If Trump is convicted, expect a tsunami of stays and injunctions.

[Kablooie]

All of them blocking and delaying any sentencing for Trump.
It will end up in Alito’s court where the shadow docket will declare the verdict null and void.

I have no expectation of a satisfying resolution that brings justice to Trump.
There are always tangled legal knots Trump can throw into the mix to gum up the works.

[North Shore Chicago]

1. Your scenario,

as disheartening as it is, would fail to surprise me even a little bit.

These last few years have me feeling jaded. I need a new tomorrow.

[jimfields33]

35. At worst, he'll stay out of jail during the appeals process

For a white collar crime, I definitely can see that happening.

[underpants]

2. Probably but he still will be a convicted criminal possibly a felon

I’ve posted this several times but for a lot of people the idea of voting for a convicted criminal is too far out of bounds. Think older Reagan Republicans and anyone near the middle.

[gab13by13]

6. TSF has to be a felon or nothing

the statute of limitations has expired for his misdemeanors.

[Mr.WeRP]

13. I heard on MSNBC last night that the defense can ask for the lesser charge

To be included. They haven’t yet, but they could. Not sure how that works with the SoL or if it could.

[LiberalFighter]

19. I believe the statute of limitations has expired for those

And the judge says he can't create new law.

[Ms. Toad]

31. The time for that decision has come and gone.

But generally whether lesser included charges are a possibility is a strategic question based on how strong the case is.

If the defense believes the case is weak, they typically want to exclude lesser included offenses - forcing the jury to convict or acquit. That increases the possibility of acquittal because there is no possibility of a jury compromise : It is either convict or acquit.

Similarly if the defense believes the case is strong, they typically want to include lesser included offenses - giving the jury a compromise option: It's obvious he did something wrong - we're just not sure it was as bad as the prosecution says.

Here, the statute of limitations had expired on the lesser included offenses, which gave the defense all of the cards on this one. They could have chosen to waive the statute of limitations if they wanted lesser offenses included. They apparently refused to do so.

(Formally, that decision is made by the defense objecting to the inclusion of lesser included offenses before the jury retires to deliberate.)

[Raven123]

3. I fully expect delays, but I am not so sure about SCOTUS

He is accused of violating a state law. Wouldn’t TfG have argue the law is unconstitutional? Not sure that would get 5 votes.

[Emile]

4. He would be in violation of state laws, not federal.

[Irish_Dem]

12. The corrupt Supreme Court does not care about the law or precedent.

Their goal is to promote their own diabolical agenda.

[Mr.WeRP]

14. Unlikely SCOTUS could do anything here unless they want to dismantle state criminal code

And as I type that, it wouldn’t shock me for them to try, buy seriously, that would create a new Constitutional crisis for them to start arbitrarily selecting state criminal codes and invalidating them for precisely one person.

[Irish_Dem]

16. This court has shown it is corrupt, and will help Trump in any way it can.

They will break law and precedent to install their ugly agenda on the American people.
And that agenda includes installing Trump into the WH.

[dalton99a]

21. +1. It is beyond doubt - in fact, they brag about it and rub it in our faces every day

The Republican Party - now the Trump Party - practically owns the court and big swaths of the American judiciary system (thanks to Moscow Mitch et al)

[Irish_Dem]

23. Once they get Trump back into the WH, the PutinGOP will have all three branches of government.

And the media.

[Mr.WeRP]

24. I think if they could have helped Trump with a state case...

They would have done it by now. They interjected in the colorado case. I don’t see them realistically being able to do that here. Thousands of people have been convicted on this statute and SCOTUS undoing a jury conviction without cause doesn’t happen. And no, I don’t think they can manufacture cause here.

[Irish_Dem]

25. I find it quite amusing when people tell me what Trump and the GOP can and cannot do.

Then of course then the corrupt and lawless Trump and GOP do exactly what everyone said they couldn't do.

[Mr.WeRP]

26. You aren't wrong in your position

SCOTUS has broken many things for Trump.
I just believe the would have done something here already.
Maybe they believe once convicted they can’t be seen to undo that. After all, the only Pardon power in federal gov’t is given to the President not the court.
Maybe Roberts has a very inconsistent red line?
No body knows. But I do know if the traitors could have done something about this by now, they would have.

[Irish_Dem]

32. The SC knows that timing is everything.

They interfered with the Chutkan trial with just timing and BS alone.

So we do not know what they have up their sleeves.
And when they will pull tricks out of the hat.

Roberts is as crooked as the rest of them.
His wife takes his bribes for him.

[jimfields33]

37. Precedent yes. Law no.

What laws have they broken as a court?

[Irish_Dem]

38. It is against the law for federal employees to accept bribes.

Or to support sedition or treason.

Duh

I believe it is against the law to deny women equal protection under the law.
To deny them healthcare and in doing so legalizing involuntary manslaughter of women experiencing medical emergencies.

[jimfields33]

39. I was talking court cases. Duh.

In fact, I insisted that in my post,

[Irish_Dem]

40. It is 100% certain Alito and Thomas bribes are not for their good looks and personality.

They are being bribed to throw COURT CASES.


SC justices are being bribed by the wealthy who are having cases heard by the SC.
Or cases that represent their agendas.

You have to connect the dots.

[Irish_Dem]

42. The SC broke the law when they overturned Roe.

Denying equal rights to women.

Doctors are not forced to send men experiencing medical emergencies to the parking lot to die.
Doctors are not forced to sit back and watch men die when they could be easily treated.

Men's bodies do not belong to the governor of each state.

[Probatim]

33. They suspended or superseded the FL constitution for Bush v. Gore.

Why wouldn't they do the same for TfG?

[Irish_Dem]

41. Exactly. We know they will do it in a heartbeat.

[Emile]

5. IMO anyone who votes for Trump is a traitor!

The SOB tried to overthrow our government. I know they think the Magic R gives them cover to vote for the dictator again.

[TheRickles]

7. Even if it's appealed, doesn't Judge Merchan have the discretion to place Trump in custody in the meantime?

[gab13by13]

10. I sincerely believe that TSF will not be sentenced to prison.

The most extreme sentence he could get is 4 years in prison. TSF does not have a criminal record.

With that said, it will still be a glorious day when we all can call TSF a "convicted felon."

[Mr.WeRP]

15. I believe he gets some time. And 4 years isn't the max

The judge could give him consecutive sentencing. It isn’t likely by any means, but it could be justified at the extreme.

[rampartc]

28. he won't.

[gab13by13]

8. I am not a legal expert,

I understand that TSF will appeal, but surely to fuck TSF can't stay the judge's sentencing of him?

Regardless, it will still be a glorious day when we all can call TSF a "convicted felon."

Those 2 words should be used forever to describe TSF.

[Ford_Prefect]

9. Alito has no say in this. It is entirely within the NY State Justice system. He will always be a convicted felon.

Age 77 plus 4 years detention (in whatever capacity that occurs) makes Dementia an inescapable sentence. Possibly a terminal one.

Can you imagine Eric, or Jr taking personal care of dear old dad?

[TexasTowelie]

17. That shitty job goes to Barron since he is the only sibling staying at Mar-a-Lago. nt

[Old Crank]

11. It is my thought that once found guilty

he then gets a sentencing hearing. I don't if he can delay that much.
Of course he can appeal the verdict, and will, but he could be jailed pending apeal.
Based on other cases I would see that as a remote posibility.

[Ocelot II]

30. He will not be jailed pending appeal.

This is a white-collar case involving a defendant with no criminal history (at least no official one). He will probably be free on OR pending appeal.

[Buckeyeblue]

18. Might be hard to delay sentencing

But I don't expect a prison sentence if he's convicted. I think there will be a fine and probation.

But he will be a convicted felon. Forever. That's all I care about.

But I suspect we'll get a hung jury. It's difficult to convict celebrities.

[LiberalFighter]

20. The odds of a hung jury on all charges is very slim

There are seven counts involving the revocable trust. Checks involving those counts may have been signed by someone other than Trump.

The other twenty seven counts involve Trump's account. Only he could have signed them.

[bluestarone]

22. Agree here. BUT

If it IS a hung jury, we ALL know it will be because a asshole got through and just doing his MAGA job.

[bigtree]

27. he'll still be a convicted felon in this election.

[Ocelot II]

29. It won't end up at SCOTUS; it's a state law case

and AFAIK he hasn't claimed the NY statute in question is unconstitutional. They could try on appeal, of course; but it's still got to go through several layers of state appellate courts, and even this court doesn't take every single case where somebody claims there's a constitutional problem. There will be no final resolution until after the election regardless.

[SWBTATTReg]

34. And if he choses to appeal these (if convicted), make him pay in advance a significant amount of money

that would act as a surety bond, to ensure that he would show up, pay any penalties, etc. I'm not sure with criminal charges if such a thing were possible. I'm like, like other DU posters, sick and tired of him seemingly able to get away from everything, like what's happened so far w/ his two prior massive judgments? One w/ almost $100 million, and the other almost $500 million or so. I know that he's posted bail/bond for the $100 million judgment in order to appeal, but I have not heard too much about the other one.

[marble falls]

36. Injunctions from what Court? Stays are normal, but they run out just like all his attempts to delay start of the trial..

... ironically those attempts shut the door on most of the appeals hr could be filing after the inevitable guilty verdicts he;s in for, that would conceivably delay for months.