variation used.

LudwigPastorius

(14,682 posts)
4. "...enough of the only one "t" sound in the word important...evidence proving that the species is ever accelerating
Sun May 26, 2024, 12:05 PM
May 2024

in its...well-deserved extinction."


That escalated rather quickly.

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
7. Get back with me when you're sure it's really nothing after all.
Sun May 26, 2024, 02:02 PM
May 2024

That's what I need to hear.

LudwigPastorius

(14,682 posts)
10. I'm just afraid to ask you...
Sun May 26, 2024, 02:10 PM
May 2024

what you think people who don't pronounce the first "r" in February deserve to get.

ProfessorGAC

(76,635 posts)
21. Depends
Sun May 26, 2024, 05:47 PM
May 2024
Just chiming in for levity's sake.
If it's a kid at a school where I'm subbing, I correct them.
If it's an adult they deserve to be ignored!

viva la

(4,590 posts)
41. I'm afraid I'll have to look that up in the libary.
Sun May 26, 2024, 07:22 PM
May 2024

It is interesting how most of us drop that R in FeBEWary.

I remember from linguistics class that letter combos that are hard to pronounce quickly often evolve. So "IN" before "P" becomes "IMP"== impending, impressing. And the T before CH is seldom emphasized, so "witch" sounds like "which".
For that matter, we're supposed to have an extra whoosh of breath when we speak "wh".
But... most of us don't bother.

(BTW, why do the Brits say the letter H as "Haich", but then often don't pronounce it-- "Hugh" is 'You"-?)

muriel_volestrangler

(106,157 posts)
50. You're listening to a cliched 1940s Cockney if you're hearing "haitch" and "you"
Sun May 26, 2024, 08:03 PM
May 2024

It's been a joke for decades.

The 't' of 'tch' is never emphasised, though, in British English. In what accent is it?

Well done for mentioning the "hw" pronunciation of "wh", which ought to make a difference between "whales" and "Wales", "where" and "wear", "what" and "watt", and so on.

viva la

(4,590 posts)
54. I remember the linguistics prof making us all pronounce:
Sun May 26, 2024, 08:12 PM
May 2024

Mary
Marry
Merry


We midwestern students all pronounced them identically. Seriously, none of us knew they're supposed to sound different!

muriel_volestrangler

(106,157 posts)
60. Ah yes, I've heard that one before
Sun May 26, 2024, 08:21 PM
May 2024

A normal British accent says them all differently; but the ultra-upper-class, Royal accent says them with a short 'e' - "marry merry Mary" becomes "merry merry Merry".

Foolacious

(540 posts)
69. They're not "supposed" to sound different.
Sun May 26, 2024, 08:36 PM
May 2024

They sound different in some dialects, not in others.

HAB911

(10,438 posts)
5. I think it is something akin to valley talk
Sun May 26, 2024, 12:06 PM
May 2024

American English is malleable to the extreme. My pet peeve?

I mean, when did every spoken sentence begin with, "I mean......"?

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
8. Like, you know, uh, duh. C'mon man. That's so far out it gags me with a spoon. Cool?
Sun May 26, 2024, 02:07 PM
May 2024

But what about the silent t's? There's no way that's anything but somnolent cult shit. What's next, splitting the ends of the tongue for that "true lisp" experience?

dhol82

(9,649 posts)
61. It's very common in Brooklyn and Bronx
Sun May 26, 2024, 08:23 PM
May 2024

Probably even in Queens but I would-t know fa shu.

Marthe48

(23,135 posts)
34. I'd rather hear I mean, than so
Sun May 26, 2024, 06:49 PM
May 2024

I don't drop into every conversation, even if so at the beginning of a sentence gives that intimation. And on written posts, when someone deliverately adds the unnecessary so, I get het up

Diamond_Dog

(40,501 posts)
109. I'm with you on the "So", Marthe.
Mon May 27, 2024, 08:50 AM
May 2024

I’m a regular Jeopardy watcher. In the contestant interview segment, host Ken Jennings will lead a contestant to tell a story about themselves, and 90% of the time, the contestant begins his or her anecdote with “So…”. I know in the grand scheme of things hearing SO much SO is a trivial matter, but it does annoy me. It seems to be a “thing” now.

viva la

(4,590 posts)
53. I've noticed that too! It's a younger person thing, I think.
Sun May 26, 2024, 08:10 PM
May 2024

"I mean" should logically come AFTER something you need to translate or explain.


I have to admit, however, that I very often start a sentence with "So..."

"So where are you going on vacation?"

"So I never did get all my grading one."

"So" is supposed to show some causal relationship--

"So that's why I never married."
But I use it almost like "Well...."

Qutzupalotl

(15,811 posts)
6. I di-un notice.
Sun May 26, 2024, 12:09 PM
May 2024

In seriousness, I first heard the speech pattern you're referring to in the inexplicably popular phrase, “Oh no, you di-un.” I share your view that they both sound stupid.

GenThePerservering

(3,329 posts)
13. I recall a whole NPR piece
Sun May 26, 2024, 04:35 PM
May 2024

which went on about politicians dropping the 'g' at the end of (generally) gerunds.

The writer drove into the ground something people have been doing for hundreds of years and assigned it some dire social meaning. I don't think they predicted the extinction of our species, though - those are big words for small things.

gulliver

(13,952 posts)
14. In Texas, it's very impordant to support the awl industry
Sun May 26, 2024, 04:39 PM
May 2024

I kid the Texans. I have family there.

SARose

(1,831 posts)
107. It's the awl bidness
Mon May 27, 2024, 07:33 AM
May 2024

Please don’t tell my Mama I work in da awl bidness - she thinks I’m a piano player in a whorehouse. 😉

Ms. Toad

(38,594 posts)
15. It's been happening for years.
Sun May 26, 2024, 04:42 PM
May 2024

I haven't figured out if it is a local dialect (like "needs fixed" rather than needs to be fixed."

But it certainly isn't an affectation - it is how most of the people they hear speak sound - they swallow the initial t. The pause for it is still there - it is just that the sound vanished.

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
16. Its more an intentional disruption of normalcy than an affectation. It is political.
Sun May 26, 2024, 05:34 PM
May 2024

You'll know when they've robbed you of your digni-y. Replacing it with a "help wan-ed" sign.

Ms. Toad

(38,594 posts)
25. All I can tell you is that it has happenned around here for years - at least a decade.
Sun May 26, 2024, 06:12 PM
May 2024

I hear it in every walk of life, In both Democrats and Republicans (If I had to put a prevalence, I hear it more from Democrats than Republicans). I first noticed it repeatedly from NPR personnel.

In the same way that people in Western Pennsylvania and NE Ohio omit "to be" between needs and a future perfect tense verb.

Nothing political at all about it.

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
100. Only in the broadest terms. in a village astride a stream there were the Wests and the Easts.
Mon May 27, 2024, 06:34 AM
May 2024

They shared and had commonality in all things but sunrise and sunset over the stream. And that insignificant difference was the factor needed to differentiate, recognize and nominate, that difference. In the mid-summer, when the stream ran dry it took a conscious effort to remember who-was-who. Thus, the gathering of those who were already identical, the essence of politics.

obamanut2012

(29,351 posts)
125. I am in my 50s, and I drop the middle T most times
Tue May 28, 2024, 08:09 AM
May 2024

Important, dentist, and also some other Ts, like in Sacramento. Many Sac nattives slur the T btw.

For me, it is a learned regional thing from where I grew up. Not unusual.

Diamond_Dog

(40,501 posts)
110. I hear local TV newscasters say things like "needs fixed" instead of "needs to be fixed."
Mon May 27, 2024, 08:53 AM
May 2024

John1956PA

(4,951 posts)
138. That idiom is popular here in Western Pennsylvania.
Tue May 28, 2024, 09:08 AM
May 2024

Recently, I was surprised to find someone in North Carolina using it.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
85. The pronunciation of Clinton as Clin'on was driving me buggy. Then I decided that's all it was, as I realized there were
Sun May 26, 2024, 10:10 PM
May 2024

….lots of other examples. I just don’t know enough about regional American accents East of the California border to say if this has always been part of, say, Appalachia or what, and maybe spreading through television programs.

Hawai’ian has a lot of glottal stops and macrons, tho they weren’t being written out when I was a kid on O’ahu. But my Mom always taught us standard English and insisted on the pronunciation in Webster’s. Clin-ton. Whhhale.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
120. Had a funny experience in a grad seminar with an English prof. I said "whale" with the H...
Mon May 27, 2024, 03:40 PM
May 2024

He said I “sounded like a schoolmarm” — suddenly I laughed and said “I come from five generations of schoolmarms! “ It was a great line, I guess, because people were startled. One of my great-greats taught in a sod hut in Nebraska.

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,922 posts)
18. lol jesus
Sun May 26, 2024, 05:42 PM
May 2024

I suppose some folks were mad when we stopped pronouncing the k in knight and know back in the 1700s.

"All right" is generally written as two words, by the way, although common practice has been trying to make "alright" happen for decades. Language is a blast.

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
24. Colloquial culture, even dialectical differences, okay.
Sun May 26, 2024, 06:08 PM
May 2024

But this has the ring of social media experimenting with items beyond its ability to appreciate. For lucre! Experimental consumer based analysis of influences on the credit card laden American teenager gone amok. Why the "t's"? It's just too arbitrary to be organic.

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,922 posts)
26. "Too arbitrary to be organic." Yeah welcome to linguistics. Organic is arbitrary.
Sun May 26, 2024, 06:29 PM
May 2024

Do you have any evidence of this "experimentation" or "consumer based analysis," other than the fact that it really bugs you?

Rebl2

(17,702 posts)
73. I dunno
Sun May 26, 2024, 08:52 PM
May 2024

I do not have a clue as to why they are dropping the “t”. There are people I can barely understand who live in the south. Sorry southerners if I just insulted you. Know this, my mother was from Arkansas and as a youngster, I sometimes did not understand the family when we visited. My mother lost her southern drawl after she moved away.

John1956PA

(4,951 posts)
142. Thanks for the "dunno." That made me smile.
Tue May 28, 2024, 09:20 AM
May 2024

Years ago, in a DU thread, a poster replied "Thanks. I must of got lost somewhere down the line." when the OP was about the improper substitution of the word "of" for the word "have."

As an aside, I am a fan of the J. Geils Band which is from New England.

obamanut2012

(29,351 posts)
128. I am in my 50s, I do that, everyone i know does
Tue May 28, 2024, 08:15 AM
May 2024

It isn't some experiment lol

Good grief.

obamanut2012

(29,351 posts)
127. I am in my 50s and do not say that middle T
Tue May 28, 2024, 08:13 AM
May 2024

In any word. It is a regional dialect. I do not get the OP.

Torchlight

(6,792 posts)
19. As bad if not worse than the mispronunciation of 'pecan'
Sun May 26, 2024, 05:44 PM
May 2024

That conscious and willful malignancy wrought upon this nation, this people, and this land by barbarians, the uncouth, the debased, and the wicked; in short, anyone who doesn't speak as I do.

 

SarahD

(1,732 posts)
52. I'm not getting involvedmin that one.
Sun May 26, 2024, 08:10 PM
May 2024

I pronounce it pee-KAHN but there is no way I will.say PEE-can or peh-CAN or anything else is wrong. It's a regional thing. I just bake the little buggers into pies and collect the compliments.

Torchlight

(6,792 posts)
72. I don't blame you. I avoided my own pronunciation on purpose
Sun May 26, 2024, 08:44 PM
May 2024

Said about four different ways in my neck of the TX woods, and I figure they're all about right 'cause we all now what it means. But we still sit around the table and laugh at the way we each say it.

betsuni

(29,048 posts)
23. I watch "The View." Whoopi pronounces "yesterday" as "yestaday," Sarah's "always" has no L, Sunny
Sun May 26, 2024, 06:08 PM
May 2024

gets in a mood and has the weird affectation of pronouncing "s" as "sh" -- "similar" becomes "shimilar" and so on, and Alyssa constantly waves her arms around and points with her little fingers.

I'm annoyed and then get annoyed with myself for being annoyed.

Raven123

(7,787 posts)
27. Well then you must be apoplectic over the mispronunciation of nuclear
Sun May 26, 2024, 06:29 PM
May 2024

How many times did we hear President George W. Bush say “nucular?”

dpibel

(3,916 posts)
49. As much as I despised the Shrub
Sun May 26, 2024, 07:49 PM
May 2024

and as much as the pronunciation gives me the willies, I could never get too accusatory when Bush did it, because Jimmy Carter also said "nucular." And he was trained as a nucular engineer.

Alpeduez21

(2,046 posts)
36. awwww, well bless your heart being so open with your opinion
Sun May 26, 2024, 07:05 PM
May 2024

You must think you don’t have an accent. You do have one and I’m sure some effete highbrow is as irritated by yours as you are of mine.

vanlassie

(6,245 posts)
46. The dropped T is NOT an accent.
Sun May 26, 2024, 07:29 PM
May 2024

It started with rappers. It was cool. It spread through a 20-30 year old age group. I witnessed it with horror.

Alpeduez21

(2,046 posts)
89. A whole region (the south) has a mispronunciation? That's not the result of an accent?
Sun May 26, 2024, 11:53 PM
May 2024

What is it then? I am gen-u-whinely confused. Does New England mispronounce park?

Skittles

(171,603 posts)
121. I said SOME, not every here mispronounces
Mon May 27, 2024, 05:04 PM
May 2024

yes, I live in TEXAS

I'll put it this way - if I say pe-CAN and you say PE-can, that's accent - if either one of us says pe-DAN or PE-dan, that is not pronouncing the word correctly

DONE HERE

niyad

(132,221 posts)
29. Every time I hear someone say that singular "t", I am reminded of a very old
Sun May 26, 2024, 06:32 PM
May 2024

joke: a guy is going to have a vasectomy, and he arrives at the clinic wearing a tuxedo. The doctor, quite puzzled, asks him why he is wearing a tuxedo to have a vasectomy. The guy replies, "If I am going to be im po tent, I am going to look im po tant."

happybird

(5,391 posts)
31. Yes!
Sun May 26, 2024, 06:41 PM
May 2024

The first time I noticed it was several years ago on a PBS commercial. It was a mother talking about how excited and surprised she was to see an autistic kid character on the cartoon Arthur, and how important it was for her autistic son to see a character like him. Near the end she reiterated, “It’s so impoor-ent, so impoor-ent.” With strange emphasis on the -ent.

That pronunciation drove me bonkers! And that commercial played allll the time. Figured it was maybe a regional thing and they didn’t hail from my area? But now I’m starting to hear it everywhere. Arg!

(She’s right- Arthur is a great show!)

Edit: My bad, it was Aspergers, not autism. Trying to find the commercial on YouTube but no luck yet.

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
32. English has some silent consonants...
Sun May 26, 2024, 06:42 PM
May 2024

What REALLY bugs me is when people add sounds when they don't exist. I physically gringe when someone says "hithe" when the word they they meant to use is "height".

Xavier Breath

(6,639 posts)
35. Many of my family members like to add an S where none exists.
Sun May 26, 2024, 07:01 PM
May 2024
I'm going to run over to Meijers and see if they have it. If not, I'll head over to Krogers.

Maybe it's just a grocery store thing

LeftInTX

(34,211 posts)
45. Same with my in laws. So, annoying...New Braunfels became News Braunsfels
Sun May 26, 2024, 07:29 PM
May 2024

I'm going to Walmarts...

Blues Heron

(8,793 posts)
62. That one has a long history and is regional
Sun May 26, 2024, 08:24 PM
May 2024

I looked up the history of it a few years ago when a luthier referred to the heighth of the strings.

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
66. I always thought...
Sun May 26, 2024, 08:35 PM
May 2024

...it had something to do with people using "heighth" in conjunction with "width".

Alpeduez21

(2,046 posts)
37. I have often benefitted greatly by hearing what people say
Sun May 26, 2024, 07:08 PM
May 2024

rather than assuming the worst of them by how they say it

viva la

(4,590 posts)
38. I've been noticing that too.
Sun May 26, 2024, 07:11 PM
May 2024

It's fairly common for British speakers to slide over middle consonants. But I'm hearing it a lot more here now, among young people. "Dint" instead of "Didn't" and "cou-ent" for "couldn't."

People have different accents and speech habits, but this is one that seems unhooked to region or accent or class. For some reason, I get annoyed by it more than other pronunciation issues. It's like that "vocal fry".

bigtree

(94,198 posts)
40. if you can understand what they're saying
Sun May 26, 2024, 07:13 PM
May 2024

...I really can't see the problem.

Language is fungible.

0rganism

(25,627 posts)
42. Everyone's entitled to a linguistic pet peeve or three, and I understand that it's important to you.
Sun May 26, 2024, 07:27 PM
May 2024

My personal gripe triggers when people say "begs the question" when they really mean "raises the question", practically the opposite of what they just said. It's not just personal talk or social media, some of my favorite shows include this mistake and it pisses me off for about 5 seconds every time.

Anyway, I recommend a proportional response that avoids unnecessary catastrophizing. Language abuse is pretty common, and frankly English harbors enough resilient irregularity to get abused repeatedly while remaining quite popular.

Aristus

(72,128 posts)
47. A lot of people in the South pronounce it "impordant".
Sun May 26, 2024, 07:38 PM
May 2024

Mrs. Aristus, living her entire life in the Pacific Northwest, says "impor-tint".

yorkster

(3,814 posts)
83. Or "genelmen" or the ad where the woman
Sun May 26, 2024, 09:47 PM
May 2024

says "anacid after anacid". I've been hearing this for "twenny" years.

Scrivener7

(59,448 posts)
55. You pronounce the first T? Are you trying to sound British?
Sun May 26, 2024, 08:12 PM
May 2024

Most Americans don't pronounce it. Just like we don't pronounce it in "lightning."

Blues Heron

(8,793 posts)
59. There is an ad for Kuhl clothes where the voiceover has a fairly extreme case of what you are noticing
Sun May 26, 2024, 08:20 PM
May 2024

Puh’ (for “put) and M’ow-in (for mountain)

definitely a trend, maybe impor’id from Scotland?

mahina

(20,634 posts)
64. It bugs me when empty G says 'impordent"
Sun May 26, 2024, 08:31 PM
May 2024

She sounds like an illiterate goon, which she is.

Bettie

(19,664 posts)
71. At high school choir concert earlier this year...
Sun May 26, 2024, 08:40 PM
May 2024

"Purple Mountain Majesties" instead of "Purple mountains' majesty" .....high school.

ETA:: Also, the (the kids in school) say important that way all the time.

Easterncedar

(6,208 posts)
77. Dropping the first R in infrastructure...
Sun May 26, 2024, 09:07 PM
May 2024

Gah. And the first N in environment. Everyone does it. I need to develop selective hearing. I’m getting crankier all the time.

And don’t get me started on the glottal stop in place of the Ts in mittens and mountains.

Happy Hoosier

(9,530 posts)
79. That kind of dropped T is a super common feature
Sun May 26, 2024, 09:18 PM
May 2024

… of English dialects.

It’s quite common in British dialects.

Language evolves. We don’t speak now the way we did 100 years ago.

obamanut2012

(29,351 posts)
130. An American, in my 50s, I drop that middle T
Tue May 28, 2024, 08:19 AM
May 2024

Most people I know do. All educated people. It is regional dialects, etc.

The OP is perplexing

 

claudette

(5,455 posts)
80. Worse than that is
Sun May 26, 2024, 09:22 PM
May 2024

when "mass" and "quantity" are not spoken of correctly. Drives me nuts!

For example, the ad for siggi yogurt on TV - they say "LESS calories"- it should be FEWER calories (quantity) not less. They say "less" sugar (mass) which is correct, but make my blood run cold with the "less calories" mistake!!! It's a GRAMMAR school English lesson.

 

SarahD

(1,732 posts)
82. Little Miss Persnickity Language Person here.
Sun May 26, 2024, 09:44 PM
May 2024

I.know, right? I used to correct people who blundered off the true path of less vs. fewer. But I was losing friends too quickly, so I blew it off. I get along better with people, but there is a little part of me, deep down inside, crying to be let out and go all OCD on grammar and usage offenders.

 

claudette

(5,455 posts)
95. I keep wondering
Mon May 27, 2024, 05:40 AM
May 2024

if that is Even still taught in schools!! Other languages know the difference!!😊

intrepidity

(8,581 posts)
81. I gave up awhile ago
Sun May 26, 2024, 09:42 PM
May 2024

after "nuclear" was repeatedly mangled by people who should've known better, and reading Merriam Webster defend alternate pronunciations of words as a valid evolution of language. So now I just try to not care.

Iggo

(49,912 posts)
86. Do you hate it a little or a lot?
Sun May 26, 2024, 10:39 PM
May 2024

That question works way better in a live setting…lol.

And, just so you know I do have a dog in this fight, I pronounce it:

impor’nt….that’s three syllables with a glottal stop where the apostrophe is and no vowel sound for the 3rd syllable, just ‘nt.

BlueSpot

(1,299 posts)
91. Might it be a result of texting?
Mon May 27, 2024, 01:30 AM
May 2024

That was my thought. Leave out a letter here and there to make it easier. People can figure out words from fragments. I'm making this up as I go along but why couldn't a texting thing turn into a spoken language thing? Language evolves. Technology evolves even faster.

What dost thee think?

flamingdem

(40,879 posts)
92. I'm confused. As a oldster I never pronounce the second T
Mon May 27, 2024, 02:39 AM
May 2024

Is that a regional thing? New Yawkers dropped the extra T I believe.

I think it sounds so forced and so ... youth fad ish .. to say impor"T"ant.

My theory was that this extra emphasis was due to speakers of Spanish influencing youth.

Have I been sounding like an idiot all along.....????

 

Silent3

(15,909 posts)
93. Are you talking about absolutely no "t" sound at all...
Mon May 27, 2024, 03:03 AM
May 2024

...or "stop t", as described in this video someone else poster in this thread already?



Do you prefer/expect two fully-pronounced "t" sounds, which is and has been uncommon for decades?
 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
97. Excellent point and no. There is no "t" sound to start the "tant" in "important" in my experience.
Mon May 27, 2024, 05:56 AM
May 2024

But there is a subtle pause which seems to hang over and through the "an", making way for a resounding "t" at the end. I've heard some languages make "important" into a 4 syllable word, adding an additional e at the end, pronounced "ahntay". So, no, my gripe is not with common and traditional usage.

I only speak English and as poorly as most, I'm sure, but this abomination smacks of intentional disregard, if not an all-out assault on a language based on an attempt to disrupt the societal norm. A sabotage, if you will. Entertaining in that light but when it begins to be spoken in confident tones by otherwise educated and presumably erudite people it has gone too far. Are they deaf to my disgust? At my patience's end, I must and hereby declare in the company of fellows, I am one among the host who says "TEE", we embody those who proudly say "TEE".

We are the knights who say Tee.........., of course, who wouldn' have seen that coming?

malaise

(295,806 posts)
112. I used to think this was. Miami problem
Mon May 27, 2024, 09:06 AM
May 2024

I corrected my two Florida nephews over and over

ColinC

(11,098 posts)
113. It could be worse than skipping a consonant
Mon May 27, 2024, 09:42 AM
May 2024

We could be living in an era where two of the most politically influential people in the country are the hosts of The Apprentice and Fear Factor.

Thank god that hasn’t happened!

MineralMan

(151,198 posts)
114. Do you pronounce the "t" in "often?"
Mon May 27, 2024, 10:19 AM
May 2024

People are lazy about speech. It's a bit difficult to get the "t" in there after the "r" in "important." It requires some movement of the tongue. So, people drop the "t" or use some other vocal stop to indicate it. There are lots of words like that. Some people make the effort, but many others do not.

I do pronounce the "t" in "often," at least most of the time. I don't hear it often, though, from others. My wife, for example, is slightly bothered by my pronunciation of that word.

In the end, it doesn't matter much. I'm far more annoyed by the non-rhotic speech of the British. Of course, it is their language, but "received pronunciation" just annoys me. I don't make a thing of it, though. It really doesn't matter.

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
116. Depends, that "t" is usually expressed as a subtle* pause not followed by the tongue tapping "tuh" sound, similarly...
Mon May 27, 2024, 01:05 PM
May 2024

to the first "t" in important.

Perhaps, as a matter of stress on the importance of the word, the first "t" might receive a full blown "tuh" sound, im-por-Tant. "It is important to steer the car away from oncoming traffic.", or, "We interrupt this program for an important message from NOAA about a tornado in your front yard." I would have a very difficult time lending credibility to any full-grown person saying imporunt when advising about imminent public danger.

*"subtle" is, clearly, a word that deserves mockery. It's, obviously, the result of a misprint which the original printer was too ashamed/narcissistic to correct. At this point, "subtle" would be over-the-moon to be pronounced "sub-ul" or even "su-ul" (the latter of which is fast on the way).

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
122. Of course you don't. but............Would you, though, if all the cool kids in the gang were doing it?
Tue May 28, 2024, 04:19 AM
May 2024

obamanut2012

(29,351 posts)
132. You have been releatedly told this isn't a socisl media Zoomer thing
Tue May 28, 2024, 08:24 AM
May 2024

Most of us do it. Educated, older Americans do not say those Ts.

No different rhan not saying the B in subtle.


 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
135. So, then, what? I was repeatedly told we were protecting America with our war in Vietnam,
Tue May 28, 2024, 08:48 AM
May 2024

from educated and older Americans, no less. The consensus-trap of accepting/adapting deleterious things hasn't changed much since. You haven't been paying enough attention to get what I'm talking about. A, not so kindly, reminder of how others think is not likely to tune my radar. Nor should it anyone else's.

LeftInTX

(34,211 posts)
117. No. I even spelled it: "offen" the first time I wrote it. (I usually got 100's in spelling)
Mon May 27, 2024, 01:17 PM
May 2024

I was shocked to see it spelled, "often". It was my first experience with a "silent" letter. It may have been the first word that I mispelled. I even remember asking my mom about it. I must have been in first grade.


yorkster

(3,814 posts)
115. How about T as D. "Liddle" for little.
Mon May 27, 2024, 10:49 AM
May 2024

I call it the Anderson Cooper effect, as he does it quite often and I hear it consistently all over the airwaves, so to speak.
Along those lines, my father upon seeing someone on the telly who was jowly or had a sagging neck, would start to softly sing
"What"ll I do, when you are far away", etc.
Of course he would intentionally pronounce what"ll as wattle. Subtle but clear, and amusing.


Emrys

(9,097 posts)
124. Such matters of accent don't bother me
Tue May 28, 2024, 07:40 AM
May 2024

The English language has always changed, as they all do, and elision of consonants that makes a word easier for some to pronounce is commonplace.

What used to bother me was Bush Jr's pronunciation on atomic matters: nukular rather than nuclear.

For years, I couldn't figure out why on earth he did that. Then I realized he was seeing the word differently to me: nucle-ar rather than nu-clear.

That wasn't the worst thing he did.

obamanut2012

(29,351 posts)
126. I am in my 50s and do this and always have
Tue May 28, 2024, 08:12 AM
May 2024

The middle Ts in dentist and important are slurred, no final T in Sacramento (whicj is also how many Sac natives say it, too).

Not a Zoomer thing, it is a regional dialect thing. Not a big deal, not some teen rebellion.

To me, saying DENTisT or IMPORTanT sounds odd.

Blues Heron

(8,793 posts)
134. whoever is doing it - its mostly a hipster youtube thing in my experience
Tue May 28, 2024, 08:29 AM
May 2024

I think its probably inspired by English and Scottish modes of speaking, feels like an international affectation sometimes. Watch for the Kuhl ad on youtube - thats a good example of the NT-dropping and also a plain T dropping (Mountain and Put)

Blues Heron

(8,793 posts)
129. Couple more - comfortable pronounced come-fer-ta-bull
Tue May 28, 2024, 08:19 AM
May 2024

instead of comf-ter-bull

and the millennial-era singer`s R - which sounds slightly speech-impedimenty. Prob. inspired by Jeff Buckley? Its a hard one to emulate, sort of like a W with a little warble. (along with lengthening vowels so words like Bed sound like Bayed)

marble falls

(71,869 posts)
137. You'd love it here in Texas!!!!!!!! Seriously, though, this is one mechanism for language to evolve, you don't ...
Tue May 28, 2024, 08:57 AM
May 2024

... want to put Linguists out of business, do you? I actually miss the regional twists in English. You'd have been even more outraged just 50 years ago. Y'all have good day, y'hear.

tom_kelly

(1,051 posts)
139. Lately, I've been noticing that a lot contributors on NPR
Tue May 28, 2024, 09:11 AM
May 2024

are talking in a slow, valley-girl tone, and are also ending sentences with that scratchy voice. It seems to be younger women. It shouldn't bother me but I feel that someone with such an audience should be more aware of how they're speaking. It doesn't sound good to this old guy

AllaN01Bear

(29,418 posts)
140. i will continue to use the t wrd as i see fit , i cant even stand the use of his name. and there we are .
Tue May 28, 2024, 09:17 AM
May 2024

GreenWave

(12,626 posts)
143. Why about those who think a zero is an "oh"?
Tue May 28, 2024, 10:37 AM
May 2024

There are going to get somebody killed someday!

3catwoman3

(29,346 posts)
145. During a recent 5 day hospitalization, I was asked my birthdate...
Tue May 28, 2024, 07:28 PM
May 2024

...by every person who came into my room. It happened so often that by the second day, if someone even appeared in the doorway, I'd immediately say, "Oh four, two four, XXXX." It was quicker than "zero."

With my street address, however, I always say, "Two zero XX."

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