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deminks

(11,526 posts)
Tue May 28, 2024, 01:17 PM May 2024

Judge Marchan berates TFG lawyer for closing statement.




The jurors are excused for lunch.

Steinglass hops up once they're gone and requests a curative instruction regarding a comment Blanche made about "sending Trump to prison."

JUSTICE MERCHAN: I think that comment was outrageous, Mr. Blanche. You know as someone who has been a prosecutor that it's simply not allowed, period. It's hard to see how that was an accident.

I'm going to give the curative instruction.

End snip.

Blanche evidently told the jury that they should think twice before sending TFG to prison. You cannot mention possible sentences in closing. Judge will instruct jury to disregard. (Sounds like a bit of a threat to the jury to me, if that is what he said)
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Judge Marchan berates TFG lawyer for closing statement. (Original Post) deminks May 2024 OP
Oh no! Blanche got a stern talking to! That will teach him! RockRaven May 2024 #1
Remember this is a trump trial. republianmushroom May 2024 #3
What do you expect should be done? Elessar Zappa May 2024 #33
How about contempt by the attorney who absolutely knew better? Trust_Reality May 2024 #37
Sounds like a threat to me... SWBTATTReg May 2024 #2
Only taken out of context. Ms. Toad May 2024 #22
And I take it Blanche is pretending that there is NOT a massive boatload of evidence corroborating Cohen's testimony. ShazzieB May 2024 #29
Absolutely. Ms. Toad May 2024 #31
We have your names, we know a few Russians, so think twice... sop May 2024 #26
Absolutely a threat. Trust_Reality May 2024 #38
That is not written correctly or Merchan made a goof and called Stienglass "Mr. Blanche". ???????? mobeau69 May 2024 #4
It seems correct to me. whopis01 May 2024 #25
OK, I see. I assumed he was replying to Steinglass. Thank you. mobeau69 May 2024 #34
Sitting in the jury box for a Slobby trial one has to KNOW that you are going to be a target - I am counting on NoMoreRepugs May 2024 #5
The cowards won't even enter NYC n/t ArkansasDemocrat1 May 2024 #16
Another lawyer kissing trmps ass by making as ass of himself. spanone May 2024 #6
If its well known then why didnt the judge stop him when he SAID it? oldsoftie May 2024 #7
The prosecution objected when Blanche mentioned prison and the judge sustained it Rob H. May 2024 #8
I believe the judge has interjected at other times. oldsoftie May 2024 #14
Blanche purposely put that political term "prison" in the jury's head because he wanted to up the ante ancianita May 2024 #40
Kristy Greenberg worked with Blanche at SDNY LiberalFighter May 2024 #9
We wouldn't expect an ethical lawyer to represent Trump. yardwork May 2024 #11
But, but, but Rudy.... rubbersole May 2024 #15
America's Mayor! Haggard Celine May 2024 #35
+1 dalton99a May 2024 #12
Sounds like an attempt at threatening avebury May 2024 #10
No doubt about it. If he felt he had a good defence he wouldn't have had to risk that move. patphil May 2024 #18
When the facts and law are both against you, pound the table Maeve May 2024 #20
The judge can tell the jury to ignore, but Trump's lawyer achieved his purpose because they can't unhear it.. Lonestarblue May 2024 #13
They didn't need to be reminded - the jury already knew they'd have to think twice. Talitha May 2024 #17
Did you mean jurors? ShazzieB May 2024 #30
My bad - yes, I meant jurors. Talitha May 2024 #32
This is outrageous for any lawyer. slightlv May 2024 #19
Sounds like a threat to me MustLoveBeagles May 2024 #21
Saying the "Jury should think twice" AKwannabe May 2024 #23
Translation. Yep, he is guilty as sin but don't punish him because he always does this shit. twodogsbarking May 2024 #24
That's exactly why he SHOULD be punished. calimary May 2024 #39
But he always does this shit. twodogsbarking May 2024 #41
All the more reason to give him more shit for it. calimary May 2024 #42
I would approve of more shit. Lots more. twodogsbarking May 2024 #43
Blanche repeated exactly what TSF wanted. Wonder what TSF has on Blanche ? Traurigkeit May 2024 #27
Blanche threatened the jury duckworth969 May 2024 #28
Is "berating" all he gets? young_at_heart May 2024 #36

Elessar Zappa

(16,385 posts)
33. What do you expect should be done?
Tue May 28, 2024, 06:00 PM
May 2024

He ordered the jury to disregard it. That’s all he can do.

SWBTATTReg

(26,257 posts)
2. Sounds like a threat to me...
Tue May 28, 2024, 01:29 PM
May 2024

'they should think twice before sending TFG to prison', tRUMP's attorney...

Sure sounds like a threat to me.

Ms. Toad

(38,639 posts)
22. Only taken out of context.
Tue May 28, 2024, 02:49 PM
May 2024

The context is that caution was that they should not (or think twice - it's been reported both ways) send Trump to prision based soley on Cohen's word. (Again - slight variations in how is it stated, but when reported in context Blanche clearly made the suggestion that Cohen's words, alone, should not be the basis for sending Trump to prison.)

Either way - the comment on potential punishments is inappropriate. But out of context, it could sound like a threat; in the context in which it was said, the implication is that Cohen is a liar and there needs to be more proof before sending Trump to prison.

ShazzieB

(22,590 posts)
29. And I take it Blanche is pretending that there is NOT a massive boatload of evidence corroborating Cohen's testimony.
Tue May 28, 2024, 04:20 PM
May 2024

That sucks, but I guess there's not much else he can do at this point.

mobeau69

(12,374 posts)
4. That is not written correctly or Merchan made a goof and called Stienglass "Mr. Blanche". ????????
Tue May 28, 2024, 01:33 PM
May 2024

or there should’ve been a period after outrageous (.) and then “Mr. Blanch, you know as someone…”.

whopis01

(3,919 posts)
25. It seems correct to me.
Tue May 28, 2024, 03:09 PM
May 2024

The judge was directing his comments towards Blanche.

"I think that comment was outrageous, Mr. Blanche" is essentially the same as saying "Mr. Blanche, I think that comment was outrageous". The judge was making it clear that he was talking to Blanche and his outrage was directed at Blanche.



NoMoreRepugs

(12,076 posts)
5. Sitting in the jury box for a Slobby trial one has to KNOW that you are going to be a target - I am counting on
Tue May 28, 2024, 01:34 PM
May 2024

the NEW YORK 'we don't take shit from NOBODY' mentality to hold strong.

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
7. If its well known then why didnt the judge stop him when he SAID it?
Tue May 28, 2024, 01:48 PM
May 2024

He could've told the jury right then that it was improper & why.
Again, the shitshow continues.

Rob H.

(5,851 posts)
8. The prosecution objected when Blanche mentioned prison and the judge sustained it
Tue May 28, 2024, 01:52 PM
May 2024

I'm not sure what other action he could've taken in the moment.

Edit: Are judges allowed to interject directly, or would that be seen as improper? Maybe someone who knows more can chime in.

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
14. I believe the judge has interjected at other times.
Tue May 28, 2024, 02:07 PM
May 2024

But I cant remember why. Maybe it was when the jury was out.

ancianita

(43,307 posts)
40. Blanche purposely put that political term "prison" in the jury's head because he wanted to up the ante
Wed May 29, 2024, 11:44 AM
May 2024

on "reasonable doubt" re finding Trump guilty. It was a political move. Blanche KNEW no prosecutors or defense must EVER speak of sentencing to jurors.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/05/29/why-trump-lawyers-prison-reference-was-so-outrageous/

Judge Merchan DID stop him and sent the jury out and made everyone else stay. Merchan immediately said to Blanche when the jury left:

“You know that making a comment like that is highly inappropriate. It’s simply not allowed,” Judge Merchan told Mr. Blanche outside the presence of the jury.

So when the jury came back, Merchan stated that only HE determines sentencing. That the jury must disregard any statement that would influence their verdict.

Jurors are now in deliberation. I expect the two lawyers on the jury to help them forget Blanche's intentional tactic.



patphil

(9,068 posts)
18. No doubt about it. If he felt he had a good defence he wouldn't have had to risk that move.
Tue May 28, 2024, 02:38 PM
May 2024

I think Todd Blanche should be censured for it. He knew what he was doing, he's defended people in Trump's circle before. This seems like something Roy Cohn would have done.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-lawyer-todd-blanche-draws-judges-ire-historic-trial-gets-underway-2024-04-24/

Lonestarblue

(13,480 posts)
13. The judge can tell the jury to ignore, but Trump's lawyer achieved his purpose because they can't unhear it..
Tue May 28, 2024, 02:05 PM
May 2024

Jurors can’t use it in deliberations, but it’s in their minds. There should be serious penalties for defense lawyers who pull stunts like this.

Talitha

(7,988 posts)
17. They didn't need to be reminded - the jury already knew they'd have to think twice.
Tue May 28, 2024, 02:27 PM
May 2024

Dump's lawyer knew he was out of bounds and I'm sure the jurists are more than capable of mentally bypassing his courtroom theatrics.

ShazzieB

(22,590 posts)
30. Did you mean jurors?
Tue May 28, 2024, 04:24 PM
May 2024

Just checking. Members of the jury are jurors. A jurist is a lawyer or a judge.

slightlv

(7,790 posts)
19. This is outrageous for any lawyer.
Tue May 28, 2024, 02:39 PM
May 2024

If I were the judge, I'd definitely find him in contempt for that statement, and use it as a mark against T's gag order.

There is NO other way to read that lawyer's statement to the jury than as an out and out threat. I'm hopping mad right now and I'm nowhere near the trial! If I'd been a juror, I don't think I could have kept my mouth shut at that point. I'd have addressed the judge right then and there to have the lawyer qualify his statement on pain of jail time for issuing domestic threats. But, that's just me and nobody can get me as hotheaded as Trump can!

AKwannabe

(6,890 posts)
23. Saying the "Jury should think twice"
Tue May 28, 2024, 02:52 PM
May 2024

Comes off as a threat to me!
If I was a juror here I would also be addressing the court in the manner however a juror might be allowed to do. I would absolutely feel threatened by that think twice before sending fat ass to prison.
How dare they, even????

twodogsbarking

(18,785 posts)
24. Translation. Yep, he is guilty as sin but don't punish him because he always does this shit.
Tue May 28, 2024, 03:04 PM
May 2024

calimary

(90,021 posts)
39. That's exactly why he SHOULD be punished.
Wed May 29, 2024, 11:00 AM
May 2024

Cuz he always does this shit.

At some point, there should be consequences for “always doing this shit”.

 

Traurigkeit

(1,290 posts)
27. Blanche repeated exactly what TSF wanted. Wonder what TSF has on Blanche ?
Tue May 28, 2024, 03:43 PM
May 2024

Cause Blanche is going to lose his ability to practice LAW in New York State after all these "accidents" and "mistakes".

Blanche is going to have to repeat Law School.

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