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CanonRay

(16,171 posts)
Mon May 27, 2024, 08:43 PM May 2024

If tfg is elected, I believe there will be a World War within a year. Talk me down.

Putin will make a play against NATO, knowing tfg won't lift a finger to stop it. Then China will finally see an opening to attack Taiwan. The US military will be effectively leader-less. It will all be non-nuclear. Anyone see this being unrealistic? If so, why.

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If tfg is elected, I believe there will be a World War within a year. Talk me down. (Original Post) CanonRay May 2024 OP
Not only do I feel you I fear it *will* be nuclear.... AuntyGravity May 2024 #1
OMG.... FarPoint May 2024 #3
Thank you...but I wouldn't take so seriously except AuntyGravity May 2024 #11
Ahhhh Okay FarPoint May 2024 #12
Did you seriously just pat me on the head and AuntyGravity May 2024 #25
It's just not going to happen... FarPoint May 2024 #2
I think Biden will win as well. CanonRay May 2024 #6
World war internatonally, or Whirled war domestically? bucolic_frolic May 2024 #4
Who says trump didn't already give the go ahead when he was President? pwb May 2024 #5
Focus on making sure it doesn't happen. LiberalFighter May 2024 #7
I thought trump would drop a nuke mucifer May 2024 #8
I speculated on that issue in another post, Dan May 2024 #9
I was in a pub in Kent in fall 2016 CanonRay May 2024 #16
I don't see it happening. Irish_Dem May 2024 #10
+1. He'll let Putin and Xi rule the world. dalton99a May 2024 #13
Yes. Irish_Dem May 2024 #14
That's what I think. Patterson May 2024 #17
Russia actually does not have a powerful army at all bottomofthehill May 2024 #30
No, Russia still is a powerful military force. Irish_Dem May 2024 #32
China is also a powerful military. And it will take Taiwan. Irish_Dem May 2024 #33
Trump may nuke Mexico AuntyGravity May 2024 #15
Yes everything and everyone except our real enemies. Irish_Dem May 2024 #18
I wonder where Cancun Cruz would go for his winter get-aways were that to happen? ProudMNDemocrat May 2024 #19
@CanonRay: I believe your theory more likely than not B.See May 2024 #20
Is it a world war if the US isn't involved? Fiendish Thingy May 2024 #21
That is how I see it going ... SomewhereInTheMiddle May 2024 #31
The GOP is too incompetent GenThePerservering May 2024 #22
What are you doing to prepare for it? Kaleva May 2024 #23
That he is elected this country is done Tribetime May 2024 #24
LOL, RELAX!! Pres. Biden's got this... slam drunk!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2024 #26
I'd like to believe that the Generals have a fail safe system for TSF. maveric May 2024 #27
So, what if war is just around the corner? Aussie105 May 2024 #28
I have long thought WWIII would come about because of Israel / Palestine Skittles May 2024 #29

FarPoint

(14,765 posts)
3. OMG....
Mon May 27, 2024, 08:50 PM
May 2024

Take a deep breathe.... you are letting the media and Russian/China misinformation trolls take over your critical thinking skills. This is exactly how they want Americans to respond, feel and be in a sense of terror.

AuntyGravity

(289 posts)
11. Thank you...but I wouldn't take so seriously except
Mon May 27, 2024, 09:07 PM
May 2024

I'll never forget that day in a November not so long ago when I drove up to the Wendy's drive-up window in Hilo and the young lady asked me what I thought about the newly elected tangerine tweaker and I said "You Have Got To Be Fucking Kidding Me" and cried all the way home. And I still haven't gotten over it. And I struggle with this particular reality. There just seems something so existentially wrong about it that acknowledging it gives it a power it doesn't deserve.

FarPoint

(14,765 posts)
2. It's just not going to happen...
Mon May 27, 2024, 08:47 PM
May 2024

The sky is not falling either... Please try and not let fear rule....don't give it the power....

Biden will win re-election in November...Democrats will also control the House and Senate....

CanonRay

(16,171 posts)
6. I think Biden will win as well.
Mon May 27, 2024, 08:52 PM
May 2024

the has Zero new voters, he's alienated 20% of his own party. But it seems to me Russia and China are getting in position in case.

bucolic_frolic

(55,136 posts)
4. World war internatonally, or Whirled war domestically?
Mon May 27, 2024, 08:51 PM
May 2024

The roiling and collapse of all existing political and legal relationships. Total chaos, so they can steal everything. Nothing would be safe, and banks would be seized.

pwb

(12,663 posts)
5. Who says trump didn't already give the go ahead when he was President?
Mon May 27, 2024, 08:52 PM
May 2024

For a hotel in your country? Go ahead Comrade Putin, Brother Netanyahu have your wars. Hang in there soon we will beat him again and he will stay down this time.

mucifer

(25,667 posts)
8. I thought trump would drop a nuke
Mon May 27, 2024, 08:53 PM
May 2024

when he was President. he didn’t. But he might this time.

Dan

(5,179 posts)
9. I speculated on that issue in another post,
Mon May 27, 2024, 09:03 PM
May 2024

But I do believe that I qualified it based on how the American population responds to (how) a Trump second term.

I would have provided a link, but not sure how.

Domestic politics will determine how quickly Trump is able to cower the American population and we will determine our response. If we maintain control of the Senate and take over the House, then we can maintain some pushback to the craziness. But Trump will have the power of the presidency and we now realize that the Supreme Court is corrupt, so that’s a problem.

I do believe that Trump is a Russian asset and will turn on NATO and based on Putin’s desire, it may precipitate a regional war thus could quickly escalate. Trump might choose not to support our allies(NATO) which could then force another impeachment. But, as to how whether the Senate would have enough votes to remove him from office - that is the question. One could assume that the GOP will be pro-Putin as they have demonstrated that they will kiss the ass of anyone. Sadly, I would not put it past Trump and the GOP to make America a satellite of Russia.

But I think/hope that Biden will win, but I also thought that Hillary would win, so who can predict the Voters of this nation and their thirst for pain.

CanonRay

(16,171 posts)
16. I was in a pub in Kent in fall 2016
Mon May 27, 2024, 09:49 PM
May 2024

and locals were asking me if tfg could win. My answer was basically no f'ing way. Uh huh.

Irish_Dem

(81,262 posts)
10. I don't see it happening.
Mon May 27, 2024, 09:05 PM
May 2024

Who is going to be fighting whom?

Trump is aligning with the world autocrats, not fighting with them.

Trump will give Putin and Xi what they want. For the right price.

Russia and China have very powerful armies.

NATO, Europe, Japan, South Korea, Philippines cannot wage a large scale war against
China and Russia without US assistance. They have been relying on the US for military help
and do not have the capability to fight alone.

So I don't see your scenario happening soon under Trump.


Irish_Dem

(81,262 posts)
14. Yes.
Mon May 27, 2024, 09:18 PM
May 2024

Trump will think he is part of the global autocratic bloc.
And let Xi and Putin call the shots.
They will just laugh at Trump behind his back.

bottomofthehill

(9,390 posts)
30. Russia actually does not have a powerful army at all
Tue May 28, 2024, 04:31 AM
May 2024

They have bit off more than they can chew in Ukraine forget about taking on even an American less NATO. China is a bigger potential cause for concern, but China does not want a bombed out Taiwan, they want an economic powerhouse. The thought of doing what it will take to capture the island will make its value to China weak at best.

Irish_Dem

(81,262 posts)
32. No, Russia still is a powerful military force.
Tue May 28, 2024, 06:59 AM
May 2024

To think otherwise is not correct.

1. There is zero chance Ukraine can defeat Russia without considerable help from other countries.
And even then the long term outlook for Ukraine is not good. The only hope Ukraine has is to get
Russia to the bargaining table.

2. Because Russia is a serious military threat, NATO countries are now beefing up their military defense
systems. If Russia was not a powerful threat, they would not have to do this.

Irish_Dem

(81,262 posts)
33. China is also a powerful military. And it will take Taiwan.
Tue May 28, 2024, 07:16 AM
May 2024

It is important to understand the Chinese thought process.

They must take Taiwan for a number of reasons.

1. China's goal is to be a 21st century global superpower.
To achieve this goal they must first establish regional control.
This is why they are hell bent on getting control of the South China Sea.
And that includes Taiwan.

2. They cannot tolerate a US proxy like Taiwan so close to their shores.
It is a national security issue.

3. They must save face. They truly believe Taiwan belongs to them, and they
will get it back. Just like they did with Hong Kong.

4. They must demonstrate to the world that they are as powerful as the US.

5. There may be some economic motive to capture a lucrative economy. China has
fallen on hard times with a terrible domestic economy, they could use the revenue, but that is not
on the top of the list right now.

So now we see the motivation. Let's talk about how they will do it.

They have the same plan as Putin had with Ukraine. Three days to one week operation.
Go into the capital, in this case Taipei, knock out all communications, kill or capture all leadership,
capture the airports. Activate the carefully cultivated pro-China rebels in Taiwan, so get a civil
war going. This can happen very quickly before the US gets involved.

China is betting that it will not bungle the operation like Putin did. Which of course infuriated Xi.

I think it is certain that Xi would bomb Taiwan back to the stone ages if he had to do so.
Capturing Taiwan is highly symbolic and he will do it any way he can.
But yes of course he prefers to leave the financial resources intact.
So if he can go in and capture it quickly, he can kill the Taiwan leadership but
leave the infrastructure in place.

AuntyGravity

(289 posts)
15. Trump may nuke Mexico
Mon May 27, 2024, 09:20 PM
May 2024

Or Africa
Or Hurricanes
Or Windmills
Or Litter Boxes
Its not everyone else.....it's HIM

ProudMNDemocrat

(20,897 posts)
19. I wonder where Cancun Cruz would go for his winter get-aways were that to happen?
Mon May 27, 2024, 10:21 PM
May 2024


But seriously! Using nukes is not a good option.

B.See

(8,499 posts)
20. @CanonRay: I believe your theory more likely than not
Mon May 27, 2024, 11:16 PM
May 2024

should the criminal-in-chief slink back into the O.Office.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,229 posts)
21. Is it a world war if the US isn't involved?
Mon May 27, 2024, 11:38 PM
May 2024

Putin will take Ukraine and the Balkans, China will take Taiwan, and NATO will likely dissolve.

Oh, and Israel will retake Gaza and the West Bank.

And Trump will stand by and watch.

31. That is how I see it going ...
Tue May 28, 2024, 05:33 AM
May 2024

... if Trump is reelected. The US becomes much more isolationist, and the expansionist bloc takes advantage of that.

Japan has to rethink their pacifist constitution, but I don't see them going to war to protect Taiwan. And the EU has to ramp up their military posture without the US. They might even interfere with the Russian aggression in Eastern Europe, especially if they go beyond Ukraine.

I could see a world war without the US involved, but I don't think it likely in the next few years. The other once-allied nations are not ready to go on their own, I think. The bad guys would take advantage of that. Which would eventually cause the others to step up.

And America loses all reputation, allies, and eventually much of our trade as we become the world's pariah for betraying our treaties, obligations, agreements, and beliefs.

The rest of the world may survive, but the US's role as a world leader would wither and die.

I think I need to hug a puppy.

Kaleva

(40,365 posts)
23. What are you doing to prepare for it?
Tue May 28, 2024, 12:32 AM
May 2024

If you aren't doing anything more then posting your thoughts on social media, then you probably don't believe it will happen.

maveric

(17,044 posts)
27. I'd like to believe that the Generals have a fail safe system for TSF.
Tue May 28, 2024, 01:56 AM
May 2024

I believe that they had one during his term.

Aussie105

(7,920 posts)
28. So, what if war is just around the corner?
Tue May 28, 2024, 02:11 AM
May 2024

Then you, Mr and Mrs Average American in Pleasantville Kentucky, will be on equal footing with citizens in Ukraine and Palestine, waking up in the morning wondering if today is to be your last day on Earth.

Does that thought somehow make a difference to you?

Lots of Evil in the world, and most of it is aimed at weaker people.
The strong prey on the weak.

It's Human Nature, nothing personal.

Nobody can talk you down from your angst. But a doctor may be able to prescribe something for that.

You could always do something practical - build a Doomsday/Nuclear War shelter, or something. Might help.

Skittles

(171,709 posts)
29. I have long thought WWIII would come about because of Israel / Palestine
Tue May 28, 2024, 02:42 AM
May 2024

so, so sick of them

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